• Christian group castigates Obama for urging tolerance toward gays
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[url=http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/03/24/christian-group-castigates-obama-for-urging-tolerance-toward-gays/]Raw Story[/url] [img]http://www.rawstory.com/rs//wp-content/uploads/2011/03/frcobamaintolerance2.jpg[/img] [release]A right-leaning Christian group is outraged that that an Obama administration joint statement with the United Nations opposes the criminalization of homosexuality. The Family Rights Council (FRC) has taken to calling the resolution "Operation International Tolerance." "While American forces bomb away at Libya, the Obama administration is launching another global offensive: Operation International Tolerance," a FRC report said. "As he looks on from South America, the President put troops on the ground today for a meeting of the U.N.'s Human Rights Council, where his diplomats plan to strong-arm other countries into embracing homosexuality." "In a major U-turn from the Bush years, the Obama administration is actually initiating an 'anti-discrimination' resolution to force acceptance of the world's gays and lesbians." "Obviously, FRC believes that homosexuals and transgenders shouldn't be subjected to violence," the conservative group added. "No binding document of international law has ever recognized a universal 'human right' to engage in sex with a person of the same gender." "Our global neighbors have the freedom to believe that homosexuality is wrong--just as they have the freedom to legislate against any behavior they think is harmful to society," FRC continued. "FRC's condemnation of the resolution underlines the organization's basic hypocrisy," the blog Pam's House Blend noted. "Nowhere in it does FRC give a clear indication of just what the resolution says. It doesn't even provide a link to the policy and I think this is intentional." While the joint resolution would not have the force of law, it does decry persecution based on sexual orientation and gender identity. "We express concern at continued evidence in every region of acts of violence and related human rights violations based on sexual orientation and gender identity brought to the Council’s attention by Special Procedures since that time, including killings, rape, torture and criminal sanctions," the resolution (.pdf) said. "FRC's duplicity is astounding. The organization claims that it opposes violence against lgbts but it actually supports countries which would subject the lgbt community to violent persecution," writer Alvin McEwen opined. Last July, the International Gay and Lesbian Human Rights Commission won accreditation from the U.N.'s Economic and Social Council, in spite of the opposition of two prominent Republicans. Reps. Chris Smith (R-NJ) and Trent Franks (R-AZ) wrote a letter urging countries that opposed the accreditation to vote against the application. In many of those countries, such as Egypt, Angola, Burundi, Pakistan, Qatar and Sudan, "LGBT people can be jailed, fined, whipped or killed if they are caught by authorities," according to Talking Points Memo.[/release] If they are trying to discredit Obama maybe they shouldn't call his initiative [i]Operation International Tolerance[/i].
Ha! What a [I]joooooke[/I]! "In a major U-turn from the Bush years, the Obama administration is actually initiating an 'anti-discrimination' resolution to force acceptance of the world's gays and lesbians." OMG LOL! HES ACTUALLY DOING SOMETHING USEFUL AND PRODUCTIVE! FUKCING TYRANNICAL! They say it like it's a good thing, despite opposing it. Make up your mind "Obviously, FRC believes that homosexuals and transgenders shouldn't be subjected to violence," the conservative group added. "No binding document of international law has ever recognized a universal 'human right' to engage in sex with a person of the same gender." Ok? Why isn't it my right to stick my pee pee in my boyfriends anus? Why do you care? "Our global neighbors have the freedom to believe that homosexuality is wrong--just as they have the freedom to legislate against any behavior they think is harmful to society," FRC continued. Again, why should THEY care? They can oppose it, but really, who does this harm? How about we start expressing our right to believe that FRC is a ludicrous troll. "FRC's condemnation of the resolution underlines the organization's basic hypocrisy," the blog Pam's House Blend noted. "Nowhere in it does FRC give a clear indication of just what the resolution says. It doesn't even provide a link to the policy and I think this is intentional." K. "FRC's duplicity is astounding. The organization claims that it opposes violence against lgbts but it actually supports countries which would subject the lgbt community to violent persecution," writer Alvin McEwen opined. F R C Fucking Retarded Cuntbags
The thing is, though, tolerance is a monstrous ungodly thing to these people. The fact that worthless assholes like these are in positions of influence is just wrong.
Seriously?
It is ironic because many parts of The Bible tells you to be tolerant of others. Unless they are having sex with a dog, it tell you to kill them if they are doing that.
People need to get off of their damned high chairs and realize that they are not "Better" than anyone else on this planet This isn't the 1800's
oh my god says gays should be killed, kinda droped the ball on this one obama by the way i live in ohio which is full of fundi Christians so i hear this every day "obama trying to destroy amerikaaaa *grumbles*"
Oh no. Conspiracy theorists are spreading conspiracy theories. Someone get help. This is terrible.
fuck the FRC
[QUOTE=Xen Tricks;28793589]The thing is, though, tolerance is a monstrous ungodly thing to these people. The fact that worthless assholes like these are in positions of influence is just wrong.[/QUOTE] uh im christian and i could give less a shit if gays marry.
[QUOTE=Xen Tricks;28793589]The thing is, though, tolerance is a monstrous ungodly thing to these people. The fact that worthless assholes like these are in positions of influence is just wrong.[/QUOTE] I bet if you insulted them they would be "Now you're just being intolerant! Thats not fair!"
[QUOTE=Wii60;28793828]uh im christian and i could give less a shit if gays marry.[/QUOTE] Hopefully he just meant fundies otherwise here comes the FP Atheist :bandwagon:
[QUOTE=Wii60;28793828]uh im christian and i could give less a shit if gays marry.[/QUOTE] Ok good for you? I realize that all christians aren't like the FRC and AFA, but quite a few are, seeing as how groups like Focus on the Family wield so much influence. [QUOTE=Hesychasmos;28793859]Hopefully he just meant fundies otherwise here comes the FP Atheist :bandwagon:[/QUOTE] I hate this mischaracterization, the majority of atheists on here aren't some frothing hatepot that want all religion/religious people to die, and the ones that are get called out by the rest of us.
[QUOTE=apurplerock;28793637]People need to get off of their damned high chairs and realize that they are not "Better" than anyone else on this planet This isn't the 1800's[/QUOTE] I'm better than that bitch, Bauchman :/
[QUOTE=Hesychasmos;28793859]Hopefully he just meant fundies otherwise here comes the FP Atheist :bandwagon:[/QUOTE] Athiesm is not a bandwagon.
It's operation international tolerance(of homophobia) Like Academic Freedom(to force kids to learn creationism) laws.
[QUOTE=Xen Tricks;28793875]I hate this mischaracterization, the majority of atheists on here aren't some frothing hatepot that want all religion/religious people to die, and the ones that are get called out by the rest of us.[/QUOTE] I agree, fundamentalist Christians are awful and radical atheists are just as bad The way you worded your first post made it sound like you were generalizing, but I now see it was directed at the group in the article (sorry)
[QUOTE=Hesychasmos;28794017]I agree, fundamentalist Christians are awful and radical atheists are just as bad The way you worded your first post made it sound like you were generalizing, but I now see it was directed at the group in the article (sorry)[/QUOTE] You rate me dumb, so do tell me how Athiesm is a bandwagon.
[QUOTE=Hesychasmos;28794017]I agree, fundamentalist Christians are awful and radical atheists are just as bad The way you worded your first post made it sound like you were generalizing, but I now see it was directed at the group in the article (sorry)[/QUOTE] That... wasn't really my point. Yea they're pretty shitty, but there's many less than you make their out to be and you characterize people that way when they're really not. Also answer the guy, atheism isn't a bandwagon.
im semi new to FP is there alot of religious debate on here
[quote]In many of those countries, such as Egypt, Angola, Burundi, Pakistan, Qatar and Sudan, LGBT people can be... whipped[/quote] Yes hello travel agency I need the next available flight please
[QUOTE=SeverePapercut;28794131]im semi new to FP is there alot of religious debate on here[/QUOTE] It depends on the topic at hand. If it has to do with religion, chances are you'll find religion debates.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;28793954]Athiesm is not a bandwagon.[/QUOTE] Which is a fallacious argument. We can say that a large portion of Atheists are not bandwagoners, but it is easy to say that like with anything, a good portion of Atheists are. We can also say that a large portion of Theists are not bandwagoners, but a good portion are. A lot of this is based on location and culture. In a town where most everybody is theist/atheist, you are more likely to find that many of them are that way because everyone else is. I can anticipate a "atheism can't be a bandwagon because it is based on reason" type argument, and I'm not at all convinced that most atheists are convinced by reason as so many of them seem to associate science, religion, and other unrelated topics. Also, I think you need some sort of disconnect from that type of rational. "My group doesn't have that flaw because my group is based on reason". I believe that is a type fallacy, I forget the name. Yes, religion is very related to theism, but religion is not required to believe in one or more gods. Disproving one or all religions doesn't not disprove the existence of god or gods. I'm not trying to say theism is correct or the opposite. What I am saying is that you have to have a realistic opinion of your side. Yes, many people don't believe in God for rational reasons, but there are many people who don't believe in a God for irrational reasons. They may: be anti-religious, believe that God wouldn't let people suffer therefore there is no God, be affected by peer pressure and social situation, may be persuaded by an irrelevant argument, may simply just lose belief because of a lack of evidence such as prayers never being answered, believe that a belief in a God is hindering science, and many more reasons.
I'm a christian myself, but this is ridiculous, gay people are people too, i dont see why we shouldn't accept them.
[QUOTE=jwk94;28794972]I'm a christian myself, but this is ridiculous, gay people are people too, i dont see why we shouldn't accept them.[/QUOTE] I believe it says not to accept them in the bible. If you're a Christian, you should know it is god's word.
[QUOTE=Pepin;28794911]Which is a fallacious argument. We can say that a large portion of Atheists are not bandwagoners, but it is easy to say that like with anything, a good portion of Atheists are. We can also say that a large portion of Theists are not bandwagoners, but a good portion are. A lot of this is based on location and culture. In a town where most everybody is theist/atheist, you are more likely to find that many of them are that way because everyone else is. I can anticipate a "atheism can't be a bandwagon because it is based on reason" type argument, and I'm not at all convinced that most atheists are convinced by reason as so many of them seem to associate science, religion, and other unrelated topics. Also, I think you need some sort of disconnect from that type of rational. "My group doesn't have that flaw because my group is based on reason". I believe that is a type fallacy, I forget the name. Yes, religion is very related to theism, but religion is not required to believe in one or more gods. Disproving one or all religions doesn't not disprove the existence of god or gods. I'm not trying to say theism is correct or the opposite. What I am saying is that you have to have a realistic opinion of your side. Yes, many people don't believe in God for rational reasons, but there are many people who don't believe in a God for irrational reasons. They may: be anti-religious, believe that God wouldn't let people suffer therefore there is no God, be affected by peer pressure and social situation, may be persuaded by an irrelevant argument, may simply just lose belief because of a lack of evidence such as prayers never being answered, believe that a belief in a God is hindering science, and many more reasons.[/QUOTE] Wow, that was all over the place. Pretty much all of what you said was irrelevant, the bandwagon thing was about people being atheists for the sake of being cool or some stupid shit, not... all of that. I don't think anyone here would say that every single atheist is rational.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;28795021]I believe it says not to accept them in the bible. If you're a Christian, you should know it is god's word.[/QUOTE] ho ho ho here we go this is going to be fun
According to that bloke in General Discussion gays don't exist so I don't see the problem
i don't believe in gays gays are fictional beings created by the atheists to overthrow god
[QUOTE=Diet Kane;28795276]ho ho ho here we go this is going to be fun[/QUOTE] What?
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