• Police shoot crazy guy waving a knife in the middle of times square, all of it was caught on film
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[url]http://www.news.com.au/national/mobile-phone-captures-new-york-police-shoot-dead-a-man-who-had-flashed-on-seventh-avenue/story-fndo4eg9-1226448547922[/url] [quote]POLICE officers gunned down a backwards walking knife-wielding man, who had flashed at people, in broad daylight near Times Square, New York. The firing of shots and the man's deranged behaviour sent terrified tourists running to safety. The 30-year-old man was was shot several times. He was taken to Bellevue Hospital, New York City, while having a heart attack and later died. The unidentified man was fatally shot on Seventh Ave. after ignoring orders to drop his weapon - and then moving menacingly toward police, said NYPD Deputy Commissioner Paul Browne. A witness said the suspect, who was walking backward for blocks, appeared impervious to police pepper spray and refused to surrender his 10-inch butcher knife. "He looked like he was crazy,” Jobby Nogueras, 17, who joined a crowd of onlookers watching the strange showdown, told the Daily News. "They sprayed him, and he kept going backwards." Another witness, who said the man was African American, told The New York Post: "He came out of the subway and flashed two people. He tried to flash a cop, but then took off down Seventh Avenue. They were chasing him down. They cornered him between 37th and 38th and he was still waving his knife." About 12 police officers swarmed the scene, he said. Shocked tourists and New Yorkers who witnessed the scene Tweeted in shock. “Waiting for the bus on 7th Ave, a wall of NYPD walking, WITH GUNS, chasing down a madman with knife,” a witness who went by the handle Sim Marshall tweeted. "1 block later. He was shot." “I've been in NYC for 10 minutes and saw a man shot on 7th ave! Omg...." tweeted one. Another witness, tweeting under the handle “NewYorkRangersFan” described the scene as a “nut running down 7th ave a a huge knife and cops chasing him [with] guns drawn,” and said police "shot him 5 times in the stomach."[/quote] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9r1zHtwxfw[/media] Can't find a decent video besides that one. If you ask me, that's pretty justifiable
Well if the guy was armed and wasn't dropping the weapon as instructed, then yeah, completely justifiable IMO.
and none of these officers had a taser?
We need to ban Rambo-type assault knives.
Why did they say they had raw footage but it ended up being 5 seconds of film without the original audio being looped a few times? Anyway, that was justifiable the guy was nuts.
Nothing else the police could do at that point if he refused to put the knife down. He had already slashed one person. [editline]11th August 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=xxncxx;37190699]and none of these officers had a taser?[/QUOTE] You need to be close to use a taser and he had a knife.
Did they try tasing him or are tasers not used in New York?
[QUOTE=Lonestriper;37190726]Did they try tasing him or are tasers not used in New York?[/QUOTE] [b]TAZERS ARE USED UP CLOSE, HE HAD A KNIFE.[/b] Seriously dude.
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[QUOTE=King Tiger;37190713] You need to be close to use a taser and he had a knife.[/QUOTE] 10.6 metres is the max range, that's a pretty comfortable distance when you see that they were around about that distance (at least in the short snippet of footage shown)
He already hit somebody with it, so I must assume they acted in the right till I see otherwise.
uhh, tasers can be used farther than 1 ft people.
This makes me wonder why Cops don't carry magazines full of rubber bullets.
[QUOTE=Lonestriper;37190743]10.6 metres is the max range, that's a pretty comfortable distance when you see that they were around about that distance (at least in the short snippet of footage shown)[/QUOTE]Tasers also aren't the most accurate weapons and they can and have caused fatal electrocutions. Point of fact, police are trained to neutralize a threat completely, and take any all all measures to protect their lives and those of bystanders. Tasers do not garuntee a threat will be neutralized, a firearm is far more likely to do so.
[QUOTE=xxncxx;37190765]uhh, tasers can be used farther than 1 ft people.[/QUOTE] Prong tazers take a long time to reload
[QUOTE=xxncxx;37190765]uhh, tasers can be used farther than 1 ft people.[/QUOTE]Tasers can also miss easily and its not like its impossible to resist their effects. It has been done many times before.
Last guy "interviewed" looked cute Anyways justifed since it was threating people and officers everywere.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;37190779]Tasers also aren't the most accurate weapons and they can and have caused fatal electrocutions. Point of fact, police are trained to neutralize a threat completely, and take any all all measures to protect their lives and those of bystanders. Tasers do not garuntee a threat will be neutralized, a firearm is far more likely to do so.[/QUOTE] it looks like they had more than enough to surround him and get in close enough to tase and neutralize him. shooting him multiple times seems a bit unnecessary [editline]11th August 2012[/editline] if one didnt work then another one could have tried, if that still didnt work then shoot him in the knee and tackle him.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;37190779]Tasers also aren't the most accurate weapons and they can and have caused fatal electrocutions. Point of fact, police are trained to neutralize a threat completely, and take any all all measures to protect their lives and those of bystanders. Tasers do not garuntee a threat will be neutralized, a firearm is far more likely to do so.[/QUOTE] A firearm is more likely to neutralise a threat, yes everyone knows that, I'm just saying that there was a step they didn't take and could have taken which wouldn't have ended up with an obviously mentally unwell person dying. Granted, it may not have worked, but it would have been better off for everyone to do so.
[QUOTE=zombojoe;37190770]This makes me wonder why Cops don't carry magazines full of rubber bullets.[/QUOTE]Because its not what one would call an "effective" option. It is much more preferable to use real bullets guaranteed to neutralize the threat. They do not shoot to wound, they do not shoot to incapacitate, they do not shoot to hinder. They shoot to kill. In fact, many police departments punish officers who shoot to wound. The point is to eliminate the threat, and the only truly effective way to insure that is to kill the one who poses a threat.
[QUOTE=xxncxx;37190699]and none of these officers had a taser?[/QUOTE] Tasers are close-range and inaccurate, not to mention there have been times that people were immune to them, trying to tase him would've been too risky because if they missed or it didn't affect him then at least one officer would likely get killed by the knife.
Posting this here for every armchair warrior that thinks cops have aimbots : Tasers are unreliable as FUCK. I'd look up a video where a cop was five feet from a man, deployed the taser, the taser failed and he was jumped immediately and got the shit beat out of him / his eyebrow torn off but I'm busy right now. Cops have a minimum safe distance of 25 feet from any armed suspect, especially one with a blade. Someone with a knife can sprint 25 feet in the blink of an eye, and knives do more damage than guns at extremely close range. I don't think you know this but when you fire a taser both prongs don't go straight, one goes forward and then one goes in a downward angle. If your target so much as flinches your taser shot is fucked.
[QUOTE=Bound;37190829]Posting this here for every armchair warrior that thinks cops have aimbots [/QUOTE] Aren't I being the opposite of arm-chair warrior by advocating a non-lethal approach?
[QUOTE=Lonestriper;37190810]A firearm is more likely to neutralise a threat, yes everyone knows that, I'm just saying that there was a step they didn't take and could have taken which wouldn't have ended up with an obviously mentally unwell person dying. Granted, it may not have worked, but it would have been better off for everyone to do so.[/QUOTE]No, it wouldn't. When someone has a weapon, they immediately have to assume they can and will use it. They become a high threat to everyone around them, and the only way to insure they cannot harm officers and bystanders is to kill them. Everything else poses a risk of failure.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;37190844]No, it wouldn't. When someone has a weapon, they immediately have to assume they can and will use it. They become a high threat to everyone around them, and the only way to insure they cannot harm officers and bystanders is to kill them. Everything else poses a risk of failure.[/QUOTE] So it's not worth a go trying to find a non-lethal approach because it wont ensure that they will stop? Your reasoning is kind of faulty when no-one would be worse off if they did give it a go
[QUOTE=Lonestriper;37190840]Aren't I being the opposite of arm-chair warrior by advocating a non-lethal approach?[/QUOTE]They already tried a non lethal approach, and that didn't work.
[QUOTE=Bound;37190829]Posting this here for every armchair warrior that thinks cops have aimbots : Tasers are unreliable as FUCK. I'd look up a video where a cop was five feet from a man, deployed the taser, the taser failed and he was jumped immediately and got the shit beat out of him / his eyebrow torn off but I'm busy right now. Cops have a minimum safe distance of 25 feet from any armed suspect, especially one with a blade. Someone with a knife can sprint 25 feet in the blink of an eye, and knives do more damage than guns at extremely close range. I don't think you know this but when you fire a taser both prongs don't go straight, one goes forward and then one goes in a downward angle. If your target so much as flinches your taser shot is fucked.[/QUOTE] no one here said cops had aimbots. im pretty sure we already know how tasers worked. even if tasing wasnt a viable option, 5 shots to the stomach is a bit overkill. [editline]11th August 2012[/editline] nevermind he did
I get that people don't like people dying. I understand that. One thing you have to understand is that sometimes, you have to kill a dangerous criminal to ensure many more don't get injured or killed. Tasers have been known to be poor choices, especially in a situation where you have an assailant in such a close proximity to civilians and police officers while he wields a dangerous weapon. I get that non-lethality is always preferred, but we live in real life, and sometimes, there just isn't a way to make that happen.
[QUOTE=ExplodingGuy;37190856]They already tried a non lethal approach, and that didn't work.[/QUOTE] But they didn't attempt to use a taser, which might have
[QUOTE=xxncxx;37190859]no they didnt.[/QUOTE] "A witness said the suspect, who was walking backward for blocks, appeared impervious to police pepper spray and refused to surrender his 10-inch butcher knife."
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