• Guns on College Campus? What.
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[quote] AUSTIN, Texas - Texas is preparing to give college students and professors the right to carry guns on campus, adding momentum to a national campaign to open this part of society to firearms. More than half the members of the Texas House have signed on as co-authors of a measure directing universities to allow concealed handguns. The Senate passed a similar bill in 2009 and is expected to do so again. Republican Gov. Rick Perry, who sometimes packs a pistol when he jogs, has said he's in favor of the idea. Texas has become a prime battleground for the issue because of its gun culture and its size, with 38 public universities and more than 500,000 students. It would become the second state, following Utah, to pass such a broad-based law. Colorado gives colleges the option, and several have allowed handguns. Supporters of the legislation argue that gun violence on campuses, such as the mass shootings at Virginia Tech in 2007 and Northern Illinois in 2008, show that the best defense against a gunman is students who can shoot back. "It's strictly a matter of self-defense," said state Sen. Jeff Wentworth, R-San Antonio. "I don't ever want to see repeated on a Texas college campus what happened at Virginia Tech, where some deranged, suicidal madman goes into a building and is able to pick off totally defenseless kids like sitting ducks." Until the Virginia Tech incident, the worst college shooting in U.S. history occurred at the University of Texas, when sniper Charles Whitman went to the top of the administration tower in 1966 and killed 16 people and wounded dozens. Last September, a University of Texas student fired several shots from an assault rifle before killing himself. Similar firearms measures have been proposed in about a dozen other states, but all face strong opposition, especially from college leaders. In Oklahoma, all 25 public college and university presidents declared their opposition to a concealed-carry proposal. "There is no scenario where allowing concealed weapons on college campuses will do anything other than create a more dangerous environment for students, faculty, staff and visitors," Oklahoma Chancellor of Higher Education Glen Johnson said in January. University of Texas President William Powers has opposed concealed handguns on campus, saying the mix of students, guns and campus parties is volatile. Guns occupy a special place in Texas culture. Politicians often tout owning a gun as essential to being Texan. Concealed-handgun-license holders are allowed to skip the metal detectors that scan Capitol visitors for guns, knives and other contraband. Guns-on-campus bills have been rejected in 23 states since 2007, but gun-control activists acknowledge it will be difficult to stop the Texas bill from passing this year. "Things do look bleak," said Colin Goddard, assistant director of federal legislation for the Brady Campaign Against Gun Violence. Goddard was a student at Virginia Tech when he was shot four times in his French class. Student Seung-Hui Cho killed 32 people, including 10 in Goddard's classroom, before shooting himself. Goddard dismisses the idea that another student with a gun could have stopped the killer. "People tell me that if they would have been there, they would have shot that guy. That offends me," Goddard said. "People want to be the hero; I understand that. They play video games and they think they understand the reality. It's nothing like that." But Derek Titus, a senior at Texas A&M who has a state license to carry a concealed handgun, said someone with a gun that day could have improved the chances of survival. "Gun-free zones are shooting galleries for the mass murderers," Titus said. "We do not feel that we must rely on the police or security forces to defend our lives." [/quote][URL="http://azstarnet.com/news/article_04bbcfb9-3a0a-5474-868f-9d0521a7add5.html"] Lolhi [/URL] Then a guy has a bad day with some bible thumper calling him a wasteless sack of flesh, and an OK Corral happens in a matter of seconds.
This is actually a good idea (IN THEORY) I mean, laws keeping guns off of a school campus will NOT keep the criminals from bringing one anyway, it keeps the normal civilians from defending themselves. the problem is morons who would start a shootout over some argument. edit I think a better solution would be dedicated security and areas for students to hide in an event like this. (nothing extra I just mean lockable closets and shit)
pop pop pop texas' gonna suck Anyways, I doubt they will ever get a chance to use 'em for a good reason. This just opens up for more school shootings
More violence may occur, but the death toll will be considerably lower per incident.
Well to bring in some debate... Should people be required to have a permit to have a concealed firearm on campus?
[QUOTE=Canned Induvidual;28185082]pop pop pop texas' gonna suck Anyways, I doubt they will ever get a chance to use 'em for a good reason. This just opens up for more school shootings[/QUOTE] Yeah just like all those shootings that Texas is often plagued with being an open-gun society oh yeah, nevermind, it has an extremely low violent crime rate which has been falling for years, strange because when i hold a gun i automatically feel the urge to kill. :v: [editline]e[/editline] Furthermore do you people have no trust in your classmates? I mean, what are you going to do when you grow up? Don't your neighbors own weapons? In an apartment building or in the suburbs i almost guarantee somebody around you owns one if you live in America, equipped with that information will you now fear for your life forever or what? College is supposed to prepare you for the real world so here it is, people in Texas own guns. Lots of them, a suprising amount of them. Last i checked they also have CCW licenses which allow people to carry in public so that means people walking around you could be armed, again, i wouldn't be surprised if it was a high amount in Texas. Is your community less safe than others? If not, then relax.
[QUOTE=Bletotum;28185074]This is actually a good idea (IN THEORY) I think a better solution would be dedicated security and areas for students to hide in an event like this. (nothing extra I just mean lockable closets and shit)[/QUOTE] Then I gun you down while you're helpless in a closet through the door.
[QUOTE=HatredViral;28185142]Then I gun you down while you're helpless in a closet through the door.[/QUOTE] did you think I meant a 5x5 tiny closet? I meant big enough for ~20 people to be away from it's door without being crowded. Even that isn't so big. edit or would you prefer people running through the halls unprotected
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;28185116]Well to bring in some debate... Should people be required to have a permit to have a concealed firearm on campus?[/QUOTE] Anyone carrying concealed weapons on campus should be required to enter their name on a public registry that any student attending the school has access to so everyone knows who has guns Beyond that all normal laws for concealed carry should apply
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;28185116]Well to bring in some debate... Should people be required to have a permit to have a concealed firearm on campus?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Zeke129;28185253]Anyone carrying concealed weapons on campus should be required to enter their name on a public registry that any student attending the school has access to so everyone knows who has guns[/QUOTE] A permit is already required for that, everywhere. I don't see what a registry would do since law enforcement officials already have all of the records. All it would do really is incite hatred or fear of those who do own firearms which i assume is your intention.
I don't have a gun, I just have probably 20+ knives scattered around the room.
Meh it's Texas, this might actually do more good then harm.
[QUOTE=s0beit;28185271]A permit is already required for that, everywhere. I don't see what a registry would do since law enforcement officials already have all of the records. All it would do really is incite hatred or fear of those who do own firearms which i assume is your intention.[/QUOTE] Actually in Arizona you can freely walk around with a concealed firearm(no permit required). You have to leave your firearm in a vehicle though when entering a school zone or any no-firearm zone.
Is it normal in the US that you get attacked in the middle of the street? I can't see the reason why people are carring guns with themselves everyday. Law enforcement exists.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;28185299]Actually in Arizona you can freely walk around with a concealed firearm(no permit required). You have to leave your firearm in a vehicle though when entering a school zone or any no-firearm zone.[/QUOTE] I meant "everywhere" in Texas, rated informative anyway as i did not know that. [QUOTE=VistaPOWA;28185355]Is it normal in the US that you get attacked in the middle of the street. I can't see the reason why people are carring guns with themselves everyday. Law enforcement exists.[/QUOTE] That's a stupid fucking question, it's normal for you to get attacked in the middle of the street anywhere on the planet. People are people, unless you have a police radio shoved up your ass the police aren't going to help you if you get "attacked in the middle of the street", they'll probably be out to file a police report though.
[QUOTE=Bletotum;28185074]This is actually a good idea (IN THEORY) I mean, laws keeping guns off of a school campus will NOT keep the criminals from bringing one anyway, it keeps the normal civilians from defending themselves. the problem is morons who would start a shootout over some argument. edit I think a better solution would be dedicated security and areas for students to hide in an event like this. (nothing extra I just mean lockable closets and shit)[/QUOTE] This would be a somewhat decent idea if everyone was trained in using firearms and could not miss, and if people didn't have any emotions.
[QUOTE=sp00ks;28185395]This would be a somewhat decent idea if everyone was trained in using firearms and could not miss, and if people didn't have any emotions.[/QUOTE] It would take quite a bit of emotion to just pull out your gun and kill someone, not the kind of thing you do on a whim. Also why does accuracy or training count? Surely if you don't even know how to use a gun you shouldn't have one but beyond basic use all you really need to do is point it at someone for it to have it's full effect.
[QUOTE=s0beit;28185271]All it would do really is incite hatred or fear of those who do own firearms which i assume is your intention.[/QUOTE] Well you know what happens when you assume
I tought it was that if there are more guns in a firefight, there will be more causulties?
[QUOTE=ToXiCsoldier;28185960]I tought it was that if there are more guns in a firefight, there will be more causulties?[/QUOTE] Well when there is only one you can guess how it will turn out, technically not a firefight too. Of course if such a thing does break out, it will become a firefight instead of a slaughter.
[QUOTE=Devodiere;28185422]It would take quite a bit of emotion to just pull out your gun and kill someone, not the kind of thing you do on a whim. Also why does accuracy or training count? Surely if you don't even know how to use a gun you shouldn't have one but beyond basic use all you really need to do is point it at someone for it to have it's full effect.[/QUOTE] Let's imagine a crowded cafeteria. Everyone has a gun. Someone pulls out a gun a fires a shot. Everyone else pulls out their gun and fires at whoever they think shot the first shot.
[QUOTE=sp00ks;28186061]Let's imagine a crowded cafeteria. Everyone has a gun. Someone pulls out a gun a fires a shot. Everyone else pulls out their gun and fires at whoever they think shot the first shot.[/QUOTE] if you fire without knowing exactly what you are shooting at you shouldn't have a firearm.
Professors and other faculty should have the ability to carry. So far in almost every school shooting, police had too much red tape and or they took to long to do anything about it. Just so everyone knows, when you carry you are upholding a certain responsibility. Just because you have a gun in the back of your pants does not mean you are going to pull it on everyone who is talking shit to you etc. Even worse case scenario where a student with a permit did go off the wall and shoot someone. Whats the difference between a normal student with a concealed carry permit with a gun in his back pocket and a school shooter with a gun in his back pocket? Also an advantage of having concealed carry is opportunity. If a school shooting did occur I doubt it would turn into a 'firefight'.
I'm glad stuff like this doesn't happen in England. I would fear for my life knowing that just one chav in Aylesbury college has a gun. If they all had guns I'd be dead already.
[QUOTE=sp00ks;28186061]Let's imagine a crowded cafeteria. Everyone has a gun. Someone pulls out a gun a fires a shot. Everyone else pulls out their gun and fires at whoever they think shot the first shot.[/QUOTE] For one, I seriously doubt everyone in the room would have a gun. Second, if only one person fired a shot, why would [B]everyone [/B]shoot who they think shot? Especially if someone wasn't facing the hypothetical shot, any sharp loud noise may cause them to react by your logic. Lastly, people who have concealed carry permits generally aren't carrying because they're trigger-happy.
[QUOTE=sp00ks;28186061]Let's imagine a crowded cafeteria. Everyone has a gun. Someone pulls out a gun a fires a shot. Everyone else pulls out their gun and fires at whoever they think shot the first shot.[/QUOTE] Nah, not really. Gunshot, everyone drops to the ground, few people pull guns and point them a bit, surely there will be some confusion among the people with guns but I don't think they would be so trigger happy. Alternatively gunshot, everyone panics and starts running around, chaos takes hold and no-one has any idea on who shot anything so no-one has a clear shot and does nothing. If it continues though, I'm sure someone could figure out who is repeatedly shooting people. This is plenty of speculation though. Shooting and killing someone isn't something you do lightly, even if they are shooting everyone.
[QUOTE=sp00ks;28186061]Let's imagine a crowded cafeteria. Everyone has a gun. Someone pulls out a gun a fires a shot. Everyone else pulls out their gun and fires at whoever they think shot the first shot.[/QUOTE] What is this I don't even. Why would everyone have a gun? And how can you assume everyone would pull out their gun and start shooting at everyone? Do you have any experience or idea how carrying a gun works?
IMHO the only "weapon" I'd carry is this: [img]http://rarebirdfinds.typepad.com/rare_bird_finds/images/2007/09/25/beltbuckle.jpg[/img] More than enough for me...
[QUOTE=The DooD;28186099]I'm glad stuff like this doesn't happen in England. I would fear for my life knowing that just one chav in Aylesbury college has a gun. If they all had guns I'd be dead already.[/QUOTE] If my country didn't already have insanely high crime and if every thug didn't already have a gun, I wouldn't suggest we start selling. However that's not the case so stuff like this needs to happen.
[QUOTE=Pretiacruento;28186127]IMHO the only "weapon" I'd carry is this: [img_thumb]http://rarebirdfinds.typepad.com/rare_bird_finds/images/2007/09/25/beltbuckle.jpg[/img_thumb] More than enough for me...[/QUOTE] Until someone shoots you.
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