Gaben pretty much saved PC gaming. Considering PS4 and XONE are comparable to 2011-2012 PC hardware, i don't see a threat anytime soon.
[QUOTE=MatheusMCardoso;45409798]Gaben pretty much saved PC gaming. Considering PS4 and XONE are comparable to 2011-2012 PC hardware, i don't see a threat anytime soon.[/QUOTE]
If you think hardware is the only reason, you're sorely mistaken. The PC market has recently taken several gut punches, being considered untrustworthy, the lack of quality control and the actual real threat of being scammed out of money without Steam doing anything. You don't see those with Console games, because Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft control what games are going to be on console to a certain degree. They also produce their own games to push their own consoles and games to the limit.
You don't see that with PC games because there's always that 'Eh, just get better hardware'.
The only console really worth buying, I think, is the Wii U, and only because of its amazing exclusives and lower price. Hell, every game on PS4/Xbone (short of Uncharted 4) can be found on PC or doesn't have the same fanbase. The Wii U on the other hand... with Smash, Mario Kart 8 and others on the horizon, as soon as the next Metroid game gets announced I'm sold.
I'm not too worried. If PC gaming falls, Razer will definitely be here to save it.
[QUOTE=Swilly;45409958]If you think hardware is the only reason, you're sorely mistaken. The PC market has recently taken several gut punches, being considered untrustworthy, the lack of quality control and the actual real threat of being scammed out of money without Steam doing anything. You don't see those with Console games, because Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft control what games are going to be on console to a certain degree. They also produce their own games to push their own consoles and games to the limit.
You don't see that with PC games because there's always that 'Eh, just get better hardware'.[/QUOTE]
What? Even the most flawed PC games still run better than their console releases...
[QUOTE]It didn't take long for PCs to surpass the graphical capabilities of consoles.[/QUOTE]
Uh yeah no shit, the x360 and ps3 were surpassed by PCs graphically the day they came out...
[QUOTE=Swilly;45409958]If you think hardware is the only reason, you're sorely mistaken. The PC market has recently taken several gut punches, being considered untrustworthy, the lack of quality control and the actual real threat of being scammed out of money without Steam doing anything. You don't see those with Console games, because Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft control what games are going to be on console to a certain degree. They also produce their own games to push their own consoles and games to the limit.[/QUOTE]
None of the current-gen consoles are able to be used as a platform for "high-quality gameplay", though, because the PS4 is severely lacking in high-quality exclusives and the WiiU and XBone aren't big enough to really shape the image of console gaming as a whole right now. The PC's weakest point, it's lack of quality control (which is mostly Valve's fault) is being compared to nothing so nobody else can gain from it.
I'd say that the whole PC games comeback is here to stay for a good while yet. The naysayers since I got into PC games in 2010 have all but disappeared. PC games are still breathing down the neck of consoles despite some people saying that it would end with the release of the new consoles. The fact as well that there are some companies and hell even users themselves waving the flag also helps immensely in keeping PC games in the public view where as before I don't think it was really there.
[QUOTE='[LOA] SonofBrim;45410125']Hell, every game on PS4/Xbone (short of Uncharted 4) can be found on PC or doesn't have the same fanbase.[/QUOTE]
Metal Gear Solid V
Halo
Most fighting games
PC gaming has been around for over 30 years. It's not going away.
[QUOTE=LTJGPliskin;45410675]Metal Gear Solid V
Halo
Most fighting games[/QUOTE]
i thought mgs5 was gonna come out on pc?
[QUOTE=a-cookie;45410729]i thought mgs5 was gonna come out on pc?[/QUOTE]
it was a rumor that may happen.
[QUOTE=Socram;45410507]Uh yeah no shit, the x360 and ps3 were surpassed by PCs graphically the day they came out...[/QUOTE]
and 'next gen' consoles today can't even go above 30fps most of the time
[video=youtube;K-oWF4woDXw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-oWF4woDXw[/video]
or at least, they can't YET
I'm not really liking where the future of PC gaming is going. There needs to be a fine balance between business practice and quality product but with stuff like greenlight, kickstarter and early access it completely it doesn't leave me too hopeful. I've only heard bad things about Steam support, EA is continuing its downright horrible practices, Ubisoft are cutting corners, it seems like 85% of new games are just sequels and the average player doesn't know their statutory rights. PC is very much becoming a shovelware platform when you can pump out absolute garbage and people pay money for it because of the gross misrepresentation or "lel its so randumb! xD"
[QUOTE='[LOA] SonofBrim;45410125']The only console really worth buying, I think, is the Wii U, and only because of its amazing exclusives and lower price. Hell, every game on PS4/Xbone (short of Uncharted 4) can be found on PC or doesn't have the same fanbase. The Wii U on the other hand... with Smash, Mario Kart 8 and others on the horizon, as soon as the next Metroid game gets announced I'm sold.[/QUOTE]
I bought a Wii U last week just to play Mario Kart 8, amazing game, wish I could add four Wii U Gamepads to the thing though, shame that's not going to be possible.
[QUOTE=Midas22;45410872]I'm not really liking where the future of PC gaming is going. There needs to be a fine balance between business practice and quality product but with stuff like greenlight, kickstarter and early access it completely it doesn't leave me too hopeful. I've only heard bad things about Steam support, EA is continuing its downright horrible practices, Ubisoft are cutting corners and it seems like 85% of new games are just sequels that bring nothing new to the table and the average player doesn't know their statutory rights.[/QUOTE]
the biggest thing we need to accomplish first is to remove the line between PC and console
PC and console games, once they are breeze to port to eachother, will be a huge deal.
Additionally, kicking greenlight out, educating about early access and giving early access a better plan to reduce being scammed, reducing shit DLC practicing and killing DRM. That's what we need to do.
Educating people into not buying ironically and getting people to research before they buy shit games is also key.
also preorders can eat a butt
Considering PCs will forever have mods and freeware, the PC will never go down.
I had a friend a couple of years ago trying to convince me that the "XBox 720 will be the death of PC gaming"
Yeah, how'd that one work out?
[editline]16th July 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=J!NX;45410913]Additionally, kicking greenlight out, educating about early access and giving early access a 1 month refund plan, reducing shit DLC practicing and killing DRM. That's what we need to do.[/QUOTE]
Uh, I don't think the 1-month refund thing'll work unless it only happens once the game is actually released or updates just stop. The point of early access is to help development, not to consider it a full product beforehand.
[QUOTE=gk99;45411008]Considering PCs will forever have mods and freeware, the PC will never go down.
I had a friend a couple of years ago trying to convince me that the "XBox 720 will be the death of PC gaming"
Yeah, how'd that one work out?
[editline]16th July 2014[/editline]
Uh, I don't think the 1-month refund thing'll work unless it only happens once the game is actually released or updates just stop. The point of early access is to help development, not to consider it a full product beforehand.[/QUOTE]
Fair enough then, was just some shitty idea off the top of my head but that makes a lot more sense.
refund deadlines could work. No major update in 3 weeks or many minor updates, etc.
PC Gaming is going to stay not because consoles are weak, but because it [I]somehow[/I] has a userbase despite the "scene" being a huge pile of garbage. You get better graphics, free online capabilities, and are free to mess with your files and hardware in exchange for curated storefronts, good customer support, refunds, development priority, plug-and-play packages, etc. It's amazing PC gaming is alive, let alone thriving.
[editline]16th July 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=J!NX;45411173]Fair enough then, was just some shitty idea off the top of my head but that makes a lot more sense.
refund deadlines could work. No major update in 3 weeks or many minor updates, etc.[/QUOTE]
How about just don't buy early access stuff if you don't like how it currently is? Draconian rule-sets like that could ruin good indies trying to get into early access who can't guarantee constant updates.
As much as one would like to blame someone else, the biggest problem PC gaming faces is the consumers themselves, and how they get to make decisions they aren't informed enough to make. The only real things one could blame on devs that's exclusive to PC is garbage DRM (ubisoft), rampant gamification (valve) and scumbag nickel-and-diming tactics (countless F2P devs), and even those could be stopped if people [I]stopped buying into that shit.[/I]
[QUOTE=latin_geek;45411187]PC Gaming is going to stay not because consoles are weak, but because it [I]somehow[/I] has a userbase despite the "scene" being a huge pile of garbage. You get better graphics, free online capabilities, and are free to mess with your files and hardware in exchange for curated storefronts, refunds, development priority, plug-and-play packages, etc. It's amazing PC gaming is alive, let alone thriving.[/QUOTE]
that plus, PC gaming is the ultimate "pay what you want"
don't want a high end PC? don't get it. Don't want to spend tons of money on games? Try indie or use steam sales or humble bundle, or even trade games. Not comfortable with a certain brand? Make your own PC, use your own operating system, do whatever you want. There isn't just "Nintendo, Microsoft and Sony", sure there are three OS's but they're much more different than the difference between two of the consoles, and PC gaming is much more versatile than consoles.
[QUOTE=latin_geek;45411187]How about just don't buy early access stuff if you don't like how it currently is? Draconian rule-sets like that could ruin good indies trying to get into early access who can't guarantee constant updates.
As much as one would like to blame someone else, the biggest problem PC gaming faces is the consumers themselves, and how they get to make decisions they aren't informed enough to make. The only real things one could blame on devs that's exclusive to PC is garbage DRM (ubisoft), rampant gamification (valve) and scumbag nickel-and-diming tactics (countless F2P devs), and even those could be stopped if people [I]stopped buying into that shit.[/I][/QUOTE]
The only time I've been happy with Early access was space engineers. Beam NG and overgrowth, not really.
but I don't blame you for not liking that idea, it was just "Off the top of the head"
I PC gamed since 2002, and I've console gamed since 95. PCs have almost always bested the consoles at every turn. Yeah, the PCs required more effort and weren't just "pick up and play" like old consoles were at the time, but they definitely gave a much more complete experience than consoles.
Like someone else on the thread said, PC gaming has been around a long time, and it isn't going anywhere anytime soon.
They have separate markets really even though they have the same games. PC is usually dominated by people that take there gaming seriously. Your Average Joe on the other hand is just gonna wanna sit down and play some PS4 after a hard day at work. Neither one is really any threat to another.
[editline]16th July 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=a-cookie;45410729]i thought mgs5 was gonna come out on pc?[/QUOTE]
No, it was just some hear say that everyone on FP took as a fact
I sort of enjoyed the previous long console generation. I didn't have a 360/PS3, but I saw the benefit that we all had, which was that developers had to push optimization to the limit to squeeze as much graphical juice out of the hardware as possible, to the point where we still saw graphical developments and improvements even in the last couple of years of their lifespan. This was great for guys like me who, at the time, couldn't afford to buy new PC hardware to keep up with what had previously been a much faster hardware cycle.
For a while I've wondered if PC Gaming has been disappearing, but I swear, in the last couple months its made a huge rebound or something. With these "Next-Gen" consoles not actually providing a big difference between its older counter-part, the console players have felt ripped off, and with PC hardware dropping, people are just moving over.
[QUOTE=MatheusMCardoso;45409798]Gaben pretty much saved PC gaming. Considering PS4 and XONE are comparable to 2011-2012 PC hardware, i don't see a threat anytime soon.[/QUOTE]
Hardware really has nothing to do with it. It doesn't matter to your average person if they have the latest and greatest hardware. Especially since on a PC, since pretty much all we get are either console ports and less resource heavy indie games, the extra power isn't being leveraged. Plus most people don't want to spend enough on a PC for the hardware difference to be that noticeable.
Consoles have had a larger userbase than PCs for games because they're such an accessible format. Now, the latest console generation has been totally underwhelming so people don't want to shell out for them. Also, indie games that don't need particularly advanced hardware are getting more and more popular so you get games that run on more people's PCs and many of these games are only on the PC. There's a lot more to it than that, but hardware is not an important factor.
[QUOTE='[LOA] SonofBrim;45410125']The only console really worth buying, I think, is the Wii U, and only because of its amazing exclusives and lower price. Hell, every game on PS4/Xbone (short of Uncharted 4) can be found on PC or doesn't have the same fanbase. The Wii U on the other hand... with Smash, Mario Kart 8 and others on the horizon, as soon as the next Metroid game gets announced I'm sold.[/QUOTE]
Sony have always had good first and second party support, even good third party exclusives. I'm buying a PS4 for MGSV, Deep Down, Infamous (even if it isn't the greatest), The Last of Us HD, and all the Sony exclusives and Japanese games that are bound to come out over the next 10 years.
For someone like me who has never been a fan of Nintendo stuff Smash, Mario Kart, and Metroid mean nothing to me. Zelda is looking pretty good though.
Pc gaming is more accessable than its ever been and a large reason for that is the realatively cheap outlay for a pc that can actually play games ( not at the best settings by far). Honestly many of my friends now have a bog standard home pc thats able to play bf4. They didnt set out to get a pc for that reason but its an added bonus, you buy a console just for games and im sorry but most people 'grow' out of games weither by choice or otherwise.
The cheap entry fee for pc gaming has bought alot of new ex console players into the mix and well that wont ever change.
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