• Why isn't the baritone used in Ska?
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This is a question for Ska junkies and other brass instrument players. Why isn't the baritone used in ska very often? It is pretty much the trombones brother, they are both very identical in tone and even use the same embouchure correct? For those of you who do not know what a baritone is. [img]http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/7/9/0/552790.jpg[/img] The reason I ask is because I've been wanting to pick up another instrument besides tuba, and I thought I'd just take a step down to Baritone.
They are not as cool and no one knows what they are.
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;18897735]They are not as cool and no one knows what they are.[/QUOTE] That is an opinion and stupid reason.
Music itself is opinion. I think the trombone is just better suited for jazz and the like, whereas the baritone is not. Even if it were, it's range is already covered by the standard trumpets, trombones and the occasional tuba (at least in Jazz, that is).
[QUOTE=wuzzimu;18899932]Music itself is opinion. I think the trombone is just better suited for jazz and the like, whereas the baritone is not. Even if it were, it's range is already covered by the standard trumpets, trombones and the occasional tuba (at least in Jazz, that is).[/QUOTE] You could say the baritone covers those ranges as well though. It can get into the tuba range, and SOME of the trumpet range (at least the lower part if the player is good enough), and it covers the entire trombone range.
i don't think that the tamber of the baritone really fits in with a majority of ska bands' sound.
What's the difference between a baritone and a cornet?
[QUOTE=Epic Sandwich;18913910]What's the difference between a baritone and a cornet?[/QUOTE] A lot of things.
[QUOTE=Funcoot;18914473]A lot of things.[/QUOTE] Could you please explain? I've played trumpet for 8 years by the way so I'm not just some idiot with no idea what I'm on about, I'm genuinely interested.
[QUOTE=Epic Sandwich;18913910]What's the difference between a baritone and a cornet?[/QUOTE] I'm no expert but isn't baritone used for bass where as a cornet is treble?
Mike Brown from Streetlight Manifesto sometimes plays Baritone Sax EDIT: The bari sax has become a more commonly seen instrument in ska punk and third wave ska bands including Streetlight Manifesto, Less Than Jake, Tokyo Ska Paradise Orchestra, and Bandits of the Acoustic Revolution. The sax is popular for its lower register notes, however, [b]the size and bulk of the instrument, along with the cost, can prevent many bands from using it.[/b] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baritone_saxophone#Ska[/url]
Baritone Sax is completely different from the Baritone Horn.
[QUOTE=Funcoot;18918104]Baritone Sax is completely different from the Baritone Horn.[/QUOTE] Misread, my mistake.
[QUOTE=Funcoot;18892847][img]http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/7/9/0/552790.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] Wouldn't that be a euphonium, since it has a straight bell? I play euphonium in the Concert Band at my school, but I don't recall if its the 4th valve or the bell that decides it. This is what I think of when I hear baritone: [img]http://www.music.vt.edu/musicdictionary/textb/images/baritonehorn.jpg[/img]
i think its because its too low sounding
[QUOTE=Kguse74;18927302]i think its because its too low sounding[/QUOTE] It has the same range of a trombone. It sounds pretty close to trombone. Now that I think about, I think it my be because the bore of a baritone. They tend to have a darker sound that probably wouldn't cut like a trombone. [editline]08:59PM[/editline] [QUOTE=BlueFlash;18921053]Wouldn't that be a euphonium, since it has a straight bell? I play euphonium in the Concert Band at my school, but I don't recall if its the 4th valve or the bell that decides it. This is what I think of when I hear baritone: [img]http://www.music.vt.edu/musicdictionary/textb/images/baritonehorn.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] As far as I know, the only difference between euphoniums and baritones are the taper of the bores. Whatever that means.
Let me clear this all up. A Euphonium is the concert horn, looks like a mini-tuba. The baritone is the marching horn, kinda like a large trumpet. Kinda how like the mellophone is the marching variant of the french horn. Also the bore size of my trombone is the same as my friends euphonium, euphoniums have a slightly warmer tone with the trombones being brighter, it's just how the instrument resonates, not the size of the tubing. This also means they can use the same mouth-pieces ;) . The also have the same range and all of that BUT the trombone can get MUCH louder, in fact, the trombone IS the loudest instrument in the band. Don't go ahead and argue and say "Nuh uh Tubas are louder." because they AREN'T. I played tuba in a band full of people who can really push some notes on the tuba, in fact I was in their section for a year. Yeah, it's loud, but a trombone as a FACT is the loudest instrument in the band. But really, the main reason the trombone is a ska instrument is because it has a SLIDE. You just simply CANNOT gliss on any other instrument as well as you can a trombone, just because of the slide. Almost all ska songs have a trombonist who utilizes this and having a baritone would just be plain retarded. Try this on baritone, it'll sound soulless. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OElTGG5xzM8[/media]
Tuba is classier. :monocle:
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