• Russia could absorb Crimea in mere weeks if referendum passes
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[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/Cj49YnK.jpg?1?9895[/IMG] [QUOTE]SIMFEROPOL, March 13 (RIA Novosti) – Russia could absorb Crimea, currently part of Ukraine, in a matter of weeks after an upcoming referendum Sunday on secession, the head of the region’s parliament told RIA Novosti in an exclusive interview. The referendum in Crimea, where ethnic Russians make up about 60 percent of the population, is widely expected to return a favorable result that will pave the way for annexation by Moscow. After the referendum, Russia’s lower and upper houses of parliament will hold a formal vote on whether to approve annexation, before Russian President Vladimir Putin gives his final backing. “We believe here in Crimea that these three actions will take a maximum of two weeks, and by the end of this period we should have a constitution. We will send it for approval to the Russian Parliament,” said Volodymyr Konstantinov, the speaker of Crimea's parliament. Crimea's parliament declared independence from Ukraine on Tuesday, adding in its statement that if the popular vote passes the country will become independent and will immediately request annexation by Moscow. Konstantinov added that authorities in Crimea have already taken control of the region's Black Sea oil and gas fields, saying Russian companies including energy giant Gazprom should be involved in extracting the resources. The move could foreshadow future disputes with energy-starved Ukraine, which also has territorial waters in the Black Sea. “These fields and platforms will pass into the ownership of the Crimean Republic. We are already guarding them. These are our fields and we will fight for them,” he said. Officials in Crimea, which hosts a major Russian naval base, have refused to recognize as legitimate the country’s new leadership that ousted President Viktor Yanukovych on February 22 following months of street demonstrations protesting his step back from closer ties with Europe. [/QUOTE] [url]http://en.ria.ru/russia/20140313/188384834/Crimea-Could-Join-Russia-Weeks-After-Referendum--Official.html[/url]
If it happens peacefully, if the vote is legit, if there's no ill will towards Ukrainians afterwards, and if Russia doesn't use it as an excuse to annex more land, I see no problem with it. Russia still needs smacked around for acting like such a dick this whole time, though, regardless of how they get Crimea.
Does anyone have a map with the territory that's seceding from Ukraine as part of Russia? Just curious to see what it looks like.
[QUOTE=U-Lander;44222025]Does anyone have a map with the territory that's seceding from Ukraine as part of Russia? Just curious to see what it looks like.[/QUOTE] [IMG]http://consortiumnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/crimea-map.jpg[/IMG]
[QUOTE=TestECull;44221998]If it happens peacefully, if the vote is legit, if there's no ill will towards Ukrainians afterwards, and if Russia doesn't use it as an excuse to annex more land, I see no problem with it. Russia still needs smacked around for acting like such a dick this whole time, though, regardless of how they get Crimea.[/QUOTE] i thought they already said they were only going in for peacekeeping
[QUOTE=TestECull;44221998]Russia still needs smacked around for acting like such a dick this whole time, though, regardless of how they get Crimea.[/QUOTE] From what I keep reading, Crimea wanted this. It makes Russia less of a dick to me.
[QUOTE=Cmx;44222070]From what I keep reading, Crimea wanted this. It makes Russia less of a dick to me.[/QUOTE] In the end, Russia is annexing it regardless of the fact Crimea wants in. It's still doing it before a referendum is held and it pretty much militarily occupied the country.
[QUOTE=Cmx;44222070]From what I keep reading, Crimea wanted this. It makes Russia less of a dick to me.[/QUOTE] *Most of Crimea, the vocal minority does not. The Crimean Tatars for the most part seem to be opposed. If the referendum turns out FOR Russia, it would be "democracy" at work assuming it's properly observed.
[QUOTE=TestECull;44221998]Russia still needs smacked around for acting like such a dick this whole time, though, regardless of how they get Crimea.[/QUOTE] Nobody's gonna do anything, just like always. Watch.
I wish this was over already. My mother is really scared of a world war breaking out, and she won't listen to me or anyone else saying such thing won't hapen. Our news being all hype about this 24/7 really doesn't help.
So Crimea wants to be a part of Russia, and if the referendum passes Russia will be like "OK". All this unnecessary foreplay was a bit overkill though.
[QUOTE=Ripper Roo;44222136]I wish this was over already. My mother is really scared of a world war breaking out, and she won't listen to me or anyone else saying such thing won't hapen. Our news being all hype about this 24/7 really doesn't help.[/QUOTE] "Poland is Russia".
[QUOTE=laserguided;44222140]"Poland is Russia".[/QUOTE] Excuse me?
[QUOTE=Ripper Roo;44222155]Excuse me?[/QUOTE] Your mother is crazy.
[QUOTE=laserguided;44222158]Your mother is crazy.[/QUOTE] She's not scared for Russia, she's scared that Russia will come for us next and nobody will give a shit :v: But yes, a bit. It runs in the family.
[QUOTE=Cmx;44222070]From what I keep reading, Crimea wanted this. It makes Russia less of a dick to me.[/QUOTE] Just because maybe about 50% of the population want to join Russia doesn't excuse Russia occupying the whole region.
[QUOTE=Ripper Roo;44222180]She's not scared for Russia, she's scared that Russia will come for us next and nobody will give a shit :v:[/QUOTE] "And that's how we conquered the entire world, one country by one".:yarr:
[QUOTE=Cmx;44222070]From what I keep reading, Crimea wanted this. It makes Russia less of a dick to me.[/QUOTE] I haven't heard any of the sort. Yeah sure the majority of the population is Russian but that hardly means they want to return to the federation.
[QUOTE=Ripper Roo;44222180]She's not scared for Russia, she's scared that Russia will come for us next and nobody will give a shit :v: But yes, a bit. It runs in the family.[/QUOTE] Don't worry, there won't be any war. The EU and Russia will just make an agreement and split Poland down the middle
[QUOTE=MuTAnT;44222217]I haven't heard any of the sort. Yeah sure the majority of the population is Russian but that hardly means they want to return to the federation.[/QUOTE] The issue is not the referendum, it's the HUGE voting fraud potential established by the newly imposed "government" and the army of the country that wants to annex said territory.
[QUOTE=TestECull;44221998]If it happens peacefully, if the vote is legit, if there's no ill will towards Ukrainians afterwards, and if Russia doesn't use it as an excuse to annex more land, I see no problem with it. Russia still needs smacked around for acting like such a dick this whole time, though, regardless of how they get Crimea.[/QUOTE] Besides ignoring the Budapest treaty, it's really not okay marching into regions and facilitating referendums like that. Not only does it harm the development of country it belonged to, but Ukraine is likely not the only country that have pro-russian majorities in certain parts. Can you imagine the idea of your home being swallowed up by Russia because you share it with ethnic russians?
[QUOTE=JohnnyGoGo;44222341]Besides ignoring the Budapest treaty, it's really not okay marching into regions and facilitating referendums like that. Not only does it harm the development of country it belonged to, but Ukraine is likely not the only country that have pro-russian majorities in certain parts. Can you imagine the idea of your home being swallowed up by Russia because you share it with ethnic russians?[/QUOTE] Sevastopol has only been Ukrainian for 20 years, and they're majority Russian. Some of the people who live there legitimately want to reunite with their homeland.
[QUOTE=laserguided;44222351]Sevastopol has only been Ukrainian for 20 years, and they're majority Russian. Some of the people who live there legitimately want to reunite with their homeland.[/QUOTE] They can, by moving back there.
[QUOTE=mobrockers;44222419]They can, by moving back there.[/QUOTE] Right in the self determination, ergh.
[QUOTE=mobrockers;44222419]They can, by moving back there.[/QUOTE] Well they're Russian, living on their land for a long long time, why would they want to move out and abandon their land just because politicians screwed up in the past and gave them over to the wrong country - would I say if the question was raised in '91 and not over two decades later, when Ukraine went to shit completely. Because at the moment it just seems like their thought process went like this: 1991 - oh no, USSR is no more, Russia's going to shit, better grab some of that sweet independence! 2014 - oh no, turns out you have to actually [b]work[/b] to be successful in an independent state, Ukraine is going to shit!
[QUOTE=Teddybeer;44222676]They might want consider to join another place than Russia if they want anything to go democracy. Pretty amazed my computer didn't explode by placing Russia and democracy in one sentence.[/QUOTE] "democracy" not democracy.
[QUOTE=laserguided;44222351]Sevastopol has only been Ukrainian for 20 years, and they're majority Russian. Some of the people who live there legitimately want to reunite with their homeland.[/QUOTE] More like 60 years [editline]13th March 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Cmx;44222070]From what I keep reading, Crimea wanted this. It makes Russia less of a dick to me.[/QUOTE] What are you reading? RT?
[QUOTE=Laserbeams;44222718]More like 60 years[/QUOTE] I thought Sevastopol never formally ratified the treaty upon which the transfer of Crimea to Ukraine took place so it was basically a Russian city inside Ukraine until 1991.
[QUOTE=laserguided;44222743]I thought Sevastopol never formerly ratified the treaty upon which the transfer of Crimea to Ukraine took place so it was basically a Russian city inside Ukraine until 1991.[/QUOTE] Never heard of that before but it seems you're right
[QUOTE=Laserbeams;44222781]Never heard of that before but it seems you're right[/QUOTE] I learned history.
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