• US Senate votes 97-2 to put Russia sanctions into law
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[url]http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/337806-russia-sanctions-deal-clears-key-senate-hurdle[/url] [quote]The Senate easily voted Wednesday to advance a bipartisan agreement to slap new financial penalties on Russia and let Congress weigh in before President Trump can lift sanctions. Senators voted 97-2 to attach the deal to an Iran sanctions bill currently being debated on the Senate floor. Republican Sens. Rand Paul (Ky.) and Mike Lee (Utah) were the only senators to vote against including new Russia penalties in the legislation.[/quote] [quote]The Russia deal would impose new sanctions, including on any individuals tied to "malicious cyber activity," supplying weapons to Assad's government or individuals tied to Russia's intelligence and defense sectors. It would also give Congress 30 days — or 60 days around the August recess — to review and potentially block Trump from lifting or relaxing Russia sanctions; codify the sanctions on Russia imposed by executive order by the Obama administration, and allow the Trump administration to impose new sanctions on sectors of the Russian economy.[/quote] [url]https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jun/14/senate-proposes-new-russia-sanctions-meddling-election[/url] [quote]South Carolina senator Lindsey Graham has predicted that Trump will ultimately sign the bill – and warned that if he does not, Congress would override his veto.[/quote]
Looks like Russia's [I]Putin[/I] the bed when it came to messing with politics. Good, let them know their actions have consequences.
Im happy to see how bipartisan this was
I live in utah and my senator was one of the nays. Fml
[QUOTE=kharkovus;52360018]I live in utah and my senator was one of the nays. Fml[/QUOTE] Was it Hatch or Lee?
[QUOTE=Smug Bastard;52360127]Was it Hatch or Lee?[/QUOTE] Lee. Lee is the one from Utah. [editline]14th June 2017[/editline] What are the reasons for the two nays, because that's awfully suspicious in an environment where we suspect Russia is trying to influence our politicians... Especially since one of the two is Rand Paul.
Russia's plan seems to have backfired.
[QUOTE=ForgottenKane;52360245]Lee. Lee is the one from Utah. [editline]14th June 2017[/editline] What are the reasons for the two nays, because that's awfully suspicious in an environment where we suspect Russia is trying to influence our politicians... Especially since one of the two is Rand Paul.[/QUOTE] My guess is Rand Paul takes a classic liberal approach to trade in general and because of that is opposed to most government sanctions on a market.
[QUOTE=David29;52360261]Russia's plan seems to have backfired.[/QUOTE] I suspect Putin is more interested in winning the favor of Republican voters so they'll elect more people that would get in the way of any more adequate responses to his atrocious acts.
I wonder if Comey's closed briefing had anything to do with this. :v:
Eonomic imperialism that will negatively effect only the general public of a foreign nation. Fuck yeah!
[QUOTE=nulls;52360399]Eonomic imperialism that will negatively effect only the general public of a foreign nation. Fuck yeah![/QUOTE] Not really economic imperialism when you are sanctioning for completely valid reasons. It should hopefully put pressure on some oligarchs to be mindful of how long they can truly stay in cahoots with Putin (not saying that the sanctions are targeted towards them, but I am sure they see it). Granted, he has them under their thumb right now but in a long-term view, I am sure they would love do ditch him the instant his power begins to wane. I doubt any of them want to be in a position where their economic success/even having money at all rests on the whims of Putin.
[QUOTE=nulls;52360399]Eonomic imperialism that will negatively effect only the general public of a foreign nation. Fuck yeah![/QUOTE] What do you suggest as an alternative?
[QUOTE=BelatedGamer;52360438]What do you suggest as an alternative?[/QUOTE] Go after the Russian government if you want to do something about it, not Russian workers and citizens who will lose jobs as a result of sanctioning core infastructure. This will only fuel contempt towards America and push more citizens toward poverty.
[QUOTE=nulls;52360492]Go after the Russian government if you want to do something about it, not Russian workers and citizens who will lose jobs as a result of sanctioning core infastructure. This will only fuel contempt towards America and push more citizens toward poverty.[/QUOTE] And how would you go about doing this, other than sanctions against a hostile foreign government? edit: Maybe Russia shouldn't have been interfering in western elections as well as violating the sovereignty of Ukraine.
[QUOTE=Vitalogy;52360296]My guess is Rand Paul takes a classic liberal approach to trade in general and because of that is opposed to most government sanctions on a market.[/QUOTE] Rand "Markets are people too!" Paul, oh yes, of course. God, he's even more delusional than his father
[QUOTE=nulls;52360492]Go after the Russian government if you want to do something about it, not Russian workers and citizens who will lose jobs as a result of sanctioning core infastructure. This will only fuel contempt towards America and push more citizens toward poverty.[/QUOTE] so... bomb them?
[QUOTE=nulls;52360492]Go after the Russian government if you want to do something about it, not Russian workers and citizens who will lose jobs as a result of sanctioning core infastructure.[/QUOTE] Ok. How?
[QUOTE=nulls;52360492]Go after the Russian government if you want to do something about it, not Russian workers and citizens who will lose jobs as a result of sanctioning core infastructure. This will only fuel contempt towards America and push more citizens toward poverty.[/QUOTE] so in your eyes regular imperialism wait thatd fuck lots of russian citizens even more with things such as: minor to major death
[QUOTE=BelatedGamer;52360913]Ok. How?[/QUOTE] Root out the cause of external influence by exposing and ousting people in power (congress, senate, or executive level) who have ties to or regularly conduct business with Russian state-owned (or heavily state influenced) industry such as banking. Freeze accounts and transactions of those who do business with Russian government directly. Or pull a classic America and fund Ukrainian military forces which will eventually become an enemy of the US government. Sanctioning a foreign country even though they already have heavy influence over your political system is like patching a boat leak with scotch tape.
[QUOTE=Bob The Knob;52359834] Senators voted [B]97-2 to attach the deal to an Iran sanctions bill currently being debated[/B] on the Senate floor. Republican Sens. Rand Paul (Ky.) and Mike Lee (Utah) were the only senators to vote against including new Russia penalties in the legislation [/QUOTE] So I'm guessing this was attached to the sanctions bill because it's unlikely most dems and some republicans would have voted on a bill that jeopardizes the solid progress we've made with Iranian relations in the past 8 years if it were by itself. :/
[QUOTE=Ta16;52361175]So I'm guessing this was attached to the sanctions bill because it's unlikely most dems and some republicans would have voted on a bill that jeopardizes the solid progress we've made with Iranian relations in the past 8 years if it were by itself. :/[/QUOTE] The motion to attach it was bipartisan. It's frustrating but this is what compromise looks like and it's better than nothing.
Who was the one senator to not vote?
[QUOTE=Lambeth;52361633]Who was the one senator to not vote?[/QUOTE] According to the [URL="https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=115&session=1&vote=00144#top"]US Senate vote summary[/URL], it would be Van Hollen of Maryland.
Why did they have to attach this to the Iran sanctions bill? Politics is such bullshit. Dems need to vote for it (tying the two sanctions bills together) or else Republicans would grandstand and deflect tension from the Russia investigation. The consequence being potentially submarining the JcpOA [editline]15th June 2017[/editline] Nevermind. Did more rsrch, Iran sanctions don't terminate the JcpOA
Oh hell yeah make our lives even harder while our government keeps not giving a shit
I hope someday we do something about Russia beyond sanctions
[QUOTE=proboardslol;52362653]I hope someday we do something about Russia beyond sanctions[/QUOTE] Like what? What can we do that won't end up in thermonuclear war?
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;52362668]Like what? What can we do that won't end up in thermonuclear war?[/QUOTE] I was thinking more covert shit. We've resumed a cold war and I hope our CIA is actively doing something about Russia other than leaking unflattering details about its leaders
[QUOTE=damnatus;52362647]Oh hell yeah make our lives even harder while our government keeps not giving a shit[/QUOTE] Well what do you suggest instead? Kidnapping Putin and locking him in one of our prisons? If you guys, as Russian citizens, get hurt because of your governments stupid decisions, you go protest your own government (which to your credit, you are)
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