Lemme save you a click and a long read of bullshit. Yes and No.
Yes, in the sense that you undergo molecular deconstruction, which is in essence death, but also no, due to the No Cloning principal of Quantum Mechanics, which states that no two objects can be truly identical, so in order for the transport to be successful the original matter must be moved to the destination, not destroyed and cloned.
This is why you'll never be able to get me on a transporter pad. I'd be more comfortable in a shuttlecraft or being flung through a quantum singularity than suffer THIS form of existential execution.
[QUOTE=ironman17;52710338]This is why you'll never be able to get me on a transporter pad. I'd be more comfortable in a shuttlecraft or being flung through a quantum singularity than suffer THIS form of existential execution.[/QUOTE]
Have you not seen Star Treak? Every episode involving a shuttle also involves a shuttle crash.
They straight up said that, in [I]canon[/I] mind you that no, transporting in Star Trek is [I]not[/I] a death sentence.
They even had like two episodes on it, one in TNG and one in Enterprise to straight up run it home that it wasn't a death sentence, so these fucking articles are a waste of time.
[QUOTE=jonu67;52710402]They straight up said that, in [I]canon[/I] mind you that no, transporting in Star Trek is [I]not[/I] a death sentence.
They even had like two episodes on it, one in TNG and one in Enterprise to straight up run it home that it wasn't a death sentence, so these fucking articles are a waste of time.[/QUOTE]
But then there was also an episode where a teleporter fuckup creates two Rikers and the original one gets stranded on a planet for like ten years
[QUOTE=jonu67;52710419]Creating a copy is fine though, the original still remains.[/QUOTE]
Doesn't sound fine to me. If failing to 'erase' the 'original' results in having two separate consciousnesses running around, then it logically follows that [I]not[/I] failing to erase the original inevitably involves removing a conscious entity from existence.
I don't know squat about Star Trek though, but it's an interesting thought experiment.
[QUOTE=Sherow_Xx;52710566]Doesn't sound fine to me. If failing to 'erase' the 'original' results in having two separate consciousnesses running around, then it logically follows that [I]not[/I] failing to erase the original inevitably involves removing a conscious entity from existence.[/QUOTE]
It was a fluke caused by other factors, it didn't fail to erase anything because that's not what Star Trek Transporters do, it's a simple process of moving you from one area to another, however, the process was interrupted by an unknown variable that fucked with the Transporter and it duplicated Riker, leaving the original on the Planet and the copy to live his life for years and years.
Though in reality if such things existed in practice more than just fiction, we wouldn't really know would we because we can't just make up how they work, but Star Trek's transporters are entirely safe, that's just fact, you know except when the big anomaly of the week happens and it fucks with all the tech on the Enterprise and the holodeck malfunctions, the Enterprise suddenly get's pulled into a pocket reality and one person is slowly being pulled in, the Enterprises computer get's taken over by an alien, you go into a shuttle and suddenly you get pulled through the multiverse, god like beings decided to attack or fuck with you, blah blah blah, shit's horrifyingly dangerous on the flagship of the Federation in the Star Trek universe. :v: Well actually, scratch that, shits just horrifyingly dangerous in general in Star Trek space.
I mean shit, time itself regularly get's rewritten in the Star Trek universe, so even if the transporter did kill you, I wouldn't be too worried about it, you've already died like a million times already.
[QUOTE=jonu67;52710575]It was a fluke caused by other factors, it didn't fail to erase anything because that's not what Star Trek Transporters do, it's a simple process of moving you from one area to another, however, the process was interrupted by an unknown variable that fucked with the Transporter and it duplicated Riker, leaving the original on the Planet and the copy to live his life for years and years.
Though in reality if such things existed in practice more than just fiction, we wouldn't really know would we because we can't just make up how they work, but Star Trek's transporters are entirely safe, that's just fact, you know except when the big anomaly of the week happens and it fucks with all the tech on the Enterprise and the holodeck malfunctions, the Enterprise suddenly get's pulled into a pocket reality and one person is slowly being pulled in, the Enterprises computer get's taken over by an alien, you go into a shuttle and suddenly you get pulled through the multiverse, blah blah blah, shit's horrifyingly dangerous on the flagship of the Federation in the Star Trek universe. :v: Well actually, scratch that, shits just horrifyingly dangerous in general in Star Trek space.
I mean shit, time itself regularly get's rewritten in the Star Trek universe, so even if the transporter did kill you, I wouldn't be too worried about it, you've already died like a million times already.[/QUOTE]
Just to clarify I remember that episode vividly, if I recall the actual circumstance was that atmospheric conditions were making a beam out difficult, and they did something to make it work, but what they thought was a dodgy beam out that somehow worked was actually the beam out being reflected back to the surface while simultaneously making it back to the ship, so (soon to be) commander riker made it to the ship while lieutenant Riker was left stranded.
But then, having said that, this goes against the no cloning principal, so either physics actually flies in the face of literally everything we know about it, or this tv show about fictional characters from the future screwing up futuristic technology throws the physics handbook out the window in favor of an entertaining plot.
I assumed by the article's title that it referred to the redshirts that beam down alongside the main crew, only to get immediately killed.
[QUOTE=jonu67;52710402]They straight up said that, in [I]canon[/I] mind you that no, transporting in Star Trek is [I]not[/I] a death sentence.
They even had like two episodes on it, one in TNG and one in Enterprise to straight up run it home that it wasn't a death sentence, so these fucking articles are a waste of time.[/QUOTE]
I now want to know if there is an episode explaining why people with red shirts are at a higher risk of dying than mustard/blue shirts. :v:
[QUOTE=Electrocuter;52712290]I now want to know if there is an episode explaining why people with red shirts are at a higher risk of dying than mustard/blue shirts. :v:[/QUOTE]
No plot armor.
Actually that transporter thing from the series always looked kinda out of place for me technologically wise. I mean, I'm not really versed in Star Trek lore, but judging by the article they basically can scan and then recreate any object from scratch as many times as they want to, which opens a direct way to the literal golden age of humanity, making scarcity a long forgotten word, but yet they use much more primitive and conventional ways to build their machinery, grow food and whatnot. Sure there may be some purely technical complications preventing broader use of re-materialization, like huge energy consumption of the process, but it doesn't look so considering how casually the characters use it throughout the films. it almost looks like they have a goose capable of laying golden eggs on a daily basis, but they just use those eggs as decorations instead of selling them.
[QUOTE=Electrocuter;52712290]I now want to know if there is an episode explaining why people with red shirts are at a higher risk of dying than mustard/blue shirts. :v:[/QUOTE]
Well the red shirts that went on away missions were usually security, so they'd be more likely to be in dangerous situations. And then you'd get the occasional alien presence that would kill one or two of them as a show of force.
[QUOTE=antianan;52712708]Actually that transporter thing from the series always looked kinda out of place for me technologically wise. I mean, I'm not really versed in Star Trek lore, but judging by the article they basically can scan and then recreate any object from scratch as many times as they want to, which opens a direct way to the literal golden age of humanity, making scarcity a long forgotten word, but yet they use much more primitive and conventional ways to build their machinery, grow food and whatnot. Sure there may be some purely technical complications preventing broader use of re-materialization, like huge energy consumption of the process, but it doesn't look so considering how casually the characters use it throughout the films. it almost looks like they have a goose capable of laying golden eggs on a daily basis, but they just use those eggs as decorations instead of selling them.[/QUOTE]
Dude have you not heard of Replicators or what.
[url]http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Replicator[/url]
[QUOTE=Electrocuter;52712290]I now want to know if there is an episode explaining why people with red shirts are at a higher risk of dying than mustard/blue shirts. :v:[/QUOTE]
It was usually just because a no name security officer had to come down with the main team to up the danger for when he dies, so it was a higher percentage, but really, any "non" main character that came down with the team had an extreme likelyhood of dying in the TOS era because plot drama, in the later eras however, such as TNG technically more yellow shirts died, due to the uniform colour switch, which indicated operations/security in the TNG era if that's anything to go by.
[QUOTE=jonu67;52712722]Dude have you not heard of Replicators or what.
[url]http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Replicator[/url]
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That makes more sense, thanks. Still, the fact that they can't create complex objects is kinda silly. I understand it's obviously just a plot limitation, but still.
[QUOTE=antianan;52712739]That makes more sense, thanks. Still, the fact that they can't create complex objects is kinda silly. I understand it's obviously just a plot limitation, but still.[/QUOTE]
Nono, you misunderstand, they [I]can[/I] create complex objects, though you don't expect a simple ship replicator to do that, those are mostly just for food and tools and the like, you expect an [I]industrial[/I] replicator to do that, but there are a few materials it can't recreate because of the complexity in said objects molecular structure.
Stuff like Latinum, [url]http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Latinum[/url] just couldn't be replicated for some reason and because of that it's used as a currency by a merchant race known as the Ferengi.
Reminds me of this scene from BrBa
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIsauNJ392o[/media]
[QUOTE=Electrocuter;52712290]I now want to know if there is an episode explaining why people with red shirts are at a higher risk of dying than mustard/blue shirts. :v:[/QUOTE]
Technically according to math. Gold is statistically the most likely colour to get you killed once you factor out the main cast members. More red's die simply because more of them go on missions.
In ToS that is, the other series changed the job of red shirts beyond engineering and security.
[QUOTE=Fr3ddi3;52713051]Technically according to math. Gold is statistically the most likely colour to get you killed once you factor out the main cast members. More red's die simply because more of them go on missions.[/QUOTE]
You know, I've always wondered what the meaning behind the shirt colors are. In enterprise at least, what I've figured out thus far without any wiki or whatever is this:
Red shirts = Command role. Without exception. They either have a post on the bridge or have some sort of command. And red shirts are almost ALWAYS a main character or somehow pivotal to the plot (even if that is due to their imminent death).
Yellow shirts = Technicians and security mostly. Typically these guys work in engineering or with some other crucial ship system and could probably completely disassemble and reassemble those systems in their sleep. Either that or they are the beat down cops that show up and look menacing whenever a Ferengi is on board or something to that ilk.
Blue shirts = Medical and/or general crew. Either have menial labor tasks suck as "make sure this part of this system doesnt do this" or they work in sick bay. My conclusion here is supported by the fact that Troy's proper uniform (when she isn't in that revealing purple outfit) is a blue shirt, and so is Dr. Crusher, and so is everyone in the sick bay, but there are also a few blue shirts seen roaming the corridors or lurking around areas like the cargo bay.
If one of you guys wanna correct me, please do so, this bothers me every time its on tv.
EDIT: Just looked it up. First of all, the series is next generation, so boxes all round for me. and secondly I was pretty much on the money, with the exception of blue and yellow. According to wikipedia...
[quote=Wikipedia]... abdominal area are colored to indicate the individual's branch, with red indicating command and helm; gold for engineering, security, and operations; and blue for science and medical...[/quote]
What's the difference between all of your matter instantly being moved 1 foot to the left, and all of your matter being instantly destroyed and an exact replica appearing 1 foot to the left? Physically there's no difference at all. So even if you ARE being destroyed, does it matter? It kind of depends on the nature of conciousness. The argument could be made that since there doesn't seem to be any difference between those two situations, that there shouldn't be any interruption in consciousness.
[QUOTE=Mort Stroodle;52713398]What's the difference between all of your matter instantly being moved 1 foot to the left, and all of your matter being instantly destroyed and an exact replica appearing 1 foot to the left? Physically there's no difference at all. So even if you ARE being destroyed, does it matter? It kind of depends on the nature of conciousness. The argument could be made that since there doesn't seem to be any difference between those two situations, that there shouldn't be any interruption in consciousness.[/QUOTE]
The difference is [url=https://www.quantiki.org/wiki/no-cloning-theorem]no cloning[/url].
This is very difficult to comprehend but in essence, no two sets of matter can be truly identical due to unknown quantum states (which cannot be duplicated). Imperfect cloning can occur, but we can tell from the heavy use of transporters in Star Trek that this isn't the case, otherwise Commander Riker would surely be suffering some sort of molecular instability throughout, and there certainly wouldn't be a strong likeness between Commander Riker and Lieutenant Riker.
However if the matter is instead moved, then cloning never occurs and so there is no need for the no cloning theorem to be considered as the matter at point A is the same matter at point B, not a replica or clone.
EDIT: And yes, that also applies to matter that is destroyed before being recreated in another location.
[QUOTE=jonu67;52710419]Creating a copy is fine though, the original still remains.[/QUOTE]
For some reason I thought this was an argument about piracy.
[QUOTE=Oizen;52713610]For some reason I thought this was an argument about piracy.[/QUOTE]
You wouldn't pirate a Riker.
[QUOTE=jonu67;52713673]You wouldn't pirate a Riker.[/QUOTE]
You wouldn't download a Data.
[t]https://i.ytimg.com/vi/vfF4Jq478_s/maxresdefault.jpg[/t]
wait shit i just did.
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;52713924]don't forget the unforgettable episode where picard, feeling too lazy to walk to his replicator, demands o'brien transport the earl gray directly into his hands. But due to an electrical storm, o'brien teleports the teapot into a red shirt's head, killing him instantly[/QUOTE]
I recall no such episode. Give me a number etc?
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;52713924]don't forget the unforgettable episode [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Redfiend;52714220]I recall no such episode[/QUOTE]
You had one job dude
[QUOTE=Redfiend;52713679]You wouldn't download a Data.
[t]https://i.ytimg.com/vi/vfF4Jq478_s/maxresdefault.jpg[/t]
wait shit i just did.[/QUOTE]
[t]http://i.imgur.com/ZVROwnv.jpg[/t]
my android phone has unlimited data yo, i can download all i want.
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