Woman 'gossips' about Kim Jong-il, gets her children starved to death
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[url]http://abcnews.go.com/International/north-korean-prison-camp-atrocities-detailed-report/story?id=22550914[/url]
[quote]A woman who survived one of North Korea's notorious labor camps said her four children and her parents starved to death in a camp after they were all arrested as group punishment because the woman had "gossiped" about the regime's former leader, according to a U.N. report out today.
[B]The woman's testimony was part of a report by the United Nations' Commission of Inquiry on Human Rights, which issued an unusual warning to North Korean leader [URL="http://abcnews.go.com/topics/news/world/kim-jong-un.htm"]Kim Jong-un[/URL] that he could be held accountable for crimes against civilians including abduction, torture and mass starvation[/B].
U.N. experts gathered unprecedented detailed accounts of evidence for almost a year. It includes satellite imagery and interviews with more than 80 witnesses who gave gruesome accounts of secret prison camps, starvation, and even deliberate abortions by forcing pregnant prisoners into harsh labor.
Retired Australian judge Michael Kirby, who is chairing the three person commission, is to formally present the 372-page detailed annex to the U.N. Human Rights Council in Geneva on March 17.
The panel released powerful video testimony from four individuals who have escaped the prison network, including a former prison guard, two women who went to prison camps, and a former army officer.
“These camp survivors and guards give first-person accounts of the horrors for prisoners in North Korea’s worst prison camps – which Pyongyang still denies exist,” said Phil Robertson, deputy Asia director at Human Rights Watch.
In the video, Kim Young-soon said she spent nine years in Yodok prison camp along with her parents and her four children for "gossiping" about an affair her friend had with Kim Jong-il, North Korea's former ruler and the father of the regime's current leader.
“The guilt-by-association system applies to the family members. I may be the culprit, but the other six members of my family are forced to go with me to the prison camp without knowing the charge,” she said.
Kim’s parents, 9-year-old daughter, and three sons - ages 7, 4, and 1 - all died from starvation in the camp, she said.
“It is a place that would make your hair stand on end. No words would help you to understand what this place is like,” she said.
Kim Joo-il, a former military officer, talked on camera about mass starvation of the population and graphic details of the end stage of a person starving to death.
“If you eat food, in less than 10 minutes, you excrete all... You cannot save this person," he said.
Park Ji-hyun told the panel that the reality in North Korea is that people are so hungry they would “eat from dog food and cattle feed left out at other peoples' houses.”[/quote]
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NK is just a fucking mosquito bite on planet earth, I dont say we should nuke it, hell no. But we need to do something drastic to help the people.
[QUOTE=Rankzerox;43959591]NK is just a fucking mosquito bite on planet earth, I dont say we should nuke it, hell no. But we need to do something drastic to help the people.[/QUOTE]
A logical solution to a mosquito bite is to leave it alone and let it heal. Dunno if your analogy fits here.
[QUOTE=Rankzerox;43959591]NK is just a fucking mosquito bite on planet earth, I dont say we should nuke it, hell no. But we need to do something drastic to help the people.[/QUOTE]
Any country that is Nazi-like (i.e. labor camps, family collective guilt, and genocide all of which NK meets) warrants intervention.
I'm really glad the UN is finally doing something about that abysmal country.
[QUOTE=Starpluck;43959663]Any country that is Nazi-like (i.e. labor camps, execution of opposition, and genocide all of which NK meets) warrants intervention.[/QUOTE]
The nazi's did not have nuclear weapons. I know NK has minimal nuclear capabilities at most, but if they manage to use the nukes in any way it would be an international tragedy of much more immense scale than something that has been going on for decades. I hope the UN will be able to defuse this situation without aggravating NK to the point of war, and even though NK seems like more bark than bite, even a dog known for it's bark rather than it's bite will bite the person trying to kill it.
[QUOTE=itisjuly;43959662]A logical solution to a mosquito bite is to leave it alone and let it heal. Dunno if your analogy fits here.[/QUOTE]
You must not have heard of creams that you can use on mosquito bites to make it heal faster, and generally less of a nuisance.
[QUOTE=supersoldier58;43959760]You must not have heard of creams that you can use on mosquito bites to make it heal faster, and generally less of a nuisance.[/QUOTE]
Not worth it for one bite.
[QUOTE=Fourm Shark;43959803]Letting a wound fester only makes it worse.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, but if the wound isn't treated properly, amputation might be necessary.
[QUOTE=lifehole;43959814]Yeah, but if the wound isn't treated properly, amputation might be necessary.[/QUOTE]Good thing earth is not made of flesh.
Why is it that the US can bomb the living fuck out of the middle east, then throw money at it, but wont even fucking MENTION north korea. It's like, world leaders pretend they don't exist.
[QUOTE=lifehole;43959699]The nazi's did not have nuclear weapons. I know NK has minimal nuclear capabilities at most, but if they manage to use the nukes in any way it would be an international tragedy of much more immense scale than something that has been going on for decades. I hope the UN will be able to defuse this situation without aggravating NK to the point of war, and even though NK seems like more bark than bite, even a dog known for it's bark rather than it's bite will bite the person trying to kill it.[/QUOTE]
Kind of irrelevant to his analogy because Nazis wouldn't have used nuclear weapons considering their goal was conquest of viable, livable lands.
[QUOTE=Starpluck;43959663]Any country that is Nazi-like (i.e. labor camps, family collective guilt, and genocide all of which NK meets) warrants intervention.[/QUOTE]
well i think the major problem with removing the regime all at once is how the citizens would react to it, and more importantly if they can function properly in a liberated NK. obviously intervention is super necessary at this point but it's definitely gotta have a more nuanced approach taken to it, and things could go really badly if it isn't handled with the current social and economic state of North Korea kept in mind. the aftermath of the regime's removal would definitely be my biggest concern.
[QUOTE=The golden;43960025]Considering the alternative is torture and death of you and everyone you love I think they will function a hell of a lot better than they are now.
The fact no direct action has been taken is disgusting. We have Nazi-esque death camps on our hands here and nobody seems to give a shit.[/QUOTE]
well that's the thing, it's a society where you're either brainwashed and dependent on the government or constantly in fear of being abducted and tortured to death, all the while you're malnourished, doing manual labor and told not to think about anything other than building guns and tanks. i just think a humanitarian crisis seems inevitable if you [I]just[/I] liberate them without trying to also separate the citizens from the regime afterwards, and that's something that i think needs to be accounted for when you're talking about what kind of intervention should be done.
I remember thinking Un would be better than his father when he first came into the picture.
Imagine the look on my stupid face.
[QUOTE=lifehole;43959814]Yeah, but if the wound isn't treated properly, amputation might be necessary.[/QUOTE]
But then you can get a cool robot arm to make up for it.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;43959909]Kind of irrelevant to his analogy because Nazis wouldn't have used nuclear weapons considering their goal was conquest of viable, livable lands.[/QUOTE]
They wanted to nuke us, but they surrendered before they could pull off a successful test.
[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;43960718]They wanted to nuke us, but they surrendered before they could pull off a successful test.[/QUOTE]
Hah those guys can barely shoot an orange over a garden hedge.
[QUOTE=Boaraes;43959680]I'm really glad the UN is finally doing something about that abysmal country.[/QUOTE]
The UN is useless, they're not going to intervene and they're not going to do anything to stop the regime, all they're doing is writing angry letters and getting other countries to say "wow that's bad" all of which NK couldn't give a fuck about
[QUOTE=Tmaxx;43959844]Why is it that the US can bomb the living fuck out of the middle east, then throw money at it, but wont even fucking MENTION north korea. It's like, world leaders pretend they don't exist.[/QUOTE]
because they dont want to put seoul at risk
[QUOTE=Griffster26;43960384]But then you can get a cool robot arm to make up for it.[/QUOTE]
THAT'S THE ANSWER, REPLACE NORTH KOREA WITH COOL ROBOTS FROM THE FUTURE.
[editline]18th February 2014[/editline]
AND THEYLL HAVE LASERS THAT GO PEW PEW PEW
[QUOTE=Handsome Matt;43960435]Russia and China said on Friday they would oppose any foreign military intervention in North Korea over its recent nuclear test. The two countries' foreign ministers condemned last week's test but said any action against North Korea had to be agreed at the United Nations, where Russia and China have the right of veto as permanent members of the Security Council.[/QUOTE]
Wait they tested one last week? Why haven't I heard.
[QUOTE=Rankzerox;43959591]NK is just a fucking mosquito bite on planet earth, I dont say we should nuke it, hell no. But we need to do something drastic to help the people.[/QUOTE]
Taking malaria medicine to be safe, maybe?
NK is on China's border. Neither China nor Russia want US forces or allies that close if they can help it. A unified Korea is going to be a democratic Western type of government, which is not in China's interest.
That's why we can't drop bombs on them till they comply. Who really gives a crap about what we do in Iraq or Afghanistan? No one, that's why we could do it there.
[QUOTE=Slarav;43960788]Hah those guys can barely shoot an orange over a garden hedge.[/QUOTE]
This is stupid and idk why people keep saying it.
Having short ranged missiles isn't really a problem when your two biggest enemies are close to you (SK and Japan)
HEY! UN! CAN WE ARREST HIM NOW?!
[QUOTE=Tmaxx;43959844]Why is it that the US can bomb the living fuck out of the middle east, then throw money at it, but wont even fucking MENTION north korea. It's like, world leaders pretend they don't exist.[/QUOTE]
Because North Korea has more artillery pieces pointed at a capital city full of civilians than most countries field period. Thousands. They're also fucking nuts. So anything done could potentially seal the fate for Seoul, even in a best cast scenario
Pyongyang and Seoul are only 120 miles apart, too. A fighter could take off from one capital and be over the other's in less than 20 minutes. That's how close they are. It isn't like two countries with a lot of space and geography for protection from one another
NK is basically Airstrip One.
[QUOTE=itisjuly;43959662]A logical solution to a mosquito bite is to leave it alone and let it heal. Dunno if your analogy fits here.[/QUOTE]
Heat up a spoon with hot water and put it on the bite.
[QUOTE=TheTalon;43966507]Because North Korea has more artillery pieces pointed at a capital city full of civilians than most countries field period. Thousands. They're also fucking nuts. So anything done could potentially seal the fate for Seoul, even in a best cast scenario
Pyongyang and Seoul are only 120 miles apart, too. A fighter could take off from one capital and be over the other's in less than 20 minutes. That's how close they are. It isn't like two countries with a lot of space and geography for protection from one another[/QUOTE]Yes, and North Korea is definitely not tank country which would render a good portion of an assault ineffective. Unfortunately for the North Koreans, all they have going for them is home field advantage, terrain, and numbers, they lack in everything else and it's everything else that truly matters except the numbers. They have a huge military, yes, but there's also probably a few million Type 63 rifles (SKS clone) in storage that they'd immediately start arming every fucking person with. Seoul may be the target of a metric fuckton of artillery batteries, but let's be honest here, the architecture of the city is designed around that very fact and there's regular drills that clear the streets in minutes. An artillery attack on the city would cause severe damage, but it wouldn't be the crushing blow the North Koreans would be hoping for. They'd immediately shell the city, but the warning would have already been given to the population and they'd hunker down and take it.
From there it would be a quick series of air sorties to eliminate the immediate threat and start leveling important shit. What little resistance the North Korean air force could muster would be firmly and quickly crushed, and then it would turn into one gigantic clusterfuck of a ground war. War in North Korea wouldn't be easy, but by no means would it be impossible.
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