Earth Year 2066 removed from steam, refunds given out.
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[quote=ValveEmployee]On Steam, developers make their own decisions about promotion, features, pricing and publication. However, Steam does require honesty from developers in the marketing of their games.
We have removed Earth: Year 2066 from Early Access on Steam. Customers who purchased the game will be able to get a refund on the store page until Monday May 19th. [/quote]
[url]http://steamcommunity.com/app/290750/discussions/0/540740501406063338/[/url]
For the people who don't know how garbage this game was, here is Jim's video about it.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHhbvDhPU7U[/media]
Aside from being absolutely garbage, the developer also lied about what is in the game and uses censor on the steam forums
No one at valve even plays what they publish once? That's poor.
[QUOTE=itisjuly;44736450]No one at valve even plays what they publish once? That's poor.[/QUOTE]
Do you have even the faintest idea what sort of volume they've got coming in? It's physically impossible for them to playtest everything that goes on the service.
Why does the main menu look like the menu from Sumotori?
Greenlight was a good idea initially, but it's really gone down hill since its inception. I wouldn't be opposed to its removal, or implementing a much stricter review process.
[QUOTE=TestECull;44736459]Do you have even the faintest idea what sort of volume they've got coming in? It's physically impossible for them to playtest everything that goes on the service.[/QUOTE]
annnd because Valve don't manually approve anymore, publishers are dumping their entire backlog onto Steam. Even if the game is from the 90s.
So the storefront is filled with garbage, pushing real games off the new releases list.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLNh5HPbQPo[/media]
[QUOTE=ashxu;44736482]annnd because Valve don't manually approve anymore, publishers are dumping their entire backlog onto Steam. Even if the game is from the 90s.
So the storefront is filled with garbage, pushing real games off the new releases list.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLNh5HPbQPo[/media][/QUOTE]
While "you people" keep posting this video and I'm sure you've got some valid points,
I am thoroughly loving my Freddie Fish Detective Mysteries for Steam, and will shank you if you try to take them away. :)
up until the point he got the gun I was actually kinda terrified by this game... it's poorly made and the atmosphere is off enough to actually give me a strange sense of fear. that being said it's no reason it should be greenlit whatsoever because it's otherwise pretty terrible, it just left off some really weird feelings.
what a strange game.
[QUOTE=TestECull;44736459]Do you have even the faintest idea what sort of volume they've got coming in? It's physically impossible for them to playtest everything that goes on the service.[/QUOTE]
What's even worse is that they're removing Greenlight. I really hope they either replace it with something with higher quality rather than allowing titles to get on more easily, though sadly it's looking more like the latter.
[QUOTE=Cows Rule;44736478]Greenlight was a good idea initially, but it's really gone down hill since its inception. I wouldn't be opposed to its removal, or implementing a much stricter review process.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=ForgottenKane;44736526]What's even worse is that they're removing Greenlight. I really hope they either replace it with something with higher quality rather than allowing titles to get on more easily, though sadly it's looking more like the latter.[/QUOTE]
You're in for a bad time in the future, because they want to eventually remove all gatekeeping from the market. Anyone able to put anything on Steam.
[QUOTE=Crazy Ivan;44736496]While "you people" keep posting this video and I'm sure you've got some valid points,
I am thoroughly loving my Freddie Fish Detective Mysteries for Steam, and will shank you if you try to take them away. :)[/QUOTE]
You're not getting the point, rather instead you try to pretend to be intelligent and snide by referencing a good old game and using a smiley while making empty threats.
You're misinterpreting what TotalBiscuit is to saying. He's saying that OLD GAMES SHOULD NOT SHOW UP AS NEW RELEASES. What you think he's saying (which is what he is not saying) is to not publish old games on steam.
free markets illustrated :)
[QUOTE=Cows Rule;44736478]Greenlight was a good idea initially, but it's really gone down hill since its inception. I wouldn't be opposed to its removal, or implementing a much stricter review process.[/QUOTE]
Same. Before when a game got on Steam it was pretty difficult, but when they did get on it meant that the game was up to a certain standard and that Valve themselves had approved the game.
I hope they start cleaning up the mess that is early access and greenlight.
[QUOTE=ashxu;44736482]annnd because Valve don't manually approve anymore, publishers are dumping their entire backlog onto Steam. Even if the game is from the 90s.
So the storefront is filled with garbage, pushing real games off the new releases list.
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Using Enhanced Steam gives you a setting in the store so that you can filter those away. But of course, that only works for the small percentage of steam users who use the extension.
[QUOTE=LuaChobo;44736553]im going to put shitty hentai games on steam for 1 dollar each[/QUOTE]
pm the store pages to me when you do tia
Better get used to shit like this. I've been saying it for a while now, but tools and knowledge as well as free assets, or even self made shit ones are easier and easier for people to get, make and use. And with digital distribution, especially Steam, you're going to see elaborate cash grab games, AKA scams. This I would say is the third I've seen so far, and TotalBiscuit did a WTF Is/Let's Not Play on the other two.
People just make SOMETHING so they can say Hey, look, it's not nothing! Paint it as pretty as possible with a very controlled trailer and talk it up with bullshit features, and then unleash it to the masses for about a week before people realize that it's nothing more than a scam. 3 to 6 months of off and on work using free assets and a $100 license on an obscure engine and Bam, world of unknowing customers throwing buckets of money at you for a while.
There's another type, too, which abuses Early Access. Release something with early access, get everyone's money with promises... where's the incentive to finish the game, then?
How many early access games did you buy vs how many of them are feature complete now? The number is staggeringly low. Don't get me wrong, I love the idea of Early Access and there's plenty of completely legit devs and games using it, but it's just SO easy to abuse, and it'll get ruined because of it, mark my words
[QUOTE=Systema;44736514]up until the point he got the gun I was actually kinda terrified by this game... it's poorly made and the atmosphere is off enough to actually give me a strange sense of fear. [/QUOTE]
Terrible 3D games are just really creepy for some reason. Like Fantastic Game from that Vinesauce video, it's strangely terrifying even though it looks like someone probably hammered it out in Unity in a couple hours.
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And Worlds.com is creepier than some scary movies I've seen.
[QUOTE=TestECull;44736459]Do you have even the faintest idea what sort of volume they've got coming in? It's physically impossible for them to playtest everything that goes on the service.[/QUOTE]
So hire some people to do it?
If that happened, we wouldn't have the mass of shitty games we've got on Steam right now.
[QUOTE=TestECull;44736459]Do you have even the faintest idea what sort of volume they've got coming in? It's physically impossible for them to playtest everything that goes on the service.[/QUOTE]
And that is not okay. Valve isn't exactly poor, they could hire some sort of quality assurance team.
I dont understand greenlight
there are tons of great games out there fighting to get some votes yet a piece of crap like this gets nearly instantly in greenlight? im confused
[QUOTE=Crazy Ivan;44736496]While "you people" keep posting this video and I'm sure you've got some valid points,
I am thoroughly loving my Freddie Fish Detective Mysteries for Steam, and will shank you if you try to take them away. :)[/QUOTE]
Valve is more profitable per-employee than Google. This idea that they can't curate Steam and thus had to go to Greenlight is an outright lie, because they don't feel like spending a small amount of their fortune and are more than willing to suffer the consequences of an unmoderated shop.
I've already stopped buying most of my PC games through Steam because it's becoming glaringly obvious that Valve just doesn't care anymore about the quality of their services.
[QUOTE=gk99;44736612]So hire some people to do it?
If that happened, we wouldn't have the mass of shitty games we've got on Steam right now.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=itisjuly;44736624]And that is not okay. Valve isn't exactly poor, they could hire some sort of quality assurance team.[/QUOTE]
I think you're seriously underestimating what it takes to do this, by a large amount. Unless you want new releases consistently getting pushed back until the backlog is cleared, or you want preferential treatment shown to a select few titles while others are completely ignored for weeks at best or longer.
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[QUOTE=Omali;44736651]Valve is more profitable per-employee than Google. This idea that they can't curate Steam and thus had to go to Greenlight is an outright lie, because they don't feel like spending a small amount of their fortune and are more than willing to suffer the consequences of an unmoderated shop.
I've already stopped buying most of my PC games through Steam because it's becoming glaringly obvious that Valve just doesn't care anymore about the quality of their services.[/QUOTE]They stopped largely because they feel it shouldn't be curated, not just because it would cost money.
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[QUOTE=werewolf0020;44736641]I dont understand greenlight
there are tons of great games out there fighting to get some votes yet a piece of crap like this gets nearly instantly in greenlight? im confused[/QUOTE]A lot of it is marketing whatever you want to sell and in part it is just blind luck. Hell, the time of day and day of the week can make or break it for you. Put it up on a bad day at the wrong time and it never gets seen, but put it up at the right time on the right day and everyone sees it.
What awful... everything. Oil painting and canvas texture filter with a slate grey stencil font. Looks like [I]shit.[/I]
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;44736657]I think you're seriously underestimating what it takes to do this, by a large amount. Unless you want new releases consistently getting pushed back until the backlog is cleared, or you want preferential treatment shown to a select few titles while others are completely ignored for weeks at best or longer.
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They stopped largely because they feel it shouldn't be curated, not just because it would cost money.
[editline]6th May 2014[/editline]
A lot of it is marketing whatever you want to sell and in part it is just blind luck. Hell, the time of day and day of the week can make or break it for you. Put it up on a bad day at the wrong time and it never gets seen, but put it up at the right time on the right day and everyone sees it.[/QUOTE]
You're defending a company over customers? What the hell man?
if only more games were removed
[QUOTE=itisjuly;44736736]You're defending a company over customers? What the hell man?[/QUOTE]
Yes, the company is always wrong! How dare you ever defend companies! Even if there may be a valid reason, what you are doing is a disgrace to the gamer kind!
Greenlight is a good idea, it just needs proper quality control.
Without Greenlight, The Forest wouldn't have gotten on Steam.
The eventual goal for Steam is to let individual users handle their own "storefronts" within Steam. Steam will act sort of like a giant publisher, and individual users as the stores. This would involve opening the "floodgates", as it were, but the idea is for Steam to act as a giant repository of games, and individual users will pick out the good ones. Valve will also have their own storefront, I believe.
Basically the idea is that there are far too many games for Valve to adequately feature in Steam, even if they did curate it like they used to. So individual storefronts are supposed to let people look for things in terms of what they already like. Say there's a person who really likes RTS games and sets up a storefront to list what they think are the best RTS games on Steam. It's like the review system, but more broad. Shitty games won't end up on anybody's storefront, so they'll practically be non-existent.
A lot of the individual systems that Steam's been getting are all adding up to the same thing: Steam is going to have [I]everything[/I], and it will be up to a monkeys-on-typewriters style of crowdfunding to make it work.
Unfortunately, we're in a really weird midway point with all the disadvantages of a centralized storefront, such as very limited front page space and general exposure, and all the disadvantages of a fairly open system, such as shitty games getting through.
I really have no idea how this will end up.
[QUOTE=itisjuly;44736736]You're defending a company over customers? What the hell man?[/QUOTE] No, I'm providing reason Just blindly attacking something does you no good. At least have some understanding of the issues.
[QUOTE=Coyoteze;44736773]Greenlight is a good idea, it just needs proper quality control.
Without Greenlight, The Forest wouldn't have gotten on Steam.[/QUOTE]
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also, most importantly, postal 2, of all the games, the most wonderful of them
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