[b]CONSPIRACY THEORY[/b]
What if the Putin's actually working not against, but with NATO and other alliances. Like, each time the Europe has some peaceful time, Russia steps in and wrecks shit up a bit, ensuring that NATO and other alliances are still needed and properly funded, military budgets are kept and economic ties get re-aligned or strengthened where needed. You know, like that generic "OPFOR" countries use for their military drills and exercises, but in reality.
Saw it somewhere, thought bullshit, but an interesting idea non the less. It gets somewhat thrown around in Russian internet a bit.
[QUOTE=gudman;44235864][b]CONSPIRACY THEORY[/b]
What if the Putin's actually working not against, but with NATO and other alliances. Like, each time the Europe has some peaceful time, Russia steps in and wrecks shit up a bit, ensuring that NATO and other alliances are still needed and properly funded, military budgets are kept and economic ties get re-aligned or strengthened where needed. You know, like that generic "OPFOR" countries use for their military drills and exercises, but in reality.
Saw it somewhere, thought bullshit, but an interesting idea non the less. It gets somewhat thrown around in Russian internet a bit.[/QUOTE]
Sounds like a really far stretch to justify your country's realpolitik. Tell the Russian internet that Putin is doing this because he's Czar and knows nobody in Russia will stop him.
according to [URL="http://www.630wpro.com/common/more.php?m=58&ts=1394804109&article=5F1BFEDCABA711E3B51EFEFDADE6840A&mode=2"]this source[/URL], their foreign minister revealed that Russia has no intentions to invade Eastern Ukraine
thanks Estonia
[QUOTE=Soleeedus;44235942]according to [URL="http://www.630wpro.com/common/more.php?m=58&ts=1394804109&article=5F1BFEDCABA711E3B51EFEFDADE6840A&mode=2"]this source[/URL], their foreign minister revealed that Russia has no intentions to invade Eastern Ukraine[/QUOTE]
Invading anything else would be political suicide.
[QUOTE=deltasquid;44235918]Sounds like a really far stretch to justify your country's realpolitik. Tell the Russian internet that Putin is doing this because he's Czar and knows nobody in Russia will stop him.[/QUOTE]
Well there's no justification in this, but one heavy condemnation more like to be honest. Imagine your country's politicians forfeiting your well-being because other countries need to justify their budgets and general spending. I don't believe in that "theory" (more like, wild speculation), but there's no justification in that at all.
thanks urmas
I hate how the media have not been telling the news on this. I want to know what's going on but unless you search for it you will never know
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;44235955]Invading anything else would be political suicide.[/QUOTE]
I really don't think they're worried about keeping face at this point anyways
[QUOTE=Soleeedus;44235942]according to [URL="http://www.630wpro.com/common/more.php?m=58&ts=1394804109&article=5F1BFEDCABA711E3B51EFEFDADE6840A&mode=2"]this source[/URL], their foreign minister revealed that Russia has no intentions to invade Eastern Ukraine[/QUOTE]
"Russia's foreign minister claims Russia has no intentions to invade Eastern Ukraine".:v:
[QUOTE=gudman;44235864][b]CONSPIRACY THEORY[/b]
What if the Putin's actually working not against, but with NATO and other alliances. Like, each time the Europe has some peaceful time, Russia steps in and wrecks shit up a bit, ensuring that NATO and other alliances are still needed and properly funded, military budgets are kept and economic ties get re-aligned or strengthened where needed. You know, like that generic "OPFOR" countries use for their military drills and exercises, but in reality.
Saw it somewhere, thought bullshit, but an interesting idea non the less. It gets somewhat thrown around in Russian internet a bit.[/QUOTE]
Its definitely bullshit. But what's really going on is that the Russian government doesn't like NATO expanding into the post-Soviet space. Since there is now a pro-Western government in Ukraine they probably deemed in necessary to protect their strategic assets in Crimea (i.e., the base there). Since there is a probability that the new Ukrainian government will seek NATO membership, or at least EU membership.
This has historical evidence for what they want. They want a buffer zone. If you look towards the Georgia conflict you will see evidence of this. Since right before the conflict Georgia was trying real hard to get NATO membership.
[url]http://in.reuters.com/article/2011/11/21/idINIndia-60645720111121[/url]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_(country)%E2%80%93NATO_relations#The_Bucharest_Summit[/url]
[quote]Prime Minister Vladimir Putin allegedly declared at a NATO-Russia summit in 2008 that if Ukraine joined NATO his country could contend to annex the Ukrainian East and Crimea.[/quote]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine-NATO_relations#Russian_resistance_to_Ukrainian_NATO_membership[/url]
[url]http://www3.pravda.com.ua/news/2008/7/3/78290.htm[/url]
Ukraine should really try and join NATO as soon as possible to ensure this shit doesn't happen, who knows if Crimea is as far as the Russians are willing to go to 'protect' russian speakers.
[QUOTE=Kigen;44241548]Its definitely bullshit. But what's really going on is that the Russian government doesn't like NATO expanding into the post-Soviet space. Since there is now a pro-Western government in Ukraine they probably deemed in necessary to protect their strategic assets in Crimea (i.e., the base there). Since there is a probability that the new Ukrainian government will seek NATO membership, or at least EU membership.
This has historical evidence for what they want. They want a buffer zone. If you look towards the Georgia conflict you will see evidence of this. Since right before the conflict Georgia was trying real hard to get NATO membership.
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You see, this sarcastic "theory" is spawned due to terrible logic-defying stupidity on which our government operates in this whole affair.
It is understood that at least one of the reasons for this is to ensure Ukraine doesn't go to EU and stuff, buffer zone being secured and stuff. But the sheer unvillingness of Russian government to use diplomacy instead of costly and overall very unproductive (if not outright counter-productive) military intervention really does defy reason. Ensuring the existence of buffer zone and protecting valuable natural gas routes means extremely little if it means the process of Europe jumping off of our "resource needle" is going to be sped up immensely. Strategically, no matter the outcome, we lose.
This happens every damn time Putin decides to go "geopolitical". That's pretty much the origin of the joke that has been around for quite some time: propaganda tells us about NATO destructive influence, but at the same time what Putin's regime does to Russia goes far beyond the scope of what any kind of NATO spies and "fifth column" could ever hope to achieve. It's not a long road from there to jokingly assume that Putin is in fact NATO spy.
[editline]15th March 2014[/editline]
God feels terrible going this far to explain the joke :v: Seems like I'm as capable into humor as Poland into space.
They're either bullshiting us into fearfull governance(oh look our governants prevented a war, how nice, here:tax me even more so that you can buy shiny new toys to use in case a war really does happen/less protesting because people will be more thankfull for what they have)
Or things are really escalating, with troops in norway,crimea,east russia, armored vehicles in poland, warships&planes in romania and perhaps a bunch more stuff I have no clue of. In wich case both sides better take a step back from a conflict because I don't expect people to be supportive of a war of this amplitude in 2014.
At this point I wouldn't be surprised, if someone told me a few months ago that Russia was gonna try and annex part of Ukraine I would of called them a paranoid idiot.
Ukraine should work on some kind of deal to garrison some EU troops on the border or something as a temporary measure if they haven't tried already.