• Tories hold off UKIP challenge to win Newark by-election
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[img]http://imgkk.com/i/mxmg.png[/img] [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27711254[/url] [quote]The Conservative Party have won the Newark by-election, retaining the seat with a majority of more than 7,000. Candidate Robert Jenrick polled 17,431 votes, beating UKIP's Roger Helmer, who finished second with 10,028 votes. Labour's Michael Payne came third with 6,842 votes but it was a disastrous result for the Lib Dems, who were beaten into sixth place. Candidate David Watts finished behind an Independent and the Green Party, losing his deposit in the process.[/quote] A mixed result for UKIP. Few realistically expected them to win and second-place should be good enough to avoid claims that the 'UKIP bubble has burst', but Farage wanted them to cut the Tory majority down to about 1,500 and it's ended up at more than four times that. On the flipside the Tories expected quite a close result but they've done quite well so they'll be feeling reassured. This is the worst Liberal/LD by-election result since World War II according to John Curtice.
Better the tories than UKIP, I guess.
quite a good result but sadly not enough, hopefully UKIP will push even harder
[QUOTE=krakadict;45026198]quite a good result but sadly not enough, hopefully UKIP will push even harder[/QUOTE] :suicide:
[QUOTE=krakadict;45026198]quite a good result but sadly not enough, hopefully UKIP will push even harder[/QUOTE] For fuck's sake people like you are ruining the country. Take a look at their actual policies rather than their anti-eu rhetoric and you'll find out that this is one of the worst possible political parties you could vote for. You also knowingly post this shit in every UKIP thread because you know it'll cause a shitstorm and you enjoy being the center of attention.
Am I the only one who wanted The Monster Raving Looney Party to win? Or am I just old fashioned for thinking that moats need piranhas...
Yep, better Tories than UKIP any day. Had a look at this Roger Helmer the other day, and this is the kind of thing you could easily get when you just vote UKIP and don't look into your candidate. On rape: [quote]in the second case the victim surely shares a part of the responsibility, if only for establishing reasonable expectations in her boyfriend’s mind[/quote] On gay marriage: [quote]He furthermore commented that "once you start to tamper with the institution of marriage, you get into some very murky water indeed", and that such a move could set a precedent that would lead to the legalisation of communal marriage and incest[/quote] On [url=http://www.theguardian.com/environment/blog/2010/dec/08/conservative-mep-climate-sceptic-posters]climate change[/url]: [quote]'Green' climate policies: probably unnecessary[/quote] [quote]In April 2004, whilst a Conservative MEP, Helmer was criticised by Friends of the Earth for his voting record on environmental issues, voting in what they claimed was an environmentally friendly manner in only one out of ten possible "eco-friendly" votes[/quote] [quote]Helmer was attacked by academics from the University of Derby and the University of Northampton for being “out of step with the overwhelming scientific evidence on the subject of human induced climate change”[/quote] On universal health care: [quote]Helmer supported his fellow MEP Daniel Hannan's criticism of the NHS -described as a "60 year mistake"[/quote]
The Lib-Dems getting beaten by the Greens in a Tory safe seat does not bode well for them at all.
[QUOTE=MegaJohnny;45027829]Yep, better Tories than UKIP any day. Had a look at this Roger Helmer the other day, and this is the kind of thing you could easily get when you just vote UKIP and don't look into your candidate. [I]Helmer quotes[/I][/QUOTE] Are the UKIP supporters in this thread for real? Just rate any anti ukip post dumb even though they're 100% true. This Helmer guy is a class a bellend. It's really scary just how well the UKIP PR machine works. [editline]8th June 2014[/editline] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgdQh4qMAU4[/media]
[QUOTE=MegaJohnny;45027829]Yep, better Tories than UKIP any day. Had a look at this Roger Helmer the other day, and this is the kind of thing you could easily get when you just vote UKIP and don't look into your candidate. On rape: On gay marriage: On [url=http://www.theguardian.com/environment/blog/2010/dec/08/conservative-mep-climate-sceptic-posters]climate change[/url]: On universal health care:[/QUOTE] Roger Helmer was a Conservative politician when he said all that shit, and only defected in 2012 - what was that about Tories over UKIP? Quite interesting to see how a -8% change in Conservative vote and a +22% change in UKIP vote can be seen as a huge victory, a very safe Conservative seat has seen the majority drop by a half..
I don't think we should post country specific political news unless they are really really interesting andor big. Would you like it if I started posting stuff from my countries???
[QUOTE=butt2089;45033622]Roger Helmer was a Conservative politician when he said all that shit, and only defected in 2012 - what was that about Tories over UKIP? Quite interesting to see how a -8% change in Conservative vote and a +22% change in UKIP vote can be seen as a huge victory, a very safe Conservative seat has seen the majority drop by a half..[/QUOTE] The Wiki page says he was getting disillusioned with Tory attitudes. Sounds to me like the Tories weren't extreme enough for his tastes.
I've found that most of the people I have talked with that voted UKIP didn't actually look in to them at all, just saw some of their policies on immigration and dived at them like a dog after a bone. Can't believe that people actually buy the whole "THEY TOOK OUR JOBS" shit.
[QUOTE=CrumbleShake;45026113]Better the tories than UKIP, I guess.[/QUOTE] Back in 2002 in the French presidential elections the FN (French equivalent of the UKIP, basically) somehow managed to make their way to second ballot of the elections, mostly due to people not voting. People got so piss scared that they all voted for the opposing party, which got a whopping 80% majority at the elections, effectively kicking FN's sorry ass out of the way for the full decade.
[QUOTE=butt2089;45033622]Roger Helmer was a Conservative politician when he said all that shit, and only defected in 2012 - what was that about Tories over UKIP?[/QUOTE] But he's not in the conservative party anymore. He's in UKIP and is a prominent member. His controversial views aren't reflected in the Conservative consensus (gay marriage was first legalized and we signed the Maastricht treaty under the Tories), but a lot of them are in UKIP's and are the general consensus within UKIP when you look beyond the anti-EU and anti-immigration facade. As an MP, you have to mostly stick to your party's manifesto when you vote in parliament because of party discipline/loyalty. That's why it's less scary to have an asshole under the tory banner than the same asshole under the UKIP banner. Plus, he was never an MP under the conservatives so he never had any kind of say in parliament. He was only ever an MEP. Don't get me wrong I fucking hate the conservatives, but not nearly as much as UKIP. Everything bad the tories want to do, UKIP wants to do too. (scrap the human rights act, privatisation of public services, deregulate massive corporations, etc.) only UKIP want to do some other stuff as well that's way way worse. [editline]8th June 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Ganerumo;45033717]Back in 2002 in the French presidential elections the FN (French equivalent of the UKIP, basically) somehow managed to make their way to second ballot of the elections, mostly due to people not voting. People got so piss scared that they all voted for the opposing party, which got a whopping 80% majority at the elections, effectively kicking FN's sorry ass out of the way for the full decade.[/QUOTE] That kind of makes me feel better, actually, I'd never heard that before. I'm pretty horrified about the future of politics in this country. [editline]8th June 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=DeeCeeTeeBee;45033684]I've found that most of the people I have talked with that voted UKIP didn't actually look in to them at all, just saw some of their policies on immigration and dived at them like a dog after a bone. Can't believe that people actually buy the whole "THEY TOOK OUR JOBS" shit.[/QUOTE] A lot of people I've spoken to have said something totally different. They think UKIP is the only alternative to the three parties with any chance and that's literally the only reason they vote for them.
It looks like Clegg is going down with his Ship. Frankly they deserve it at least.
this is the fucking AvP of politics whoever wins, britain gets fucked
[QUOTE=w00tf1zh;45033650]I don't think we should post country specific political news unless they are really really interesting andor big. Would you like it if I started posting stuff from my countries???[/QUOTE] This is a British forum. Most of the news stories relate to Britain or America.
[QUOTE=w00tf1zh;45033650]I don't think we should post country specific political news unless they are really really interesting andor big. [b]Would you like it if I started posting stuff from my countries???[/b][/QUOTE] Uh... yeah. I mean, we're an international forum and stuff like this is interesting news. In fact the more diverse our news the better, I reckon.
[QUOTE=w00tf1zh;45033650]I don't think we should post country specific political news unless they are really really interesting andor big. Would you like it if I started posting stuff from my countries???[/QUOTE] If you have some interesting Swedish news, by all means post it.
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