Russian troops move in Sevastopol's city centre as thousands of protesters denounce Kiev 'bandits',
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[QUOTE]SEVASTOPOL, Ukraine (AP) — Dozens of pro-Russian protesters rallied Tuesday in the Crimean Peninsula against "the bandits" in Kiev who are trying to form a new government, with some even speaking of secession, and a Russian lawmaker stoked their passions by promising that Moscow will protect them.
"Russia, save us!" some chanted.
An armored personnel carrier and two trucks full of Russian troops made a rare appearance on the streets of the port city where the Kremlin's Black Sea Fleet is based. A Russian flag fluttered in front of the city council building, replacing the Ukrainian flag that demonstrators had torn down a day earlier.
The protesters pleaded with Moscow to protect them from the new authorities who forced President Viktor Yanukovych to flee the capital and go into hiding.
"Bandits have come to power," said Vyacheslav Tokarev, a 39-year-old construction worker. "I'm ready to take arms to fight the fascists who have seized power in Kiev."
Yanukovych was reportedly last seen in the Crimea, a staunchly pro-Russian region the size of Massachusetts. Law enforcement agencies have issued an arrest warrant for him over the killing of 82 people, mainly protesters, last week in the bloodiest violence in Ukraine's post-Soviet history.
His former chief of staff, Andriy Klyuyev, was wounded by gunfire Monday and hospitalized, spokesman Artem Petrenko told The Associated Press. It wasn't clear where in Ukraine the shooting took place.
The protesters gathered for a third day in front of administrative buildings in Sevastopol and in other Crimean cities in the pro-Moscow region in the southern Ukraine. Protests on Sunday numbered in the thousands.
"We won't allow them to wipe their feet on us," said Anatoly Mareta, wearing the colors of the Russian flag on his arm. "Only Russia will be able to protect the Crimea."
"I hope for the Ossetian way," he added — a reference to the brief but fierce 2008 war in which Russian tanks and troops helped Georgia's separatist provinces of South Ossetia and Abkhazia to break free. Russia has recognized both as independence states, but few other nations have.
Russia, which has thousands of Black Sea Fleet seamen at its base, so far has refrained from any sharp moves in Ukraine's political turmoil, but could be drawn into the fray if there are confrontations between the population in Crimea and the supporters of the new authorities.
The open movement of Russian military vehicles — normally avoided in Sevastopol at Ukraine's request — was seen as a reflection of the tensions in the city.
A senior Russian lawmaker promised protesters that his government will protect its Russian-speaking compatriots in the southern and eastern parts of Ukraine that tilt heavily toward Moscow.
"If lives and health of our compatriots are in danger, we won't stay aside," Leonid Slutsky told activists in Simferopol, the regional capital of Crimea.
Slutsky, who heads a parliamentary committee in charge of relations with other ex-Soviet republics, also promised that the Russian parliament is considering a bill to offer Crimea residents and others in Ukraine a quick way of getting Russian citizenship.
He also declared that Yanukovych remains the only legitimate leader of Ukraine, adding there is a "big question mark" over the legitimacy of the decisions made by the Ukrainian parliament since he left the seat of power.
Slutsky's statements followed more cautious remarks by Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov, who said that Moscow has no intention of interfering in Ukraine's domestic affairs but also warned the West against trying to turn the situation there to its advantage.
Lavrov also criticized the new authorities who assumed control after Yanukovych fled, accusing them of failure to rein in radical groups.
U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry and British Foreign Secretary William Hague said in Washington that their countries oppose any attempt to partition or divide the former Soviet republic into pro-Western and pro-Russian territories.
Ukraine's interim leader, Oleksandr Turchinov, met with top security officials Tuesday to discuss the tensions in Crimea and elsewhere.
Russian President Vladimir Putin also summoned his top security officials Tuesday to discuss Ukraine, but no details were released.
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Whelp, situation just turned shitty, then. Shitti[I]er[/I], that is.
Is this how world war 3 begins?
Holy shit.
fuck off Russia
Saw this coming miles away. Been saying it in like every Ukraine thread that Russia was ready to get in there.
Here comes the sanctions
[QUOTE=Reshy;44047210]Is this how world war 3 begins?[/QUOTE]
Would you people fuck off with this shit? Every single goddamn thread we have about the Russians and the Ukrainians and you muppetheads keep going on and on about war.
[b]IT AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN[/b].
[QUOTE=Reshy;44047210]Is this how world war 3 begins?[/QUOTE]
Because that totally happened the last time Russia attacked a western aligned state.
[QUOTE=Joazzz;44047238]fuck off Russia[/QUOTE]
But the people support them.
[QUOTE=ewitwins;44047247]Would you people fuck off with this shit? Every single goddamn thread we have about the Russians and the Ukrainians and you muppetheads keep going on and on about war.
[b]IT AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN[/b].[/QUOTE]
russia loves war, it's in their blood.
[QUOTE=Reshy;44047210]Is this how world war 3 begins?[/QUOTE]
It honestly could be, if you think about how simply some wars have started. The assassination of a duke in Austria caused an entire world war, so why not a civil war between Ukraine and Crimea?
[QUOTE=ewitwins;44047247]Would you people fuck off with this shit? Every single goddamn thread we have about the Russians and the Ukrainians and you muppetheads keep going on and on about war.
[b]IT AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN[/b].[/QUOTE]
Facepunch has been saying Russain troops would never come into Ukraine; this may not start WW3 but I do see an East and West Ukraine becoming a real thing.
[QUOTE=darkedone02;44047274]russia loves war, it's in their blood.[/QUOTE]
Are you for real? I mean really now that's an unparallel level of ignorance right there.
The people that have Russian citizenship are Russian citizens. I'm sure, DAMNED sure, this is simply a "Hey let's not fuck around here, opposition" move from Russia.
If that's the case, then it's nothing to be concerned about.
[QUOTE=ewitwins;44047288]Are you for real? I mean really now that's an unparallel level of ignorance right there.[/QUOTE]
I think he means Russia loves to flex it's military might. Maybe not always war but they do like to flex it.
[QUOTE=ewitwins;44047247]Would you people fuck off with this shit? Every single goddamn thread we have about the Russians and the Ukrainians and you muppetheads keep going on and on about war.
[b]IT AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN[/b].[/QUOTE]
Except the Russians have claimed that they're going to 'protect' them from the evil bandits in Kiev, depending on what kind of 'protecting' they do they could violate the whole "You don't do anything we don't do anything" truce that the US and Russia has. That could be bad considering that US soldiers have also been deployed, creating the possibility of a clash. If that was to happen it could very quickly escalate.
[QUOTE=Reshy;44047210]Is this how world war 3 begins?[/QUOTE]
World War 4
A war so bad it skips the third one
[QUOTE=Herfjotur;44047277]The assassination of a duke in Austria caused an entire world war[/QUOTE]the world has changed quite a bit since that little culmination point of a decades long buildup
[QUOTE=darkedone02;44047274]russia loves war, it's in their blood.[/QUOTE]
Russia has a defensive mentality, the Russian mindset isn't expansion it's protection of their interests at home and maintaining what they have.
Well the chain of events follows the Russian war in Georgia. Protesters and government of the Crimea support Russia, police vow loyalty to Russia, taxes redirected to local government's instead of federal government, Russia makes it very easy to get Russian passport/citizenship in the Crimea, Russian troops on the ground supporting the protesters and now the federal government in Kiev is considering it's options. No doubt if Kiev tried to force anything upon the Crimea, Russia would intervene considering they already have 25,000 troops on the ground.
Oh for fucks sake would you people along with mass media stop trying to raise panic over two APC's and a platoon worth of soldiers protecting major military installations while the country around them is going to hell?
US deployed marines around their embassy in Kiev and I don't see anyone blame them for taking such precautions. This is the same, just on a larger scale.
[QUOTE=B E A R;44047466]Oh for fucks sake would you people along with mass media stop trying to raise panic over two APC's and a platoon worth of soldiers protecting major military installations while the country around them is going to hell?
US deployed marines around their embassy in Kiev and I don't see anyone blame them for taking such precautions. This is the same, just on a larger scale.[/QUOTE]
Foreign troops on Ukrainian soil over national matters is kind of a big dealio. The U.S. Marines were deployed to the embassy, which technically is U.S. soil. These dudes, while they may be protecting Russian assets, are outside of where they should be.
[QUOTE=laserguided;44047270]But the people support them.[/QUOTE]
Russia has no right intervening in Ukraine. Crimea is a part of Ukraine.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;44047520]Russia has no right intervening in Ukraine. Crimea is a part of Ukraine.[/QUOTE]
Filled with ethnic Russians who want to be part of Russia.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;44047520]Russia has no right intervening in Ukraine. Crimea is a part of Ukraine.[/QUOTE]
Crimea is mostly ethnic Russians. It was transferred to Ukraine in 1954 by a Ukrainian leader of the USSR.
[QUOTE=laserguided;44047562]Crimea is mostly ethnic Russians. It was transferred to Ukraine in 1954 by a Ukrainian leader of the USSR.[/QUOTE]
On this one hand, true, but it is currently part of Ukraine. There should be some sort of diplomacy instead of military intervention.
yep could handle this tactfully and carefully or do this, you could do this.
i have a list of things that would be bad to do,
number 1) this, don't do this
[QUOTE=Herfjotur;44047277]It honestly could be, if you think about how simply some wars have started. The assassination of a duke in Austria caused an entire world war, so why not a civil war between Ukraine and Crimea?[/QUOTE]
the assassination was hardly a reason for the first world war
there was so much imperialism and alliances and everyone was just itching to duke it out and the assassination just happened to come about at a nice enough time to give some decent justification to Germany, Austria-Hungary, Russia, etc.
[QUOTE=Loriborn;44047696]the assassination was hardly a reason for the first world war
there was so much imperialism and alliances and everyone was just itching to duke it out and the assassination just happened to come about at a nice enough time to give some decent justification to Germany, Austria-Hungary, Russia, etc.[/QUOTE]
"the assassination wasnt a reason for the war, all it did was give justification to start the war"
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