• Conservative anti-Trudeau attack ads make Canadians more likely to vote Liberal
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[QUOTE]Canadians who say Conservative attack ads against Liberal Leader Justin Trudeau increase their desire to vote Liberal more than double those who say the ads inspire them to vote for the Conservatives, a new poll suggests. One half of the randomly selected Canadian adults who took part in a Forum Research poll earlier this month said they had seen the television ad in which Mr. Trudeau is filmed while taking off his shirt at a fundraiser and a voiceover says “he’s in over his head.” A little more than a third said they had seen another ad that the Liberals put out in response in which Mr. Trudeau sits on a schoolroom desk and says “together we will build a better country.” Just under a half of those polled had seen the anti-Trudeau ad, and half of those said it will make them more likely to vote Liberal. That compares with the 19 per cent who said it makes them more likely to vote Conservative. Even among Conservative supporters, one in 10 who had seen the ad said it makes them more likely to vote Liberal. On the other hand, half of respondents who had seen the pro-Trudeau ad said it made them more likely to vote Liberal while 20 per cent said it will prompt them to vote Conservative and 15 per cent said it will push them towards the NDP. Most people instinctively say they dislike negative advertising. And an aversion to an ad does not necessarily translate to the ballot box. That’s because the ads work on both the conscious and sub-conscious levels and are intended to create doubts about their target over the long term. But Lorne Bozinoff, the president of Forum Research, said these ads seem to have been less effective than their predecessors – possibly because Canadians know that previous Liberal leaders were taken down the same way and were expecting this round of advertising against Mr. Trudeau. “People kind of knew what the playbook was,” said Dr. Bozinoff. “I don’t know if advertising can work when everyone looks at the playbook.” [/QUOTE] [url]http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/anti-trudeau-ads-made-viewers-more-likely-to-vote-liberal-poll/article12097984/?cmpid=rss1[/url]
Unsurprising development of the day, chaps!
I really hope Trudeau wins in the next election, or at least Harper doesn't
[QUOTE=Liem;40758780]I really hope Trudeau wins in the next election, or at least Harper doesn't[/QUOTE] Harper is a dink he officially changed the governments name from "The Government of Canada" to "The Harper Government"
[QUOTE=Liem;40758780]I really hope Trudeau wins in the next election, or at least Harper doesn't[/QUOTE] I'm hoping for NDP and will be voting them. Fuck both libs and cons. They're blunderers at best.
Stupid ads make people vote the other side? No shit. Look at Rick Perry and his "You know somethings wrong when gays can serve in the armed forces" ad. Literally cost him the race.
[QUOTE=Liem;40758780]I really hope Trudeau wins in the next election, or at least Harper doesn't[/QUOTE] Trudeau winning would be terribad. He really is in over his head. He is just riding on the recognition of his name cause of daddy and trying to win a popularity contest by saying big things and taking his shirt off.
[QUOTE=Aman;40758803]Trudeau winning would be terribad. He really is in over his head. He is just riding on the recognition of his name cause of daddy and trying to win a popularity contest by saying big things and taking his shirt off.[/QUOTE] I'm not sure, I personally like Trudeau, I would have much prefered Layton though.
[QUOTE=Liem;40758819]I'm not sure, I personally like Trudeau, I would have much prefered Layton though.[/QUOTE] RIP-the only candidate I ever really liked
All Conservative advertisments make Canadians more Liberal.
Canadian politics is such a joke right now. There's no one of value to elect, if there was, he'd get slandered to shit with horrible hate ads because we literally don't have positive political ads
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;40759010]Canadian politics is such a joke right now. There's no one of value to elect, if there was, he'd get slandered to shit with horrible hate ads because we literally don't have positive political ads[/QUOTE] The new Trudeau has potential but the common accusations of elitism will probably hit him too much. Bob isn't that appealing and Harper is Harper. If only we had somebody like Layton.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;40759028]The new Trudeau has potential but the common accusations of elitism will probably hit him too much. Bob isn't that appealing and Harper is Harper. If only we had somebody like Layton.[/QUOTE] It's going to be another 5 years of Harper. There's no way out of this right now. Anyone who knows Trudeau will know that he's not his father, and doesn't have that kind of character. The NDP doesn't have Layton anymore and as the only really identifiable and agreeable voice of a mediocre party they have no chance to get in. They will only split the vote again. Between the two parties well see a pretty strong split again, and as Canada slides further back into aggressive conservative politics, we'll see a pretty strong showing from hard line conservatives and party voters who somehow still side with Harper that there's really not alternative due to the structure of our voting system. Fucking dispicable that he got elected once, let alone twice. Now we're going to see a third election go this asshat of a leader. We'll be dealing with his policies well into the next decade.
[QUOTE=The golden;40759288]Vote splitting is disgusting and a slap to the face of representative democracy. It results in Canada being governed by a party which the [B]MAJORITY[/B] did not vote for. This is happening right now. Canada is currently being governed by a party that the majority of Canada did not vote for.[/QUOTE] As opposed to voting between two equally shitty parties like in the US? Also, [B]there hasn't been a popular majority since 1984[/B], and the last popular Liberal majority was the '40s. We are almost ALWAYS governed by a party the majority of Canada didn't vote for, even Pierre Trudeau never won the popular vote. The only reason vote splitting happens the way it does now is because there's only 1 viable right-wing party, if there were more than 1 right-wing party, then the vote would be split on both sides, and due to that kind of split, the opposing viewpoints could lose parliament but across their parties have the most seats between the two, and we'd be in a state of near perpetual election. But honestly, the last 3 popular majorities were in the '80s, the '50s, and the '40s, almost every majority is an unpopular one, this isn't some kind of anomaly and it's not exclusive to Harper; Chretien never got popular vote, Trudeau never got popular vote, but both had majorities. The last 3 popular majorities were Mulroney in '84, Deifenbaker in '58, and Mackenzie-King in '40. Every other government in between and since has had less than 50% of the vote. Vote splitting doesn't cause an unpopular majority, the First-Past-The-Post electoral system does.
Harper is a piece of shit. I'd rather have a jar of piss for Prime Minister.
It always astounds me that Harper has the gall to run attack ads when no election is underway. It is one of the reasons I no longer own a TV. Although saying that, it really is a subset and very minor gripe of my general dislike for commercials in the first place.
I'm not at all surprised by this. I would never have voted for Harper anyway but the fact that he's running attack ads when there's no election is pretty pathetic. Not to mention that it's just a waste of money but wasting money seems to be what Harper is best at. It's terrible that we lost Layton.
He's running attack ads 2 years before the actual election, hell he ran them before he even became a candidate. What the fuck does he expect?
That's what happens when your party attacks a rival party's leader for attending a charity fundraiser, while embroiled in a couple huge scandals of your own
i love that all they could get on him was that he was a camp supervisor the fucking ad played like a parody, the conservative party is such a clown show nowadays
[QUOTE=Liem;40758780]I really hope Trudeau wins in the next election, or at least Harper doesn't[/QUOTE] Look up how Trudeau voted in the house past and present, as well as the number of retarded things that have spewed forth from his mouth. I'm not sure he'd be a better option (and I'm completely ignoring the fact that the Liberal party's history of scandal is at least as colorful as the Conservatives' when I say this) [QUOTE=The golden;40759288]Vote splitting is disgusting and a slap to the face of representative democracy. It results in Canada being governed by a party which the [B]MAJORITY[/B] did not vote for. This is happening right now. Canada is currently being governed by a party that the majority of Canada did not vote for.[/QUOTE] Chretien doesn't get popular vote for his majority, nobody says anything. Harper doesn't get popular vote for his majority, commence butthurt. Makes perfect sense. [QUOTE=DaCommie1;40759447]As opposed to voting between two equally shitty parties like in the US? Also, [B]there hasn't been a popular majority since 1984[/B], and the last popular Liberal majority was the '40s. We are almost ALWAYS governed by a party the majority of Canada didn't vote for, even Pierre Trudeau never won the popular vote. The only reason vote splitting happens the way it does now is because there's only 1 viable right-wing party, if there were more than 1 right-wing party, then the vote would be split on both sides, and due to that kind of split, the opposing viewpoints could lose parliament but across their parties have the most seats between the two, and we'd be in a state of near perpetual election. But honestly, the last 3 popular majorities were in the '80s, the '50s, and the '40s, almost every majority is an unpopular one, this isn't some kind of anomaly and it's not exclusive to Harper; Chretien never got popular vote, Trudeau never got popular vote, but both had majorities. The last 3 popular majorities were Mulroney in '84, Deifenbaker in '58, and Mackenzie-King in '40. Every other government in between and since has had less than 50% of the vote. [B]Vote splitting doesn't cause an unpopular majority, the First-Past-The-Post electoral system does.[/B][/QUOTE] Great post. Also bolded the most important part of this. You guys do realize that First-Past-The-Post is complete garbage right? Sweden, for example, has a system where in addition to candidates being directly elected by the local population, the country-wide popular vote is also taken into account and extra seats are set aside so that a party that gets 40% of the vote should get approximately 40% of the seats. Read up on it before you retards rate DaCommie dumb, he is absolutely correct. As for these attack ads, I doubt even Conservative voters like them. Just about everyone I've talked to considers them dumb, but then people don't like attack ads anyway. Or at least they claim to, but they remain effective at slanting election results to this day.
This wouldn't have happened if it wasnt for Pierre Poutine.
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;40759447]As opposed to voting between two equally shitty parties like in the US? Also, [B]there hasn't been a popular majority since 1984[/B], and the last popular Liberal majority was the '40s. We are almost ALWAYS governed by a party the majority of Canada didn't vote for, even Pierre Trudeau never won the popular vote. The only reason vote splitting happens the way it does now is because there's only 1 viable right-wing party, if there were more than 1 right-wing party, then the vote would be split on both sides, and due to that kind of split, the opposing viewpoints could lose parliament but across their parties have the most seats between the two, and we'd be in a state of near perpetual election. But honestly, the last 3 popular majorities were in the '80s, the '50s, and the '40s, almost every majority is an unpopular one, this isn't some kind of anomaly and it's not exclusive to Harper; Chretien never got popular vote, Trudeau never got popular vote, but both had majorities. The last 3 popular majorities were Mulroney in '84, Deifenbaker in '58, and Mackenzie-King in '40. Every other government in between and since has had less than 50% of the vote. Vote splitting doesn't cause an unpopular majority, the First-Past-The-Post electoral system does.[/QUOTE] I don't disagree. I do wonder how another Conservative party would really survive in this country, so I'm not sure that even could be a solution.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;40760358]I don't disagree. I do wonder how another Conservative party would really survive in this country, so I'm not sure that even could be a solution.[/QUOTE] Some on the right who are disappointed with the Tories are mulling over supporting the seemingly new Libertarian party, who claims to support extremely small government and the expansion and retention of civil liberties and freedoms. Realistically, though, they're not likely to be any better, and will have their own severe ideological issues if they ever become a viable option.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;40759010]Canadian politics is such a joke right now. There's no one of value to elect, if there was, he'd get slandered to shit with horrible hate ads because we literally don't have positive political ads[/QUOTE] are you saying you took canadian politics seriously before?
So politics are the EXACT same as the US. Great...
Canada's political climate is really fucked right now, on all levels. Federally, we have this stuff happening where there really isn't one party (and leader) that is appealing enough to vote for. Harper's a doof and a lot of people are expressing distaste in five more years of him; Trudeau has some chance, but people discredit him because of his father (and that he doesn't have that same spark Pierre had); Tom Mulcair just isn't as powerful a leader of the NDP as Jack (Layton) was, so it's doubtful he can pull some magic out for the election; and Elizabeth May is, well, Elizabeth May. Provincially, there is or was some drama out west, with Christy Clark's government (though she just won a majority in the recent vote), as well as some stuff with Redford. In Ontario, Wynne just took the reins from Dirty Dalton (in which he handed her the whole power plant closure mess which is fucking her over) and it's dramatic up in Queen's Park. For Quebec, I know that Marois is having some trouble because her soverigntist party is in a minority and is facing a bit of revolt over those iffy policies she wants to enact. The maritimes and territories seem good though. Municipally, lots of laughs to be had. Rob Ford in Toronto is in a mess of his own shit, cocaine and fired assistants. Look it up if you're confused. In Quebec, the Charbonneau Commission has resulted in a bunch of mayors (old mayor of Montreal, Laval, and others I believe) to either resign or dirty their reputation because of the massive corruption scandals that are being brought to light. At least us Canadians can trust that there's one politician who we can count on: [img]http://www.mississauga.ca/file/COM/Mayor_McCallion_2008.jpg[/img]
God save The Queen. Meh, I was heavily swayed by the Liberal negative advertisement in BC; ended up voting liberal due to the better written Liberal platform. My riding has been conservative (60%+) for the past 4 elections, with a NDP runner up with only 20%. :(
[QUOTE=Angus725;40761775]God save The Queen. Meh, I was heavily swayed by the Liberal negative advertisement in BC; ended up voting liberal due to the better written Liberal platform. My riding has been conservative (60%+) for the past 4 elections, with a NDP runner up with only 20%. :([/QUOTE] I basically discredit Clark because she is an asshole in debates, talks over people because she somehow thinks it will make her shortcomings disappear and is pro-prohibition. They also forced the BC public to take matters into our own hands and force a referendum on the HST tax, because they bypassed democracy to put their HST plan into action. That is why, just last month we switched back to PST/GST. The liberal jobs plan is also total garbage, because they're spending B.C. tax payers dollars on training people to work in the trades, when our province has uncompetitive wages in comparison to our neighbours, such as Alberta. So all the trades workers leave our province for Alberta and we are still left with unfilled demand, and some of the training money gone to waste. I'm surprised the Liberal's won because of their constant policy of attacking rather than selling themselves. Plus polls were showing that the NDP had a slight edge over liberals.
Liberals are going to win the next election because they got Trudeau and that the conservatives are beyond awful.
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