• Finally Somebody Fucking said it: German Vice Chancellor Sigmar Gabriel says Saudi Arabia must stop
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[QUOTE][url]http://tribune.com.pk/story/1004949/saudi-must-stop-financing-fundamentalist-mosques-abroad-merkels-deputy/[/url][/QUOTE] [QUOTE]BERLIN: German Vice Chancellor Sigmar Gabriel on Sunday said Saudi Arabia must stop financing fundamentalist mosques abroad which are accused of breeding extremism. “From Saudi Arabia, Wahhabi mosques are financed throughout the world,” said Gabriel. “In Germany many extremists considered dangerous persons emerge from these communities,” he told the newspaper Bild am Sonntag. Gabriel, who is Chancellor Angela Merkel’s deputy in a left-right coalition, warned against alienating Saudi Arabia, a crucial player in the bid to end the Syrian war, with too much criticism.[/QUOTE] Congrats on addressing the Elephant in the room.
Germany has got some seriously good polititians
[QUOTE]Merkel’s government Friday rejected the BND’s findings and called Riyadh, the world’s top oil exporter, a key partner in regional conflict resolution.[/QUOTE] A voice that will be ignored. [editline]6th December 2015[/editline] [QUOTE]“This radical fundamentalism taking place in Salafist mosques is no less dangerous than right-wing extremism,” he said.[/QUOTE] You can tell that he's doing everything he can to not be dismissed as some "racist bigot". He definitely is not one but the minds of some Europeans just seem to interpret any criticism of Islam as racist.
[QUOTE=proch;49259575]Germany has got some seriously good polititians[/QUOTE] Apart from Merkel, I suppose. Seriously, I cannot think of one single West European politician after the the Second World War who has done more damage to the unity of the European countries than Angela Merkel with the shit she pulled over the last year.
[QUOTE=Jordax;49259595]Apart from Merkel, I suppose. Seriously, I cannot think of one single West European politician after the the Second World War who has done more damage to the unity of the European countries than Angela Merkel with the shit she pulled over the last year.[/QUOTE] Namely?
[QUOTE=luverofJ!93;49259697]Namely?[/QUOTE] "Our borders are open to every foreign person seeking refuge, we have room for 800,000 refugees!" Then when around 40,000 refugees showed up at the border suddenly it was too much, and they closed it. Now all of Europe has to deal with tons of extra refugees that Turkish maffia smuggled into Europe because of her reckless statement.
[QUOTE=luverofJ!93;49259697]Namely?[/QUOTE] bashing greece for an austarity plan that economists say is not working, has not worked, and will continue to not work, then also demanding greece take in tons of refugees as well, they got their bailout but the debt is still there, and germany is making a ton off of greece's interest the refugee crisis has been a distraction away from germany bullying everybody financially through the ECB, but the problems are still there, greece is still getting worse and the refugees flooding in there aren't helping anything
[QUOTE=FalconKrunch;49259717]"Our borders are open to every foreign person seeking refuge, we have room for 800,000 refugees!" Then when around 40,000 refugees showed up at the border suddenly it was too much, and they closed it. Now all of Europe has to deal with tons of extra refugees that Turkish maffia smuggled into Europe because of her reckless statement.[/QUOTE] but the route takes months, years sometimes, why are you trying to make it sound like its her fault that people are fleeing wars. She made that statement after the other EU states refused to take in the refugees that already came. I also dislike her but it's more helpful to bash her for real issues like her government allowing the weapon deals with Saudi Arabia. What really damaged the EU is that stupid Dublin treaty(refugees are treated where they arrive) while not contracting any help for the countries dealing with refugees. What damaged the EU too is doing a monetary union without a cultural union.
[QUOTE=Sableye;49259869]bashing greece for an austarity plan that economists say is not working, has not worked, and will continue to not work, then also demanding greece take in tons of refugees as well, they got their bailout but the debt is still there, and germany is making a ton off of greece's interest the refugee crisis has been a distraction away from germany bullying everybody financially through the ECB, but the problems are still there, greece is still getting worse and the refugees flooding in there aren't helping anything[/QUOTE] You realize this is mostly Greece's own fault? They, like some other European countries, just kept borrowing money they weren't sure they could pay back, even after the economic crash. Yes, the way Germany wants them to pay back their money is problematic, yes, they have to take in refugees, but they are not the only ones. They are the ones who kept borrowing money, they are the country where tax evasion in 2010 cost them around 20 billion euros, they, along with other countries, were able to misreported their debt statistics. Yes, I understand they are not the only ones to blame, and that I may sound biased, but you can't argue that unlike countries like Ireland and Spain, Greece handled its debt situation rather poorly. Forgive me if I sound very one-sided, but Greece has more fault in this than Germany does. Regarding the refugee crisis, I do agree that they shouldn't take in as many, but right now all of Europe is facing this problem, so I don't think much help can be offered. Merkel telling everyone to come on over was really stupud.
Oh Merkel, that east German upbringing sure helps you fuck Germany up so easily and effectively
[QUOTE=proch;49259575]Germany has got some seriously good polititians[/QUOTE] Germany has a history of having either good politicians, or extremely shitty ones... :/
I don't think Merkel is that bad. Imo she was doing a very proper job up untill the giant fuck-up that is the current refugee crisis. Well, and there's also the Greece situation, but I don't know to what extent it is her fault.
[QUOTE=Sableye;49259869]bashing greece for an austarity plan that economists say is not working, has not worked, and will continue to not work, then also demanding greece take in tons of refugees as well, they got their bailout but the debt is still there, and germany is making a ton off of greece's interest the refugee crisis has been a distraction away from germany bullying everybody financially through the ECB, but the problems are still there, greece is still getting worse and the refugees flooding in there aren't helping anything[/QUOTE] That's entirely Greece's fault for borrowing too much money and not being able to pay back, look at the current state of the venues for the 2004 Athens Olympics now, most are abandoned and look like something out of Chernobyl.
[QUOTE=iAmaNewb;49263921]That's entirely Greece's fault for borrowing too much money and not being able to pay back[/QUOTE] Which is, of course, a greece-exclusive.
[QUOTE=luverofJ!93;49259697]Namely?[/QUOTE] Basically a mix of tanking support with central and eastern Europeans a couple of years back. And now making a 180 and trying to open up borders as much as possible. It left a sour taste for very many. As to Greece - that is entirely the fault of Greece. But the whole let's close our own borders to new europeans until 2011, but then try to push an immigrant wave on Europe was met with a lot of disgust. It doesn't hlep that a lot of European nations are very coherent ethnically. While Germany was more broken up.
[QUOTE=proch;49263693]I don't think Merkel is that bad. Imo she was doing a very proper job up untill the giant fuck-up that is the current refugee crisis. Well, and there's also the Greece situation, but I don't know to what extent it is her fault.[/QUOTE] Cop-Out out of nuclear was a big fuckup too. [editline]7th December 2015[/editline] So was the "No" to the homo-marriage.
[QUOTE=Killuah;49264178]Cop-Out out of nuclear was a big fuckup too. [editline]7th December 2015[/editline] So was the "No" to the homo-marriage.[/QUOTE] Anybody who declines Nuclear or Fusion power as an efficient power source is a bigot in my book.
[QUOTE=Deathtrooper2;49266159]Anybody who declines Nuclear or Fusion power as an efficient power source is a bigot in my book.[/QUOTE] So much this. What really pains me is she should know so much better, she is a physicist after all. She shouldn't blame Nuclear Energy because people cheap out on old Power Plant designs. At least she's still pro Nuclear Fusion, as said she has knowledge on the topic. Using Fukushima as a reason to get popularity, an old reactor at the seaside during an earthquake with a tsunami woth no emergency power supply for the broken water pumps, no matter how big of a tragedy it was, is no reason to go Hardline Anti Nuclear, shut off nearly all of our reactors, so that we have a power deficit, then starting to push green energy (which in itself is good) while having a power deficit, so that we have to pay more for our energy while Germany has to buy Power from France WHICH IS GENERATED MOSTLY BY NUCLEAR REACTORS at the German Border. So we pretty much use just as much Nuclear Energy, we're still fucked if something blows up, and we have to pay more for nothing. Instead of just doing it more slowly as she planned before Fukushima... but hey you need that popularity from emotional voters yo...
[QUOTE=MaGGiFiXXX;49266225]So much this. What really pains me is she should know so much better, she is a physicist after all. She shouldn't blame Nuclear Energy because people cheap out on old Power Plant designs. At least she's still pro Nuclear Fusion, as said she has knowledge on the topic. Using Fukushima as a reason to get popularity, an old reactor at the seaside during an earthquake with a tsunami woth no emergency power supply for the broken water pumps, no matter how big of a tragedy it was, is no reason to go Hardline Anti Nuclear, shut off nearly all of our reactors, so that we have a power deficit, then starting to push green energy (which in itself is good) while having a power deficit, so that we have to pay more for our energy while Germany has to buy Power from France WHICH IS GENERATED MOSTLY BY NUCLEAR REACTORS at the German Border. So we pretty much use just as much Nuclear Energy, we're still fucked if something blows up, and we have to pay more for nothing. Instead of just doing it more slowly as she planned before Fukushima... but hey you need that popularity from emotional voters yo...[/QUOTE] Last time I checked we still had net exports even without nuclear power (and I think energy prices are actually falling if you change your provider accordingly), but I agree that kneejerk reaction was completely ridiculous and a huge waste of money. (Germany is incredibly safe regarding natural disasters, and while flooding (and storms) are the ones we actually get, those normally come with plenty of warning.) [editline]7th December 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=proch;49259575]Germany has got some seriously good polititians[/QUOTE] I really wonder what's different about this country that makes politics here so drama-free. This is (almost) about as heated as it gets afaik (but that ceiling has been rising a little for a while now, if I'm not mistaken). I agree though, in that I think there's generally a really nice amount of appropriateness in politics here.
[QUOTE=Tamschi;49266958]Last time I checked we still had net exports even without nuclear power (and I think energy prices are actually falling if you change your provider accordingly), but I agree that kneejerk reaction was completely ridiculous and a huge waste of money. (Germany is incredibly safe regarding natural disasters, and while flooding (and storms) are the ones we actually get, those normally come with plenty of warning.).[/QUOTE] The absurd thing is, you're actually correct. We DO produce more than enough, and we export a LOT of Power to neighboring countries, so much so that we in return imported a record High from France. I'm not really an expert on that matter so maybe the numbers aren't half as bad as some sensational headlines may suggest. But in my opinion this still defeats the point of going Anti Nuclear. [url]http://green.wiwo.de/energiemarkt-2014-deutschland-importiert-rekordmenge-an-atomstrom/[/url]
[QUOTE=MaGGiFiXXX;49267083]The absurd thing is, you're actually correct. We DO produce more than enough, but we export a LOT of Power to neighboring countries, so much so that we imported a record High from France. [url]http://green.wiwo.de/energiemarkt-2014-deutschland-importiert-rekordmenge-an-atomstrom/[/url][/QUOTE] Thanks for this, I didn't know where to easily get the numbers. I really wish they'd gotten rid of those coal plants instead. [editline]7th December 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=MaGGiFiXXX;49267083]I'm not really an expert on that matter so maybe the numbers aren't half as bad as some sensational headlines may suggest. But in my opinion this still defeats the point of going Anti Nuclear.[/QUOTE] It definitely does. If I'm not mistaken nuclear power is also (in the long run) somewhat less expensive than coal. The only issue I can think of is that iirc you can't change the power output of nuclear plants as quickly as that of coal ones, but Swiss has hydroelectric energy storage that might be able to buffer that. The distribution system doesn't seem all that great yet though, so it's entirely possible the north and south of Germany aren't connected well enough to distribute it like that. (Most of our green and unsteady power is generated near the sea(s).)
[QUOTE=FalconKrunch;49259717]"Our borders are open to every foreign person seeking refuge, we have room for 800,000 refugees!" Then when around 40,000 refugees showed up at the border suddenly it was too much, and they closed it. Now all of Europe has to deal with tons of extra refugees that Turkish maffia smuggled into Europe because of her reckless statement.[/QUOTE] Did she really say 800,000? Because that's almost 10% of the current German population [editline]7th December 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Killuah;49260036]but the route takes months, years sometimes, why are you trying to make it sound like its her fault that people are fleeing wars. She made that statement after the other EU states refused to take in the refugees that already came. [/QUOTE] What's the point of taking refugees in if it breaks down the country trying to help? It just makes more miserable. Not saying taking in refugees is inherently bad but at some point along the line a nation should tend to the needs of their own first so to help others in the future. No point in handing food out to others if you're just going to starve yourself to death.
I remember the number 800,000.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;49268098]Did she really say 800,000? Because that's almost 10% of the current German population[/QUOTE] It's about 1%, though we might have passed that mark last month. The population density of Germany is fairly high, so despite the much smaller area we still have more than a quarter of the US population.
[QUOTE=Tamschi;49267109]Thanks for this, I didn't know where to easily get the numbers. I really wish they'd gotten rid of those coal plants instead. [editline]7th December 2015[/editline] It definitely does. If I'm not mistaken nuclear power is also (in the long run) somewhat less expensive than coal. The only issue I can think of is that iirc you can't change the power output of nuclear plants as quickly as that of coal ones, but Swiss has hydroelectric energy storage that might be able to buffer that. The distribution system doesn't seem all that great yet though, so it's entirely possible the north and south of Germany aren't connected well enough to distribute it like that. (Most of our green and unsteady power is generated near the sea(s).)[/QUOTE] we are. heard it on the radio a few days ago. planning to fade out brown coal by 2ksomething
[QUOTE=Tamschi;49268308]It's about 1%, though we might have passed that mark last month. The population density of Germany is fairly high, so despite the much smaller area we still have more than a quarter of the US population.[/QUOTE] And Merkel wants to take in another two million in the following years. What the hell is she even expecting to happen at this point?
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;49268098]Did she really say 800,000? Because that's almost 10% of the current German population [editline]7th December 2015[/editline] What's the point of taking refugees in if it breaks down the country trying to help? It just makes more miserable. Not saying taking in refugees is inherently bad but at some point along the line a nation should tend to the needs of their own first so to help others in the future. No point in handing food out to others if you're just going to starve yourself to death.[/QUOTE] but its not. we are spending more money on dogs than on refugees. "starving yourself to death" is so incredibly exagerated it's almost insulting. borderline demagogic. [editline]8th December 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Jordax;49268367]And Merkel wants to take in another two million in the following years. What the hell is she even expecting to happen at this point?[/QUOTE] um. no?
[QUOTE=Killuah;49268368]but its not. we are spending more money on dogs than on refugees. "starving yourself to death" is so incredibly exagerated it's almost insulting. borderline demagogic. [/QUOTE] It was meant to be a hyperbole
it's a bad one. even worse in the face of your misacalculation of percentages. and still borderline demagogic. of course I get that you didn't literally mean 80 million people starving.
[QUOTE=Nighty;49260217]You realize this is mostly Greece's own fault? They, like some other European countries, just kept borrowing money they weren't sure they could pay back, even after the economic crash. Yes, the way Germany wants them to pay back their money is problematic, yes, they have to take in refugees, but they are not the only ones. They are the ones who kept borrowing money, they are the country where tax evasion in 2010 cost them around 20 billion euros, they, along with other countries, were able to misreported their debt statistics. Yes, I understand they are not the only ones to blame, and that I may sound biased, but you can't argue that unlike countries like Ireland and Spain, Greece handled its debt situation rather poorly. Forgive me if I sound very one-sided, but Greece has more fault in this than Germany does. Regarding the refugee crisis, I do agree that they shouldn't take in as many, but right now all of Europe is facing this problem, so I don't think much help can be offered. Merkel telling everyone to come on over was really stupud.[/QUOTE] German banks lent the Greeks money even though they knew that the Greek government had shit fiscal management. When the Greeks finally showed their true colours the German banks went crying to Merkel to bail out Greece so that they would get their money back. It's the fault of the Western European banks as much as it is the Greek government.
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