• John Bolton: Israel only has 8 days to strike Iran
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[QUOTE=The Huffington Post]Former UN envoy John Bolton said Israel has just "eight days" to launch a military strike to halt Iran's nuclear ambitions before such an attack would be too risky. With Iran's first nuclear power reactor set to launch August 21, an attack beyond that date could release harmful radiation and affect Iranian civilians, Bolton said. As Bolton told the Fox Business Network: "Once that uranium, once those fuel rods are very close to the reactor, certainly once they're in the reactor, attacking it means a release of radiation, no question about it. So if Israel is going to do anything against Bushehr it has to move in the next eight days." Bolton reportedly reiterated the point on Israel Radio Tuesday, this time saying that Israel had a mere "three days" to strike Iran's nuclear reactor. Bolton also told Jerusalem Post Tuesday that "this is a very, very big victory for Iran." However, when pressed on whether or not he actually anticipated Israeli forces launching an attack, Bolton seemed skeptical. "I do not think so, I fear that Israel has lost this opportunity," Bolton said. Here he is on Fox: [MEDIA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9qB5PVCZag[/MEDIA] [/QUOTE] Source: [url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/17/israel-has-eight-days-to-_n_684970.html[/url] Got help us, don't do anything stupid Israel.
Fuck Israel.
very very true. DO IT
Updated, by the way. They only have 3 days.
Iran's shitty plant probably would turn into Chernobyl if it was bombed. It's a hard decision but I don't think this would be a surprise to them and if they were going to do something, they wouldn't have left it this late.
Oh fuck oh fuck oh fuck
Holocaust V2, Hitler reborn into iranian (Should be name of thread) Israel deserves this, take that you ship attacking mongrels
Don't do this, Israel.
a part of me wants something to happen just so that something interesting goes down. then i remember that anything that would happen would be terrible.
[QUOTE=Devodiere;24150050]Iran's shitty plant probably would turn into Chernobyl if it was bombed. It's a hard decision but I don't think this would be a surprise to them and if they were going to do something, they wouldn't have left it this late.[/QUOTE] It may quite honestly be their plan entirely. Wait until the reactor has the fuel in place, then create a catastrophic failure and damage the entire region. If you wanted to weaken an enemy, its easier to use a few bombs and affect an entire area and garuntee one of your enemies resources is crippled than use many bombs and leave a resource potentially salvageable.
[QUOTE=Zeddy;24150123]It may quite honestly be their plan entirely. Wait until the reactor has the fuel in place, then create a catastrophic failure and damage the entire region. If you wanted to weaken an enemy, its easier to use a few bombs and affect an entire area and garuntee one of your enemies resources is crippled than use many bombs and leave a resource potentially salvageable.[/QUOTE] no one can be that stupid :psyduck:
Israel wouldn't be this reckless. It's not going to be another Osirak.
[QUOTE=Zeddy;24150123]It may quite honestly be their plan entirely. Wait until the reactor has the fuel in place, then create a catastrophic failure and damage the entire region. If you wanted to weaken an enemy, its easier to use a few bombs and affect an entire area and garuntee one of your enemies resources is crippled than use many bombs and leave a resource potentially salvageable.[/QUOTE] The thing is that unless they do it perfectly, bombing the plant is likely to send fallout everywhere, possibly even to Israel. This is a tough situation but I don't think risking another Chernobyl catastrophe that is directly your fault is a good move ever.
[QUOTE=Devodiere;24150166]The thing is that unless they do it perfectly, bombing the plant is likely to send fallout everywhere, possibly even to Israel. This is a tough situation but I don't think risking another Chernobyl catastrophe that is directly your fault is a good move ever.[/QUOTE] if they play their cards right they can blame it on iran and use that as leverage to launch an entire "peacekeeping operation"
[QUOTE=Kybalt;24150125]no one can be that stupid :psyduck:[/QUOTE] Israel attacked aid ships traveling in international waters to a separate nation. Ships carrying foreign diplomats. They also destroyed Iraq's plants before. Since it doesn't seem to have deterred Iran then from a logistical standpoint causing a massive catastrophe is petty much the next best step. [editline]12:30AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Tac Error;24150154]Israel wouldn't be this reckless. It's not going to be another Osirak.[/QUOTE] Israel has said before that attacking is an option they are seriously considering. That's the thing about wars like this. Any action that can ensure high damage to the enemy is a reasonable action.
[QUOTE=Archy;24150221]if they play their cards right they can blame it on iran and use that as leverage to launch an entire "peacekeeping operation"[/QUOTE] A catastrophic meltdown looks a lot different to an external attack. Unless they sabotage something or have some amazing plan that no-one could think of, it's going to be pretty fucking obvious what they did. [QUOTE=Zeddy;24150224]Israel attacked aid ships traveling in international waters to a separate nation. Ships carrying foreign diplomats. They also destroyed Iraq's plants before. Since it doesn't seem to have deterred Iran then from a logistical standpoint causing a massive catastrophe is petty much the next best step.[/QUOTE] Not only did you mince the facts to an absurd degree, the aid ships are completely unrelated to this. As for Iraqs plant, it was in co-operation with the Iranian government at the time and Iran's current government is loony. The situation is not so bad that causing a catastrophe is a good idea so unless they can get around that, nothing is going to happen. [editline]03:36PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Zeddy;24150224]Israel has said before that attacking is an option they are seriously considering. That's the thing about wars like this. Any action that can ensure high damage to the enemy is a reasonable action.[/QUOTE] Attacking is an option, shooting themselves in the foot is not. Attacking the plant and having it go Chernobyl will hurt Israeli civilians as well as everyone else. Attacking the plant safely will set back Irans efforts but probably cause a much larger conflict.
[QUOTE=Devodiere;24150293]A catastrophic meltdown looks a lot different to an external attack. Unless they sabotage something or have some amazing plan that no-one could think of, it's going to be pretty fucking obvious what they did. [/QUOTE] that's what i mean, sabotage fuck up the reactor so it makes a catastrophe, claim it was rigged by the iranian government so you can invade, overthrow the government, and suddenly israel has one less problem that or sue the iranian government dry from damages due to radiation
I don't get it. Americans fear the thought of Iran getting enriched uranium, but then people here are posting for Israel not to do anything? What? Typical, inconsistent, lack of thought, Facepunch.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;24150125]no one can be that stupid :psyduck:[/QUOTE] Israel.
[QUOTE=Archy;24150332]that or sue the iranian government dry from damages due to radiation[/QUOTE] You think Iran will make an appearance before an international judiciary, and after that, pay reperations?
[QUOTE=DogGunn;24150354]I don't get it. Americans fear the thought of Iran getting enriched uranium, but then people here are posting for Israel not to do anything? What? Typical, inconsistent, lack of thought, Facepunch.[/QUOTE] I don't get it. Are you saying Israel should attack Iran? Also it's just not America that fears Iran getting uranium.
[QUOTE=Archy;24150332]that's what i mean, sabotage fuck up the reactor so it makes a catastrophe, claim it was rigged by the iranian government so you can invade, overthrow the government, and suddenly israel has one less problem that or sue the iranian government dry from damages due to radiation[/QUOTE] Iran is paranoid as fuck about Israeli spies both because they know it's highly likely and because they are insane. The circumstances for it to look like they did it intentionaly are near impossible to attain so at best, it will look like incompetence that caused it. Such an event would not give reason for other countries to invade but the actions of Iran afterwards might. The most likely scenario is that with the Iranian government doing such damage to their own people, support for them wanes, riots break out and they are overthrown by their own people.
[QUOTE=DogGunn;24150354]I don't get it. Americans fear the thought of Iran getting enriched uranium, but then people here are posting for Israel not to do anything? What? Typical, inconsistent, lack of thought, Facepunch.[/QUOTE] Because bombing a nuclear reactor is better right :downs: Seeing as they allow IAEA inspectors into their facilites and never broke a IAEA protocol, I don't see the worry.
[QUOTE=DamagePoint;24150389]I don't get it. Are you saying Israel should attack Iran? Also it's just not America that fears Iran getting uranium.[/QUOTE] I'm not saying anything about Iran. I'm making comment on Facepunch's lack of consistency. Nobody fears Iran getting uranium. I mean, they probably even have some of the element in the ground in their country. It's the enrichment, for weapon or electricity generation that they fear. [editline]03:46PM[/editline] [QUOTE=starpluck;24150411]Because bombing a nuclear reactor is better right :downs:[/QUOTE] Bombing a non-active nuclear reactor... That's what there are 8 (3?) days for. [QUOTE=starpluck;24150411]Seeing as they allow IAEA inspectors into their facilites and never broke a IAEA, I don't see the worry.[/QUOTE] I don't see the big fuss as long as American / other-nationals with the IAEA can verify that's it's being used properly.
Oh, yay, another international conflict in the middle east that the united states will prob get sucked into because we're Israel's big brother. :sigh:
[QUOTE=PjaNoo^;24150094] Israel deserves this, take that you ship attacking mongrels[/QUOTE] You're a moron. [editline]05:49AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Xen Tricks;24150474]Oh, yay, another international conflict in the middle east that the united states will prob get sucked into because we're Israel's big brother. :sigh:[/QUOTE] More like Israel's little bitch.
[QUOTE=Xen Tricks;24150474]Oh, yay, another international conflict in the middle east that the united states will prob get sucked into because we're Israel's big brother. :sigh:[/QUOTE] America already has a problem with Iran getting any sort of nuclear capacity, regardless of Israel's voice. [QUOTE=Melnek;24150479]You're a moron.[/QUOTE] You've been trolled. Well done.
[QUOTE=DogGunn;24150419]I don't see the big fuss as long as American / other-nationals with the IAEA can verify that's it's being used properly.[/QUOTE] [url=http://www.iaea.org/Publications/Documents/Board/2010/gov2010-28.pdf]By the IAEA's own reports[/url], Iran is not cooperating fully, will not allow them to verify all material is accounted for, is constructing additional plants that IAEA inspectors are not allowed into and is not implementing some requested safety protocols.
[QUOTE=Melnek;24150479]You're a moron. [editline]05:49AM[/editline] More like Israel's little bitch. [editline]05:49AM[/editline] More like Israel's little bitch.[/QUOTE] That works too. Though actually, parent is more appropriate. We support them no matter what they do, even if it's obviously stupid, and we helped give birth to them. [QUOTE=DogGunn;24150498]America already has a problem with Iran getting any sort of nuclear capacity, regardless of Israel's voice. You've been trolled. Well done.[/QUOTE] Yes, but we're trying to work it out diplomatically. Israel's plans seem to be "fuck it, let's bomb em"
[QUOTE=DogGunn;24150419]I'm not saying anything about Iran. I'm making comment on Facepunch's lack of consistency. Nobody fears Iran getting uranium. I mean, they probably even have some of the element in the ground in their country. It's the enrichment, for weapon or electricity generation that they fear.[/QUOTE] Well in my opinion the more idiots with nuclear weapons the worse off we are. And by idiots I mean any country that's trying to get nuclear weapons, whether it were Iran or even another western country. And I'm pretty sure a lot of people feel that way. But most people realize starting WW3 would be a lot worse. So I don't see a contradiction here.
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