• 15th annual national White Privilege Conference
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[quote]Madison, Wisconsin - The city of Madison hosted the 15th annual national White Privilege Conference last week at the Monona Terrace to discuss issues of white supremacy, social justice, education and the Tea Party. The MacIver Institute attended multiple breakout sessions and will be releasing our highlights over the next couple days. Radersma argued that teachers must fight against the oppressive structure in education and society. She said anyone who is going into teaching and education must be a political figure. Teaching is a political act, and you can't choose to be neutral. You are either a pawn used to perpetuate a system of oppression or you are fighting against it," Radersma said during the session. "And if you think you are neutral, you are a pawn." She said educators need to challenge the system, otherwise they are giving in to white supremacy. Radersma also argued the first step is realizing that all white people are carrying the signs of oppression. "Being a white person who does anti-racist work is like being an alcoholic. I will never be recovered by my alcoholism, to use the metaphor," Radersma said. "I have to everyday wake up and acknowledge that I am so deeply imbedded with racist thoughts and notions and actions in my body that I have to choose everyday to do anti-racist work and think in an anti-racist way." [/quote] [url]http://www.maciverinstitute.com/2014/04/White-Privilege-Conf-Teacher/index.php[/url]
[QUOTE]..."Teaching is a political act, and you can't choose to be neutral. You are either a pawn used to perpetuate a system of oppression or you are fighting against it," ..."Being a white person who does anti-racist work is like being an alcoholic. I will never be recovered by my alcoholism, to use the metaphor," Radersma said. "I have to everyday wake up and acknowledge that I am so deeply imbedded with racist thoughts and notions and actions in my body that I have to choose everyday to do anti-racist work and think in an anti-racist way." ...educators need to challenge the system, otherwise they are giving in to white supremacy. [/QUOTE] Its a conservative source funded by the Koch brothers so I won't give it much credit but this person seems pretty crazy.
How can you be a teacher if you are not neutral to political stances? How can you teach the different political views if you are not neutral and therefore biased against one specific view? If the system is promoting white supremacy, why is affirmative action a thing?
[QUOTE=Impact1986;44465145]How can you be a teacher if you are not neutral to political stances? How can you teach the different political views if you are not neutral and therefore biased against one specific view?[/QUOTE] I'm not sure what's the deal elsewhere, but teachers aren't allowed to talk politics here.
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That seems kinda... wacko. Just my opinion, of course, but that seems like crazy person talk. (I live with crazy people so I know what I'm saying.)
[QUOTE] Teaching is a political act, and you can't choose to be neutral[/QUOTE] uh [editline]6th April 2014[/editline] are these people serious
yeah i really don't think teachers should be getting political. although i guess she's less referring to democrats vs republicans and more about getting political with the issues of white privilege and racism within the school system or something? i dunno, she seems a bit nuts
[QUOTE=Allah;44465161]I'm not sure what's the deal elsewhere, but teachers aren't allowed to talk politics here.[/QUOTE] Depends on the class. If it's a history class you would of course discuss the politics of the times, if it's a social studies class you would of course discuss politics. Teachers should not actively support one side or the other, their job is to teach not to indoctrinate. They can bring up the things each side stands for and help students come to their own conclusions but they should never be seen (in the classroom) to be actively supporting one side and putting down the other. It's very difficult to do for some people, so they shouldn't teach classes that ever bring stuff like that up. Math, art, language classes don't have any reason to bring up political dialogue.
[QUOTE=Chronische;44465223]Depends on the class. If it's a history class you would of course discuss the politics of the times, if it's a social studies class you would of course discuss politics. Teachers should not actively support one side or the other, their job is to teach not to indoctrinate. They can bring up the things each side stands for and help students come to their own conclusions but they should never be seen (in the classroom) to be actively supporting one side and putting down the other. It's very difficult to do for some people, so they shouldn't teach classes that ever bring stuff like that up. Math, art, language classes don't have any reason to bring up political dialogue.[/QUOTE] i think when it comes to issues like racism, homophobia, transphobia and misogyny teachers definitely should support one side
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;44465211]yeah i really don't think teachers should be getting political. although i guess she's less referring to democrats vs republicans and more about getting political with the issues of white privilege and racism within the school system or something? i dunno, she seems a bit nuts[/QUOTE] I would think it's referring to issues where the 'controversy' is a false one, like evolution or whether or not racism 'actually' exists.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;44465249]i think when it comes to issues like racism, homophobia, transphobia and misogyny teachers definitely should support one side[/QUOTE] White guilt is counterproductive to combating racism in society.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;44465249]i think when it comes to issues like racism, homophobia, transphobia and misogyny teachers definitely should support one side[/QUOTE] I meant things like Democrats vs Republicans. You are correct on that.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;44465253]White guilt is counterproductive to combating racism in society.[/QUOTE] yeah but the concept of white guilt is just bullshit persecution complex crap so yeah [editline]6th April 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Megafan;44465251]I would think it's referring to issues where the 'controversy' is a false one, like evolution or whether or not racism 'actually' exists.[/QUOTE] i'm not sure if it's anything to do with evolution. seems like it's fairly focused on racism
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;44465269] i'm not sure if it's anything to do with evolution. seems like it's fairly focused on racism[/QUOTE] Seems to be to an extreme degree focused on how much white people suck. That's not very helpful now is it? "Who's at fault? My white body is at fault" "Another topic of discussion was how white people's actions, like donating to charity or helping a family in need, are inherently racist." Holy shit. Fucking madness.
[QUOTE=Chronische;44465299]Seems to be to an extreme degree focused on how much white people suck. That's not very helpful now is it?[/QUOTE] it is if you're going to look at white privilege and acknowledging the inherent advantages white people have and the inherent disadvantages that minorities have in the USA as some sort of personal attack on all white people. but it's not, it's acknowledging inbuilt racism within the system and trying to change that. you can say it's not helpful, but i think it's more helpful than just what, doing nothing? saying racism is over? i'm not sure what your idea/stance is on the situation [editline]6th April 2014[/editline] it's not about fault, it's about 'this is what the situation is, yes it may be the result of racism in the days before any of us were born, but ignoring it will only perpetuate it' [editline]6th April 2014[/editline] "Another topic of discussion was how white people's actions, like donating to charity or helping a family in need, are inherently racist." ok yeah that's stupid lol
White privilege is just as mystical and bizarre as the 'Patriarchy'.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;44465318]it is if you're going to look at white privilege and acknowledging the inherent advantages white people have and the inherent disadvantages that minorities have in the USA as some sort of personal attack on all white people. but it's not, it's acknowledging inbuilt racism within the system and trying to change that. you can say it's not helpful, but i think it's more helpful than just what, doing nothing? saying racism is over? i'm not sure what your idea/stance is on the situation[/QUOTE] I'm reading the rest of her lines. Seems pretty clear that it's an attack rather than an attempt to actually institute a helpful change. The kind of bile she is spewing is crazy. The institutions do need to be changed but not by someone as crazy as her. "Another topic of discussion was how white people's actions, like donating to charity or helping a family in need, are inherently racist." That kind of shit is sickening.
[QUOTE=Chronische;44465345]I'm reading the rest of her lines. Seems pretty clear that it's an attack rather than an attempt to actually institute a helpful change. The kind of bile she is spewing is crazy. The institutions do need to be changed but not by someone as crazy as her. "Another topic of discussion was how white people's actions, like donating to charity or helping a family in need, are inherently racist." That kind of shit is sickening.[/QUOTE] well yeah like i said, this lady seems quite nuts but the concept of white privilege isn't
[QUOTE=Chronische;44465299]Seems to be to an extreme degree focused on how much white people suck. That's not very helpful now is it? "Who's at fault? My white body is at fault" "Another topic of discussion was how white people's actions, like donating to charity or helping a family in need, are inherently racist." Holy shit. Fucking madness.[/QUOTE] Well you're talking about something that isn't mainstream at all. Privilege is covered in most college-level sociology courses, but not in whatever way you or this teacher are describing it. Most typically, it's the concept that people in society have pre-conceived notions about people who appear to be certain 'races' (a trait not uniquely expressed in biology). Therefore, if you appear to be a 'race' that a majority of people in an area view as 'normal' or 'good' or one having 'normal' or 'good' characteristics, then you'll benefit from that. It has nothing to do with saying "oh white people are bad". [editline]5th April 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Chronische;44465345]I'm reading the rest of her lines. Seems pretty clear that it's an attack rather than an attempt to actually institute a helpful change. The kind of bile she is spewing is crazy. The institutions do need to be changed but not by someone as crazy as her. "Another topic of discussion was how white people's actions, like donating to charity or helping a family in need, are inherently racist." That kind of shit is sickening.[/QUOTE] Yeah, and she's probably not the common example. What she's saying is wrong, but she's talking about something that is different from the mainstream of academia.
[QUOTE=Megafan;44465356]Well you're talking about something that isn't mainstream at all. Privilege is covered in most college-level sociology courses, but not in whatever way you or this teacher are describing it. Most typically, it's the concept that people in society have pre-conceived notions about people who appear to be certain 'races' (a trait not uniquely expressed in biology). Therefore, if you appear to be a 'race' that a majority of people in an area view as 'normal' or 'good' or one having 'normal' or 'good' characteristics, then you'll benefit from that. It has nothing to do with saying "oh white people are bad".[/QUOTE] I get that, but she apparently doesn't based on her comments. I'm not saying it doesn't exist, or isn't very prevalent, just that she is fucking crazy.
[QUOTE=seano12;44465335]White privilege is just as mystical and bizarre as the 'Patriarchy'.[/QUOTE] Its treated as the same thing. You didn't do anything yourself but you're still to blame for your collective groups past/ongoing faults.
[QUOTE=Chronische;44465371]I get that, but she apparently doesn't based on her comments. I'm not saying it doesn't exist, or isn't very prevalent, just that she is fucking crazy.[/QUOTE] Well okay, but my point is that just because this particular person or group of people are teaching/learning the wrong things, it doesn't mean the actual concept itself is wrong. [editline]5th April 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Rangergxi;44465375]Its treated as the same thing. You didn't do anything yourself but you're still to blame for your collective groups past/ongoing faults.[/QUOTE] For the last time, and this has been explained to you a number of times, no one is blaming you or any individual 'white' person. 'White' isn't even a consistent grouping of people in history. All it's saying is that white people and male people receive a number of assumed benefits in certain western countries as a result of being the dominant social group for many years.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;44465375]Its treated as the same thing. You didn't do anything yourself but you're still to blame for your collective groups past/ongoing faults.[/QUOTE] yeah that must be it. no persecution complex here. the concepts of white privilege and patriarchy within society are in fact just personal attacks on white people and men thanks for letting us know rangergxi despite having it explained to you numerous times good to see you really take it in
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;44465375]Its treated as the same thing. You didn't do anything yourself but you're still to blame for your collective groups past/ongoing faults.[/QUOTE] I'm still to blame for my collective group's past and ongoing faults eh... like what? My family came here during the LATE 19th century so you can't blame me for slavery, and everyone fought valiantly to defend freedom during world war two. Let's see nobody was a part of any radical group such as the KKK, and everyone worked hard to support their families. Nope, nothing to be blamed for at all. I don't see how you can blame a whole 'race' for the actions of a few. You know what I really think of this white privilege concept? I think it's a victim complex for non-whites, and I believe it's a distraction. A distraction to keep people from finding and solving society's true issues and faults and that has to do mainly with the power system itself.
[QUOTE=seano12;44465428]I'm still to blame for my collective group's past and ongoing faults eh... like what? My family came here during the 19th century so you can't blame me for slavery, and everyone fought valiantly to defend freedom during world war two. Let's see nobody was a part of any radical group such as the KKK, and everyone worked hard to support their families. Nope, nothing to be blamed for at all. I don't see how you can blame a whole 'race' for the actions of a few. You know what I really think of this white privilege concept? I think it's a victim complex for non-whites, and I believe it's a distraction. A distraction to keep people from finding and solving society's true issues and faults and that has to do mainly with the power system itself.[/QUOTE] it's not about blame, and even if your family was never involved with any of that stuff if you're white you still benefit from it, and if you're black you're still disadvantaged because of it.
[QUOTE=seano12;44465428]I'm still to blame for my collective group's past and ongoing faults eh... like what?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Rangergxi;44465375]Its treated as the same thing. [B]You didn't do anything yourself but you're still to blame for your collective groups past/ongoing faults[/B].[/QUOTE] Not what I believe. I'm saying thats how its treated.
white people and males have it so hard i couldn't imagine having to endure the persecution of this poor downtrodden minority :(.
[QUOTE=Megafan;44465377] For the last time, and this has been explained to you a number of times, no one is blaming you or any individual 'white' person. 'White' isn't even a consistent grouping of people in history. All it's saying is that white people and male people receive a number of assumed benefits in certain western countries as a result of being the dominant social group for many years.[/QUOTE] What benefits? As far as I know, race doesn't matter and people are already equal in most Western countries.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;44465375]Its treated as the same thing. You didn't do anything yourself but you're still to blame for your collective groups past/ongoing faults.[/QUOTE] That's stupid as fuck. I can understand giving a term to the citizens of a nation or humanity, but classifying people who need to live day by day as being blamed since it's a Collective is just fucking horrible. "Hello you're bad because of being White." Is simply what it's saying, and no matter how you spin it you will always get a negative response because it's completely stupid.
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