[QUOTE]Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul is poised to officially join the 2016 presidential race today, hoping to remake the Republican Party with a mix of libertarian and conservative ideals that can attract minorities and young people.
Paul is scheduled to declare his candidacy at a rally in Louisville, Ky.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2015/04/07/rand-paul-president-2016-announcement/25041783/[/url]
Better than a lot of the other nut jobs on the republican side....
Good.
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;47474046]Better than a lot of the other nut jobs on the republican side....[/QUOTE]
People rate this disagree, but can they name someone better?
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;47474046]Better than a lot of the other nut jobs on the republican side....[/QUOTE]
You can polish a turd but it's still a turd.
[QUOTE=AtomicWaffle;47474343]You can polish a turd but it's still a turd.[/QUOTE]
Our choices are always between turds of varying conditions. I would rather a polished republican turd over a democrat turd in diarrhea form, and vice versa.
How is Rand a polished turd anyways? hes really moderate with a slight conservative side which is honestly what we need as a country since their is such a divide between the right and left. Out of everyone thats running this guy is the most down to earth, intelligent (hes an eye surgeon for christ sake) and just plain personable. He not only wants to audit the fed reserve but wants to bring back liberty and actually do things the right way besides giving weapons to puppet governments and drug dealers.
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;47474046]Better than a lot of the other nut jobs on the republican side....[/QUOTE]
Better at being one of said nut jobs, yes.
[QUOTE=Bradyns;47474412]Better at being one of said nut jobs, yes.[/QUOTE]
Sorry But Im just failing to see how hes a jut job. You can state whatever you want but it doesnt make it true.
[QUOTE=Smoked2Joints;47474423]Sorry But Im just failing to see how hes a jut job. You can state whatever you want but it doesnt make it true.[/QUOTE]
Anti-choice, anti-same sex marriage, and...
"In February 2015, Paul suggested that states should not require parents to vaccinate their children because parents should have the freedom to make that decision for their children."
I'm not about to vote for someone who is cool with parents letting their kids die of horrible yet preventable diseases.
Still better than pretty much any republican. I mean, if you look at all his views, instead of just focusing on the negative, the dude is pretty fucking lenient. I'd certainly take him over Hilary.
[QUOTE=Dalndox;47474441]Anti-choice, anti-same sex marriage, and...
"In February 2015, Paul suggested that states should not require parents to vaccinate their children because parents should have the freedom to make that decision for their children."
I'm not about to vote for someone who is cool with parents letting their kids die of horrible yet preventable diseases.[/QUOTE]
Well, he fits the nut job definition.
[QUOTE=Megadave;47474339]People rate this disagree, but can they name someone better?[/QUOTE]
Even Bachmann is less of a loon.
[QUOTE=Dalndox;47474441]Anti-choice, anti-same sex marriage, and...
"In February 2015, Paul suggested that states should not require parents to vaccinate their children because parents should have the freedom to make that decision for their children."
I'm not about to vote for someone who is cool with parents letting their kids die of horrible yet preventable diseases.[/QUOTE]
I never said he was some perfect candidate, but he's better than Romney or someone like Sarah Palin. I would prefer Dr. Ben Carson, but I don't think he is going to run.
[QUOTE=asteroidrules;47474503]Even Bachmann is less of a loon.[/QUOTE]
That's a bit of a stretch, at least he ain't some die-hard christian who thinks the world started only 5000 years ago.
Honestly hes better than every candidate running for 2016. ted cruz? fuck that. Hillary? double fuck that. Jeb? 9/11 fuck that. I mean his views on same sex marriage and abortion can change I really dont care either way because Im not a fetus nor am I homosex. Sure its a womans right to do so what she pleases with her body but it should be her responsibility to use contraception if she doesn't want a child. Thats just my PO.
[QUOTE=Smoked2Joints;47474609]Honestly hes better than every candidate running for 2016. ted cruz? fuck that. Hillary? double fuck that. Jeb? 9/11 fuck that. I mean his views on same sex marriage and abortion can change I really dont care either way because Im not a fetus nor am I homosex. Sure its a womans right to do so what she pleases with her body but it should be her responsibility to use contraception if she doesn't want a child. Thats just my PO.[/QUOTE]
I'm mostly of the same opinion, though switch hillary and rand.
[sp]Bernie pls run and win.[/sp]
You really want bernie sanders and hillary to win? Goodbye liberties.
So, there is no actual party system in the US, but only two real candidates for presidency per election?
Did I get that right, or am I missing something that prevents you lot from going for a third option?
[QUOTE=Megadave;47474339]People rate this disagree, but can they name someone better?[/QUOTE]
[quote] In 2009, his position was to ban abortion under all circumstances. Since 2010, he has said he would allow for a doctor's discretion in life-threatening cases such as ectopic pregnancies. Paul takes a neutral stance on same-sex marriage, believing the issue should be left to the states to decide and would not support a federal ban. [...] Paul does not believe in legalizing the recreational use of drugs like marijuana and cocaine, but supports state laws to legalize the use of marijuana for medical purposes. [...] Rand opposes all forms of gun control as a violation of Second Amendment rights, including provisions of the Patriot Act.[/quote]
I don't have to be able to name someone better to tell you that he does not have my vote. I'd rather vote for no one. Also:
[quote]He is generally described as a libertarian, a term he both embraced and rejected during his first Senate campaign.[/quote]
What?
[editline]7th April 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Ager O'Eggers;47474746]So, there is no actual party system in the US, but only two real candidates for presidency per election?
Did I get that right, or am I missing something that prevents you lot from going for a third option?[/QUOTE]
Nothing prevents us from going for a third option except the toxic public belief that a vote for a third party is a wasted vote because "they never win." They win all the time on the local level, but the public has some kinda mental block about them in presidential elections.
When you have a name like something out of one of Ayn Rand's books it makes one hesitant to listen to you.
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;47474509]I never said he was some perfect candidate, but he's better than Romney or someone like Sarah Palin. I would prefer Dr. Ben Carson, but I don't think he is going to run.[/QUOTE]
You could just not vote republican.
I mean, just stating the obvious for the sake of it, but you really could just not vote for the party who could be outclassed by a selection of exceptionally average 5 year olds.
[QUOTE=Smoked2Joints;47474406]How is Rand a polished turd anyways? hes really moderate with a slight conservative side which is honestly what we need as a country since their is such a divide between the right and left. Out of everyone thats running this guy is the most down to earth, intelligent (hes an eye surgeon for christ sake) and just plain personable. He not only wants to audit the fed reserve but wants to bring back liberty and actually do things the right way besides giving weapons to puppet governments and drug dealers.[/QUOTE]
Because he also has a tin-foil hat streak, was for gay rights until they started being inconvieniant, super-anti abortion, and still doesn't believe in climate change and is pro-coal, anti-vaxxer until that became inconvieniant and libertarian on some level
The primaries have shifted him moderate but whether he stays there remains to be seen, he claims to have the youth vote but his middle shift has made him abandon all that the youth voters look for
[QUOTE=Ager O'Eggers;47474746]So, there is no actual party system in the US, but only two real candidates for presidency per election?
Did I get that right, or am I missing something that prevents you lot from going for a third option?[/QUOTE]
Aside from independents the sides have an electoral race of sorts and go through and a process of elimination to be the presidential candidate of their party. So in the end the republicans and democrats have their presidential candidate backed by millions in campaign funds and tv network support which leave the independents to fend for themselves and be eventually forgotten about since they can't compete with the well oiled bi-partisanship system.
why do i have a feeling we gonna go into another recession
I like him more than any Republican, and I strongly dislike democrats, but, I'll probably still end up voting third party.
[QUOTE=mastfire;47474936]why do i have a feeling we gonna go into another recession[/QUOTE]
Our entire financial system runs off of debt so recessions are inevitable.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;47474783]I don't have to be able to name someone better to tell you that he does not have my vote. I'd rather vote for no one. Also:
What?
[editline]7th April 2015[/editline]
Nothing prevents us from going for a third option except the toxic public belief that a vote for a third party is a wasted vote because "they never win." They win all the time on the local level, but the public has some kinda mental block about them in presidential elections.[/QUOTE]
I'm still hoping Gary Johnson can kick the shit out of all of them.
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;47474046]Better than a lot of the other nut jobs on the republican side....[/QUOTE]
I actually think I can say without sounding hyperbolic that Rand Paul might just be among the top 5 nuttiest republicans in the federal government.
[editline]7th April 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Smoked2Joints;47474406]How is Rand a polished turd anyways? hes really moderate with a slight conservative side which is honestly what we need as a country since their is such a divide between the right and left. Out of everyone thats running this guy is the most down to earth, intelligent (hes an eye surgeon for christ sake) and just plain personable. He not only wants to audit the fed reserve but wants to bring back liberty and actually do things the right way besides giving weapons to puppet governments and drug dealers.[/QUOTE]
Let's see some of his "moderate" views:
source: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Rand_Paul[/url]
[quote]Paul supports cutting government spending, [b]a balanced budget amendment[/b][/quote]
[quote]He also opposes the Federal Reserve Act of 1913 and the Federal Reserve's control of the money supply and interest rates.[/quote]
[quote]Paul is opposed to abortion.[/quote]
[quote]Paul favors a federal ban on abortion[/quote]
[quote]Paul opposes same-sex marriage, saying that same-sex marriages "offends" him ... it is as a "moral crisis that allows people to think that there would be some sort of other marriage" ... "We need another Great Awakening with tent revivals of thousands of people saying 'reform or see what's going to happen if we don't reform" and stated "There is a role for us trying to figure out a thing like marriage" and, "The First Amendment says keep government out of religion, not religion out of government."
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[quote]In April 2010, in an interview on Louisville Courier-Journal, he said "I think it's a bad business decision to exclude anybody from your restaurant — but, at the same time, I do believe in private ownership."[52] On May 20, 2010, in an interview on MSNBC's The Rachel Maddow Show, [b]he suggested he would have wanted to modify one section of the Civil Rights Act that dealt with private institutions[/b], while keeping the parts prohibiting discrimination in the public sector.[/quote]
[quote]Paul supports returning control of education to local communities and parents and thus eliminating the federal Department of Education[/quote]
[quote]Paul opposes all gun control legislation[/quote]
[quote]In response to a question from radio host Laura Ingraham in February 2015, Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky said that while he is not "anti-vaccine" at all, he does think they should be voluntary. In response to a follow-up question on CNBC, Paul stated ""I've heard of many tragic cases of walking, talking normal children who wound up with profound mental disorders after vaccines."[/quote]
[quote]Paul ... opposes federal government involvement in healthcare[/quote]
[quote]He is in favor of repealing the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, commonly referred to as Obamacare
...
[b]"Just because a couple people on the Supreme Court declare something to be 'constitutional' does not make it so.[/b][/quote]
[quote][b]He opposes birthright citizenship[/b] for children of illegal immigrants.[78] Paul has said that [b]courts should review the 14th Amendment[/b], which guarantees citizenship to "all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof," to conclude whether or not it should apply to the children of illegal immigrants[/quote]
[quote]Paul believes the issue of medical marijuana is a states' rights issue and that the federal government should not interfere.[81] In August, the Associated Press reported that Paul said he was [b]opposed to the legalization of marijuana[/b] for medicinal purposes,[82] but the Paul campaign states he was misquoted.[81] Though [b]Paul describes himself as a "social conservative,"[/b][/quote]
and the only sane opinion I could find:
[quote]In 2009, Paul put forth the theory that Dick Cheney exploited the September 11 attacks in order to push for war against Iraq so that Halliburton, Cheney's old company, would profit from it.[/quote]
I think foreign policy wise, he has a good idea about the specifics of our most recent forays into iraq and afghanistan but I think that he, as part of his pseudo-libertarian ideology, is an isolationist at heart, and opposes middle east intervention not based on the logistics or reasoning of the whole situation, but because he simply hates the [b]existence[/b] of foreign policy, which I think is dangerous.
Ron Paul is way less nutty than his own son.
Just...let that sink in.
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