Refugees life lost after fatal stabbing in refugeecenter Germany
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[quote]In a physical dispute in a shelter for asylum seekers in Hassloch in Rhineland-Pfalz, a 22-year-old man has been fatally injured. Police are investigating the body of the Afghan man now, who is to be autopsied.
During a dispute between two Afghans in a refugee center in Hassloch one of the parties was killed. A 26-year-old Afghan was arrested, as police and prosecutors announced on Tuesday.
What the cause of death for the 22-year old Afghan was, according to a police spokeswoman, was initially unknown. His body should be autopsied on Tuesday afternoon. Also on the background of the dispute, there was initially no information.
According to the investigators, the two Afghans were clashed on Monday just before midnight.[/quote]
[url=http://www.focus.de/regional/rheinland-pfalz/rheinland-pfalz-toedliche-stichverletzung-ein-toter-bei-streit-in-asylbewerberunterkunft_id_5155403.html]Source[/url]
I'm not saying there isn't a news story here, but as it is the story is: there is a fight between two refugees, and one of them is stabbed to death.
Headline says stab wounds, content says cause of death initially unknown.
???
[img]http://i.imgur.com/eb0x6a2.png[/img]
Please find something else to post about. I don't understand how or why someone who clearly hates these people as much as you do managed to volunteer at a refugee center.
[QUOTE=Doom64hunter;49338732]Headline says stab wounds, content says cause of death initially unknown.
???[/QUOTE]
Original source message has "stabwound" in the title.
[editline]18th December 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;49338739][img]http://i.imgur.com/eb0x6a2.png[/img]
Please find something else to post about. I don't understand how someone who clearly hates these people as much as you do managed to volunteer at a refugee center.[/QUOTE]
I do not hate anyone. I just see problems that many people are shuffling under the carpet because they want to be tolerant or progressive.
I want to increase awareness of real problems, and I like to have a discussional platform so people can see that criticism does not equal hate. A really grave logical phallacy that you've also just made.
If I hated them, I'd be pleading for them to be kicked out of the country. I'm not.
I'm pleading for helping them to better integrate, so that everyone is happier.
It's not that hard to get your head around really.
[QUOTE=Rumbler;49338750]I do not hate anyone. I just see problems that many people are shuffling under the carpet because they want to be tolerant or progressive.
I want to increase awareness of real problems, and I like to have a discussional platform so people can see that criticism does not equal hate. A really grave logical phallacy that you've also just made.
If I hated them, I'd be pleading for them to be kicked out of the country. I'm not.
I'm pleading for helping them to better integrate, so that everyone is happier.
It's not that hard to get your head around really.[/QUOTE]
No, I was just arguing with someone who did the same thing, so don't even. "They are just statistics, I just felt like posting them" is horse shit. There is a slant here and there can only be one reason you are so persistently focusing on only one topic.
You don't make pleas for integration by waving your arms around and saying "look at how violent and ungrateful these refugees are".
[QUOTE=Rumbler;49338750]Original source message has "stabwound" in the title.
[editline]18th December 2015[/editline]
I do not hate anyone. I just see problems that many people are shuffling under the carpet because they want to be tolerant or progressive.
I want to increase awareness of real problems, and I like to have a discussional platform so people can see that criticism does not equal hate. A really grave logical phallacy that you've also just made.
If I hated them, I'd be pleading for them to be kicked out of the country. I'm not.
I'm pleading for helping them to better integrate, so that everyone is happier.
It's not that hard to get your head around really.[/QUOTE]
Since you are working in the business, I get why this is of interest of you and want to let everyone know.
However, posting this much about is is actually taking away from the message. Especially considering this is an international forum which speaks english and your sources are almost all Dutch and about dutch subjects.
You might want to check out geenstijl.nl if you want to discuss the issue's here in The Netherlands. Its actually alot bigger than FP.
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;49338794]No, I was just arguing with someone who did the same thing, so don't even. "They are just statistics, I just felt like posting them" is horse shit. There is a slant here and there can only be one reason you are so persistently focusing on only one topic.
You don't make pleas for integration by waving your arms around and saying "look at how violent and ungrateful these refugees are".[/QUOTE]
Lol, that's hilarious.
I'll respond one more time, and after that we'll have to take this to PM's but:
1. You are dishonestly stating I'm saying "Oh I'm just posting these randomly"
I didn't say this. I literally said [quote]"I want to increase awareness of real problems, and I like to have a discussional platform so people can see that criticism does not equal hate. A really grave logical phallacy that you've also just made."[/quote]
2. I am persistently posting on this topic, and having discussions exactly because of how you're responding now. I am critical, and therefor in your mind, a racist who hates immigrants.
As long as so many people have that ignorant attitude, we need al the discussion and conversation we have time to.
3. What I post about is a large part of my real life as well. I'm not just posting, I'm (apparently pretending to be) a volunteer, and I'm active in local political debates. I get to fullfill my social needs, and gaming-talks in real life, so yes I'm exclusively devoting my forumtime here on this topic. Make of that what you will.
[b]Now please get back on topic. If you or anyone else has a problem with me personally then please contact me via PM. I'll gladly engage you in any questions or a discussion.[/b]
Guys let him post what he wants
Just because you disagree with him doesn't mean he should be prevented from posting this stuff. If you really have a problem with the amount of 'negative' press the issue is getting then post some of your own headlines that promote the successes of the current modus operandi of integration.
[QUOTE=technologic;49338956]Guys let him post what he wants
Just because you disagree with him doesn't mean he should be prevented from posting this stuff. If you really have a problem with the amount of 'negative' press the issue is getting then post some of your own headlines that promote the successes of the current modus operandi of integration.[/QUOTE]
Maybe we're tired of reading "brown person does bad thing" over and over from the same person who is claiming he only has good intentions. There are other things going on in the world.
[QUOTE=technologic;49338956]Guys let him post what he wants
Just because you disagree with him doesn't mean he should be prevented from posting this stuff. If you really have a problem with the amount of 'negative' press the issue is getting then post some of your own headlines that promote the successes of the current modus operandi of integration.[/QUOTE]
No one is saying he should be forcibly banned from posting what he wants, they are just critiquing him for his posts.
If he wants to post this shit he should face the discussion.
Just great. The headline makes it sound as if some "neo-nazi" went on a stabbing spree.
snip wrong thread
[QUOTE=technologic;49338956]Guys let him post what he wants
Just because you disagree with him doesn't mean he should be prevented from posting this stuff. If you really have a problem with the amount of 'negative' press the issue is getting then post some of your own headlines that promote the successes of the current modus operandi of integration.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I wonder if there is news of any of those refugees/immigrants having gotten a job like doctors, lawyers and engineers.
After all, the politicians who approved this reckless immigration plan assured us that they would be our future doctors, lawyers and engineers with the sort of qualification they had.
Therefore, it shouldn't be that hard for the people who keep complaining about these threads to find articles like that, right?
[QUOTE=Rumbler;49338853]Lol, that's hilarious.
I'll respond one more time, and after that we'll have to take this to PM's but:
1. You are dishonestly stating I'm saying "Oh I'm just posting these randomly"
I didn't say this. I literally said
2. I am persistently posting on this topic, and having discussions exactly because of how you're responding now. I am critical, and therefor in your mind, a racist who hates immigrants.
As long as so many people have that ignorant attitude, we need al the discussion and conversation we have time to.
3. What I post about is a large part of my real life as well. I'm not just posting, I'm (apparently pretending to be) a volunteer, and I'm active in local political debates. I get to fullfill my social needs, and gaming-talks in real life, so yes I'm exclusively devoting my forumtime here on this topic. Make of that what you will.
[b]Now please get back on topic. If you or anyone else has a problem with me personally then please contact me via PM. I'll gladly engage you in any questions or a discussion.[/b][/QUOTE]
Literally every single post you make are anti-immigration, there isn't anything to discuss cause it's obvious that the only thing you want to do is provoke a dialogue so that you can share with the world your heavily subjective views based on fractions of the actual wide-spread situation. What you're doing is encouraging fear and hatred, not providing useful or interesting information where you would expect to find it.
Oh boy, haven't had one of these threads in 6 minutes! I don't care what side of a debate you're on, pro-immigration, anti-immigration, pro-duck fucking, it doesn't matter. Tired of hearing about it non-stop. This and TRUMP DID WHAAAAAT?
[QUOTE=Jordax;49339015]Yeah, I wonder if there is news of any of those refugees/immigrants having gotten a job like doctors, lawyers and engineers.
After all, the politicians who approved this reckless immigration plan assured us that they would be our future doctors, lawyers and engineers with the sort of qualification they had.
Therefore, it shouldn't be that hard for the people who keep complaining about these threads to find articles like that, right?[/QUOTE]
Who writes articles about [I]any[/I] people getting jobs like becoming doctors, lawyers and engineers? Mainstream media is not representative of the world.
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;49338978]Maybe we're tired of reading "brown person does bad thing" over and over from the same person who is claiming he only has good intentions. There are other things going on in the world.[/QUOTE]
Maybe he is posting this story to reveal that his government's handling of refugee shelters leads to unsafe conditions?
If you don't want to see threads about the status of refugees in the Netherlands then don't click the threads??? Like I got bored of Gamergate awhile ago so I don't bother with those threads when they still occasionally pop up.
[QUOTE=Flameon;49338981]No one is saying he should be forcibly banned from posting what he wants, they are just critiquing him for his posts.
If he wants to post this shit he should face the discussion.[/QUOTE]
About the topic at hand. Not him. He has already stated that if you want to talk about him he will gladly do it in PM's because this is the news section, not the interrogation room.
[editline]17th December 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;49339029]Literally every single post you make are anti-immigration, there isn't anything to discuss cause it's obvious that the only thing you want to do is provoke a dialogue so that you can share with the world your heavily subjective views based on fractions of the actual wide-spread situation. What you're doing is encouraging fear and hatred, not providing useful or interesting information where you would expect to find it.[/QUOTE]
I don't get a "Fuck refugees" vibe from his posts. Talking to him earlier seems to indicate he is more against the way his government is handling the situation than the people themselves. He has outright stated that he doesn't blame the refugees for being in this situation.
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;49339053]Who writes articles about [I]any[/I] people getting jobs like becoming doctors, lawyers and engineers? Mainstream media is not representative of the world.[/QUOTE]
what? you mean [I]they[/I] can get formal educations now?
[QUOTE=Cone;49339171]what? you mean [I]they[/I] can get formal educations now?[/QUOTE]
You are completely missing my point.
Since when the fuck is having some kind of political opinion and posting about it often a bad thing?
Is this like a liberal thing, wanting to close your eyes and ears from all opposing views?
I've been noticing it more and more
[QUOTE=NotMeh;49339476]Since when the fuck is having some kind of political opinion and posting about it often a bad thing?
Is this like a liberal thing, wanting to close your eyes and ears from all opposing views?
I've been noticing it more and more[/QUOTE]
I land on the conservative side of the political spectrum but there are more things going on in the world than incidents among the thousands of refugees in the Netherlands. Rumbler insists he isn't anti-immigration/refugee yet refuses to share or discuss any news that doesn't focus solely on how awful they all must be.
Obviously we can expect incidents among war-weary people (it doesn't matter if they're coming from Syria or not; much of the Middle East has been heavily affected) from many different complex ethnic backgrounds and who are simply not as modern as the countries they're being moved into. This is neither particularly shocking nor is it news.
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;49339583]I land on the conservative side of the political spectrum but there are more things going on in the world than incidents among the thousands of refugees in the Netherlands.[/QUOTE]
Ok then post them. No one is stopping you.
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;49339395]You are completely missing my point.[/QUOTE]
no i agree with you, i'm insinuating that he thinks a refugee being a doctor or lawyer would be newsworthy in itself, like it's a concept hitherto unknown to society
[QUOTE=Cone;49339770]no i agree with you, i'm insinuating that he thinks a refugee being a doctor or lawyer would be newsworthy in itself, like it's a concept hitherto unknown to society[/QUOTE]
On that note: That actually appeared in a news story here a bit ago, as really small aside in a longer story about the evaporation of fear after the arrival of refugees in a German village.
I'll try to find it, and the statistics release I posted before that debunks all of Rumbler's "[refugees are criminals!]" threads...
In the interest of not repeating myself, here's the link to that post: [url]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1497130&p=49295476&viewfull=1#post49295476[/url]
[QUOTE=NotMeh;49339476]Since when the fuck is having some kind of political opinion and posting about it often a bad thing?
Is this like a liberal thing, wanting to close your eyes and ears from all opposing views?
I've been noticing it more and more[/QUOTE]
It's the constant 'nudge-nudge' dog-whistling that is the shitty thing. Pretending as if you are some innocent question asking crusader is disingenuous when you are specifically looking to inflame a certain reaction. Especially so if you are doing it in a way which conceals the whole story. I mean, we are talking about Rumbler after all. The person who was banned a month ago for posting a video about immigrant youths mocking the Paris attack victims which, unsurprisingly, was a complete fake.
[QUOTE=NotMeh;49339476]Since when the fuck is having some kind of political opinion and posting about it often a bad thing?
Is this like a liberal thing, wanting to close your eyes and ears from all opposing views?
I've been noticing it more and more[/QUOTE]
This can go both ways. ignoring opposing arguments is bad, but so is getting all news from one source (like only watching fox news, msnbc, etc) or only listing positives or negatives of something.
But one cannot argue that ignoring opposing points is a liberal thing. May I remind you of the "debate" about climate change, evolution, etc? All examples of conservatives ignoring fact.
Its not an issue with a certain political opinion. It is an issue of mindset that transcends political opinion
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;49338739][img]http://i.imgur.com/eb0x6a2.png[/img]
Please find something else to post about. I don't understand how or why someone who clearly hates these people as much as you do managed to volunteer at a refugee center.[/QUOTE]
Local man faces problems that affect him, posts his opinion on issue that is of national debate and directly affects him. Millions shocked / offended.
funny how a few bans mean BDA is "pushing an agenda" yet [B]twenty three threads[/B] in the span of four weeks, only two of them NOT about refugees or muslims (even fake news in one occasion) is glossed over as a 'just guy posting important news'
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;49344303]funny how a few bans mean BDA is "pushing an agenda" yet [B]twenty three threads[/B] in the span of four weeks, only two of them NOT about refugees or muslims (even fake news in one occasion) is glossed over as a 'just guy posting important news'[/QUOTE]
People have been accused of having an agenda for when Sobotnik posted 1-2 threads on Venezuela a month (actual important issues rather than hearsay refugee stories), or when I posted good news about cops when people were whining about them last year.
It's quite strange
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