• NBC: Clinton lead over Trump would more than double without Sanders in the race
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[t]http://imgkk.com/i/f_xy.png[/t] [t]http://imgkk.com/i/yufq.png[/t] [url]http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/clinton-lead-over-trump-would-grow-without-sanders-race-n581961[/url] [quote]The latest NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll shows Hillary Clinton with a narrow three-point lead over Donald Trump, 46 percent to 43 percent. But if Bernie Sanders were out of the race the NBC News political unit estimates her lead would likely be much larger, perhaps up around eight points, 51 percent to 43 percent.[/quote] It speaks to Trump's weakness as a candidate that even with the Democrat primary process dragging on, he's still not doing great against Clinton
Yes, its obviously Sanders fault that hillary is having problems with gaining support , not her stances on issues (or lack thereof).
It also speaks to Hillary's weakness that she would only gain 5% by eliminating the only sane competition she has.
lol fuck off whatever happened to let the voter decide who's up for the job- and not who should get the [I]pity[/I] vote.
Bear in mind this is a hypothetical. NBC just did some math to the existing polls with the presumption that Clinton would capture 70% of Sanders supporters. [quote]So to get a better look at where the Clinton-Trump race might stand after the nominating dust has settled, we recalculated the latest NBC/WSJ poll with Clinton capturing 70 percent of the Sanders-only vote.[/quote] With how Hillary has repeatedly trashed Sanders and his supporters I'm not confident she would get that much of his voter base, but we'll see if a looming Trump presidency changes people's minds.
I trust news corps like NBC about as much as I do Fox News.
The blame game is going to be insane if Clinton loses against Trump.
Here's the thing, this is true. We don't know how much of the Sanders supporters would go with clinton, (I still believe the Majority will). However It also seems those #Bernie or Bust Supporters aren't going into much of his rallies (Only if the rallies are in their homestate). Trump is a fucking weak General Election Canidate: according to polling averages he has never passed ~43% of the vote. Apparently he has no Ground Game Infrastructure: in fact Washington Examiner says his campaign is broke, (The Big GOP donors are going to the Senate, Or Gary Johnson if rumors are to be believed) He cannot run TV ads until Augest, his internal campaign is a trashfire. [editline]30th May 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Jim Morrison;50423209]Bear in mind this is a hypothetical. NBC just did some math to the existing polls with the presumption that Clinton would capture 70% of Sanders supporters. With how Hillary has repeatedly trashed Sanders and his supporters I'm not confident she would get that much of his voter base, but we'll see if a looming Trump presidency changes people's minds.[/QUOTE] It will. [editline]30th May 2016[/editline] I also forgot to mention is that only 36% of the democrats are paying attention to the Election right now, like the rest of the Elections recently.
Pretty sure Bernie would have double digits on Trump if Hillary were to drop out of the race.
polling (however reliable it is at this stage) doesn't account for each candidate's strategy (or lack of), Trump is claiming to want to target 15 states that he believes he can flip to his side. He's delusional in that he believes states like california (a state with a hispanic MAJORITY, and a democratic supermajority) or New York would flip for him, and he's going to waste his money there while the democrats have a pretty solid network to target the states they need to win the election
I'd just like to point out this entire article is based off of the assumption that a full 70% of the BernieOrBust movement would ultimately switch to Clinton if Bernie dropped out. 70%. Nevermind that this is an overly optimistic assumption, it's also pure guesswork with no reasoning or evidence behind it. In other words, it's simply the percentage of Sanders supporters that NBC [I]thinks[/I] would come over to Clinton's side. They didn't even bother to interview anyone. They just picked 70% for the hell of it. Also, notice that NBC didn't even bother to do a study on what Sanders' numbers against Trump would be if [I]Clinton[/I] were to drop out. Lets you know where their priorities are, I guess.
I will however tell you this, Most Democrats Don't blame Sanders for this divide, they Blame Debbie Wasserman Schultz, when they look back on what happened on the election, there was a bias toward Hillary, the Democrats may not let her get back the DNC chair again if she wins the Senate. [editline]30th May 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=mcharest;50423418]I'd just like to point out this entire article is based off of the assumption that a full 70% of the BernieOrBust movement would ultimately switch to Clinton if Bernie dropped out. 70%. Nevermind that this is an overly optimistic assumption, it's also pure guesswork with no reasoning or evidence behind it. In other words, it's simply the percentage of Sanders supporters that NBC [I]thinks[/I] would come over to Clinton's side. They didn't even bother to interview anyone. They just picked 70% for the hell of it. Also, notice that NBC didn't even bother to do a study on what Sanders' numbers against Trump would be if [I]Clinton[/I] were to drop out. Lets you know where their priorities are, I guess.[/QUOTE] There's going to be stronger concessions that the 2008 Election I can tell you that. Sanders is going to Re-write a significant chunk of the Party Platform.
Clinton lead over Trump wouldn't matter if we could just eliminate all candidates from the race and have a yes / no election. But that isn't very democratic, so this is a very stupid "what if" scenario.
[QUOTE=BANNED USER;50423351]Pretty sure Bernie would have double digits on Trump if Hillary were to drop out of the race.[/QUOTE] The denial is real.
[QUOTE=redBadger;50423698]The denial is real.[/QUOTE] On your part definitely.
Maybe Clinton would hold a double digit lead if she was a candidate worth voting for.
its almost like insulting a voter base wont make them vote for you.
[QUOTE=Llamaguy;50423716]On your part definitely.[/QUOTE] republicans don't want clinton in the white house, so almost every one of them will collectively vote for trump. and bernie can't even beat clinton
[QUOTE=redBadger;50423841]republicans don't want clinton in the white house, so almost every one of them will collectively vote for trump. and bernie can't even beat clinton[/QUOTE] Yeah, but lots of the votes for Trump seem to be reluctant from the average republicans even so.
[QUOTE=mcharest;50423418]I'd just like to point out this entire article is based off of the assumption that a full 70% of the BernieOrBust movement would ultimately switch to Clinton if Bernie dropped out. 70%. Nevermind that this is an overly optimistic assumption, it's also pure guesswork with no reasoning or evidence behind it. In other words, it's simply the percentage of Sanders supporters that NBC [I]thinks[/I] would come over to Clinton's side. They didn't even bother to interview anyone. They just picked 70% for the hell of it. Also, notice that NBC didn't even bother to do a study on what Sanders' numbers against Trump would be if [I]Clinton[/I] were to drop out. Lets you know where their priorities are, I guess.[/QUOTE] This isn't 70% of the "Bernie or Bust" movement - it's 70% of Bernie voters. Which is reasonable and has been corroborated by other polls. Bernie or Bust is not a majority of the Bernie voterbase. Not only that, but a fair percent of them plan to either not vote or vote Green or maybe Libertarian in protest - so not even the entirety of the Bernie or Bust movement is planning to swap over to Trump. The only possible way Sanders could get the presidency now is if Clinton picked him as VP to maintain more Sanders voters, and then she was indicted after winning the election and Sanders became President. That's an incredibly unlikely possibility, unfortunately.
[QUOTE=redBadger;50423841]republicans don't want clinton in the white house, so almost every one of them will collectively vote for trump. and bernie can't even beat clinton[/QUOTE] Excellent. So tell me why then RCP shows Bernie at +10.9 for the General Election versus Trump? Hell, Trump wouldn't even debate Sanders because of this. He can't go up against someone like Sanders who will poke so many holes in his logic.
[QUOTE=.Isak.;50423862]This isn't 70% of the "Bernie or Bust" movement - it's 70% of Bernie voters. Which is reasonable and has been corroborated by other polls. Bernie or Bust is not a majority of the Bernie voterbase. Not only that, but a fair percent of them plan to either not vote or vote Green or maybe Libertarian in protest - so not even the entirety of the Bernie or Bust movement is planning to swap over to Trump. The only possible way Sanders could get the presidency now is if Clinton picked him as VP to maintain more Sanders voters, and then she was indicted after winning the election and Sanders became President. That's an incredibly unlikely possibility, unfortunately.[/QUOTE] Are you sure? I understood "Sanders-only vote" to mean people who would only vote for Sanders. [quote=NBC]we recalculated the latest NBC/WSJ poll with Clinton capturing 70 percent of the Sanders-only vote.[/quote] At the very least it seems a bit ambiguous
[QUOTE=Llamaguy;50423866]Excellent. So tell me why then RCP shows Bernie at +10.9 for the General Election versus Trump? Hell, Trump wouldn't even debate Sanders because of this. He can't go up against someone like Sanders who will poke so many holes in his logic.[/QUOTE] I hate to burst your bubble but trump backed out of the debate because he had nothing to gain from it.
[QUOTE=1nfiniteseed;50423911]I hate to burst your bubble but trump backed out of the debate because he had nothing to gain from it.[/QUOTE] Except to pull more independents to his side for the G.E.? I think you're forgetting just how many independents Sanders pulls in.
[QUOTE=Llamaguy;50423919]Except to pull more independents to his side for the G.E.? I think you're forgetting just how many independents Sanders pulls in.[/QUOTE] And to just flat out humiliate and weaken Clinton further
[QUOTE=redBadger;50423841]republicans don't want clinton in the white house, so almost every one of them will collectively vote for trump. and bernie can't even beat clinton[/QUOTE] Because Clinton bought and paid for the nomination.
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;50423965]And to just flat out humiliate and weaken Clinton further[/QUOTE] It was very low energy to back out, that's for sure.
[QUOTE=mcharest;50423418]Also, notice that NBC didn't even bother to do a study on what Sanders' numbers against Trump would be if [I]Clinton[/I] were to drop out. Lets you know where their priorities are, I guess.[/QUOTE] It's getting harder to write about that because pollsters are winding down their Trump v Sanders polling
[QUOTE=.Isak.;50423862] The only possible way Sanders could get the presidency now is if Clinton picked him as VP to maintain more Sanders voters, and then she was indicted after winning the election and Sanders became President. That's an incredibly unlikely possibility, unfortunately.[/QUOTE] Or take the pledged delegate lead by winning california at around 60 percent. That would likely net him the nomination
[QUOTE=archangel125;50424070]Because Clinton bought and paid for the nomination.[/QUOTE] not really? there were plenty of states that clinton won fair and square. i despise the woman, but bernie doesn't stand a chance
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