• Asshole LHC was asked to confirm theory of supersymmetry - decided to prove it wrong instead
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[img]http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/54840000/jpg/_54840839_supersymmetric_particle_production-spl.jpg[/img] [I]Beautiful imagery like this probably doesn't exist, LHC finds[/I] [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-20300100[/url] [quote=BBC News][B]Researchers at the Large Hadron Collider have detected one of the rarest particle decays seen in Nature.[/B] The finding deals a significant blow to the theory of physics known as supersymmetry. Many researchers had hoped the LHC would have confirmed this by now. Supersymmetry, or SUSY, has gained popularity as a way to explain some of the inconsistencies in the traditional theory of subatomic physics known as the Standard Model. The new observation, reported at the Hadron Collider Physics conference in Kyoto, is not consistent with many of the most likely models of SUSY. Prof Chris Parkes, who is the spokesperson for the UK Participation in the LHCb experiment, told BBC News: "Supersymmetry may not be dead but these latest results have certainly put it into hospital." Supersymmetry theorises the existence of more massive versions of particles that have already been detected. Their existence would help explain why galaxies appear to rotate faster than the Standard Model would suggest. Physicists have speculated that as well as the particles we know about, galaxies contain invisible, undetected dark matter made up of super particles. The galaxies therefore contain more mass than we can detect and so spin faster. Researchers at the LHCb detector have dealt a serious blow to this idea. They have measured the decay between a particle known as a Bs Meson into two particles known as muons. It is the first time that this decay has been observed and the team has calculated that for every billion times that the Bs Meson decays it only decays in this way three times. If superparticles were to exist the decay would happen far more often. This test is one of the "golden" tests for supersymmetry and it is one that on the face of it this hugely popular theory among physicists has failed. Prof Val Gibson, leader of the Cambridge LHCb team, said that the new result was "putting our supersymmetry theory colleagues in a spin". The results are in fact completely in line with what one would expect from the Standard Model. There is already concern that the LHCb's sister detectors might have expected to have detected superparticles by now, yet none have been found so far. If supersymmetry is not an explanation for dark matter, then theorists will have to find alternative ideas to explain those inconsistencies in the Standard Model. So far researchers who are racing to find evidence of so called "new physics" have run into a series of dead ends. "If new physics exists, then it is hiding very well behind the Standard Model," commented Cambridge physicist Dr Marc-Olivier Bettler, a member of the analysis team. The result does not rule out the possibility that super particles exist. But according to Prof Parkes, "they are running out of places to hide". Supporters of supersymmetry, however, such as Prof John Ellis of King's College London said that the observation is "quite consistent with supersymmetry". "In fact," he said "(it) was actually expected in (some) supersymmetric models. I certainly won't lose any sleep over the result."[/quote]
[quote]"Supersymmetry may not be dead but these latest results have certainly put it into hospital." [/quote]Get well soon, Supersymmetry.
Scumbag Supercollider
Holy shit, supersymmetry is almost disproven? This is HUGE, guys. A significant portion of particle physics has been based on it for the last forty years or so IIRC. [editline]12th November 2012[/editline] Oh, wait. Some scientists are saying that it PROVES it. Typical.
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[QUOTE=Naaz;38421813]Holy shit, supersymmetry is almost disproven? This is HUGE, guys. A significant portion of particle physics has been based on it for the last forty years or so IIRC. [editline]12th November 2012[/editline] Oh, wait. Some scientists are saying that it PROVES it. Typical.[/QUOTE] If it disproves 40 years worth of work in an entire field of physics then I think you'd want to double triple check
BREAKING: The Large Hadron Collider has been arrested after assaulting supersymmetry theory outside a bar in Geneva
[QUOTE=smurfy;38421890]BREAKING: The Large Hadron Collider has been arrested after assaulting supersymmetry theory outside a bar in Geneva[/QUOTE] theoretical physicists estimate offender's sentence may last anywhere from 4 exaseconds to a cosmological decade without parole
go home lhc yo'ure drunk
[quote]Prof Val Gibson, leader of the Cambridge LHCb team, said that the new result was "putting our supersymmetry theory colleagues in a spin".[/quote] He made a funny.
Could someone explain in layman terms what this disproves and also give some layman term examples of what theories are affected by this knowledge? Really, I did try to read the article.
I guess their predictions about the Bs meson were BS.
[QUOTE=Simski;38422027]Could someone explain in layman terms what this disproves and also give some layman term examples of what theories are affected by this knowledge? Really, I did try to read the article.[/QUOTE] People used to think things were a certain way then an experiment showed that things might be another way and this greatly affects the way we think about things; particularly the way these things work.
Surely if this disproves it the entire point of the LHC has gone out the window, because it was looking for particles that people only think exist due to this theory.
If true wouldn't this make Higgs discovery pointless?
[QUOTE=Falubii;38421973]He made a funny.[/QUOTE] Physicist humor. :rolleyes:
[QUOTE=yawmwen;38422065]People used to think things were a certain way then an experiment showed that things might be another way and this greatly affects the way we think about things; particularly the way these things work.[/QUOTE] Just as I thought.
[QUOTE=Jsm;38422106]Surely if this disproves it the entire point of the LHC has gone out the window, because it was looking for particles that people only think exist due to this theory.[/QUOTE] Disproving theories which are wrong is a very important and underplayed part of any science, and there are always people who will have experiments they will want to run on the LHC. The LHC itself is due to be upgraded in the next decade or so as well.
Whenever somebody mentions LHC, I always remember this: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j50ZssEojtM[/media] Anyway, interesting discovery.
[QUOTE=Jsm;38422106]Surely if this disproves it the entire point of the LHC has gone out the window, because it was looking for particles that people only think exist due to this theory.[/QUOTE] no that's exactly the point that's why we do experiments in the first place, because we're not smart enough to figure out ourselves afterwards we might think "Oh yeah it was obvious all along" but we have to do the experiment first!
Can't wait for the results paper on arxiv
Thank god, my future career is secure and we didn't have to give up relativity to those asshole neutrinos. This is an acceptable solution.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;38424707]Thank god, my future career is secure and we didn't have to give up relativity to those asshole neutrinos. This is an acceptable solution.[/QUOTE] sometimes I wonder if there's a conspiracy by theoretical physicists to sit on the unified theory of everything because otherwise they'd have nothing to do all day
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;38424742]sometimes I wonder if there's a conspiracy by theoretical physicists to sit on the unified theory of everything because otherwise they'd have nothing to do all day[/QUOTE] A small circle of physicists out there know the horrible truth, and protect the rest of us from knowing our search is pointless. Any senior researcher who is supposedly an expert on current candidates for the GUT are in on it, and they monitor their students. Whenever one of them discovers the secret, when they consult the senior researcher to discuss publishing the paper, they are inducted into the circle. And if they refuse to protect the secret, they are killed.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;38424792]A small circle of physicists out there know the horrible truth, and protect the rest of us from knowing our search is pointless. Any senior researcher who is supposedly an expert on current candidates for the GUT are in on it, and they monitor their students. Whenever one of them discovers the secret, when they consult the senior researcher to discuss publishing the paper, they are inducted into the circle. And if they refuse to protect the secret, they are killed.[/QUOTE] reminds me of this story I once read where physicists published a bogus value of some physical constant because it turned out the universe happened to be set up so that it was possible to make nuclear weapons with stone-age technology
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;38422678]no that's exactly the point that's why we do experiments in the first place, because we're not smart enough to figure out ourselves afterwards we might think "Oh yeah it was obvious all along" but we have to do the experiment first![/QUOTE] I wouldn't say doing experiments isn't figuring it out ourselves, after all we are the ones making the experiments.
[QUOTE=Jsm;38422106]Surely if this disproves it the entire point of the LHC has gone out the window [/QUOTE] absolutely not, though. a negative result is every bit as important as a positive one. the classic example is the [url=en.wikipedia.org/Michelson-Morley_Experiment]Michelson-Morley Experiment[/url]
[QUOTE=Jsm;38422106]Surely if this disproves it the entire point of the LHC has gone out the window, because it was looking for particles that people only think exist due to this theory.[/QUOTE] Not even close. Have you heard of the Higgs Boson? This is just one of the many dozens of experiments that the LHC has run and that we have learned from. A result is a result, especially if it's surprising. This is how we learn.
[QUOTE=Jsm;38422106]Surely if this disproves it the entire point of the LHC has gone out the window, because it was looking for particles that people only think exist due to this theory.[/QUOTE] They work on much more than that. In fact, they're working on something that may be even more important than failing to disprove (because you cannot absolutely prove a theory) the super symmetry. They're working on antimatter - which is the most promising key to spread mankind to space. They've already made atoms of antihydrogen and maintained it for some time. They're also working on pairing electron and anti-electron together to make positronium, which can apparently be stored in large amounts and is a potential fuel for reaching other star systems. Besides, they already discovered the higgs boson or a particle similar to it. An interesting half offtopic video. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPjXxKpM4DM&feature=g-hist[/media]
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