• 'It can be a legacy': Democrats urge Trump not to retreat on gun control
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[quote]After the meeting Chris Cox, executive director of the NRA’s lobbying arm, tweeted: “POTUS & VPOTUS support the second amendment, support strong due process and don’t want gun control.” Trump tweeted that the meeting had been “great”. On Sunday, the Connecticut senator Chris Murphy told ABC’s This Week: “The president is trying to have it both ways. I think he knows that the mood of the country has shifted.” Led by student survivors of the shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas high school on 14 February, on issues including background checks and the availability of military style semi-automatic rifles has grown. Murphy, who represents the families of 20 young children and six adults killed at Sandy Hook elementary school in 2012, predicted an electoral cost in the midterm elections this year. “[Trump’s] instincts in that meeting are not wrong,” he said, “and if he and Republicans don’t start showing some movement … there aren’t going to be as many Republicans around for him come 2019.” Another Democratic senator, Joe Manchin of West Virginia, told CNN’s State of the Union he believed the president would sign his bill to boost background checks, co-sponsored with the Pennsylvania Republican Pat Toomey, if it made it to his desk. “It’s up to the president, truly,” he said. “That can be a legacy for him.”[/quote] [url]https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/mar/04/democrats-urge-trump-not-to-retreat-on-gun-control[/url] [I]"Baby, come back..."[/I] :v:
This is all a complete disaster
It really feels like this shooting was the one that broke the camels back, it feels like there is more mobilization for gun control than in prior years.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;53179442]It really feels like this shooting was the one that broke the camels back, it feels like there is more mobilization for gun control than in prior years.[/QUOTE] My guess is it's because the GOP have control of the federal government and the anti-gun crowd know that they won't do anything with gun control. When Sandyhook happened, there was hardly an uproar because the Dems were in office and expected to do something, even though they didn't.
When will actual school reform and help come to troubled kids that are pushed to commit these atrocities? No one even cares about the real nuanced issues, Republicans deflect any gun control with "Mental health! that thing we never ever support!", and democrats are completely dead-set on "assault weapons" being banned. It's fucking shameful that this two dimensional thinking is what leads the country on both aisles/
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;53179482]My guess is it's because the GOP have control of the federal government and the anti-gun crowd know that they won't do anything with gun control. When Sandyhook happened, there was hardly an uproar because the Dems were in office and expected to do something, even though they didn't.[/QUOTE] The anti-gun narrative is normally reactionary while the pro-gun narrative is always active. Under Obama that activity was channeled pretty carefully and effectively, even in the wake of mass shootings. Towards the end of the Obama presidency it got a lot more out of touch, to the point where it's regressed to where it was in the Clinton/Bush era. I think reactionary narratives in general have a lot more to gain when the opposition is acting in such a way.
[QUOTE=Hilton;53180320]When will actual school reform and help come to troubled kids that are pushed to commit these atrocities? No one even cares about the real nuanced issues, Republicans deflect any gun control with "Mental health! that thing we never ever support!", and democrats are completely dead-set on "assault weapons" being banned. It's fucking shameful that this two dimensional thinking is what leads the country on both aisles/[/QUOTE] Why have nuanced debated when we can just share a meme on Facebook that calls the other side retarded and unfriend anyone who disagrees?
[QUOTE=Propane Addict;53180339]Why have nuanced debated when we can just share a meme on Facebook that calls the other side retarded and unfriend anyone who disagrees?[/QUOTE] Man that is so much of the problem, people care more about their pride than their country. No one is willing to think and concede their argument in anyway if it goes against what they've already believed. It's why I try to talk to many different people from different perspectives/cultures and understand their point of view and show them mine. If Americans can push themselves to use their brains instead of their egos we could get so much done.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;53179442]It really feels like this shooting was the one that broke the camels back, it feels like there is more mobilization for gun control than in prior years.[/QUOTE] I think this might not have blown up as much as it did if it weren't for the NRA (and pro-NRA douchenozzles) being such festering cocksores and basically belittling the survivors.
thats not gonna work, to work with trump you gotta use reverse psychology "Don't you dare pass gun control laws!"
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;53181065]thats not gonna work, to work with trump you gotta use reverse psychology "Don't you dare pass gun control laws!"[/QUOTE] I can see Trump going hard if he think it's going to be something he'll be praised for in history books. He might even think that he'll win over all the democrats if he does it too. He's honestly dumb enough that the legacy talk might get to him.
Yeah, if they go to him with "People will remember you for this, it'll be a legacy" I can totally see Trump going for it.
[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;53180852]I think this might not have blown up as much as it did if it weren't for the NRA (and pro-NRA douchenozzles) being such festering cocksores and basically belittling the survivors.[/QUOTE] I guess it's good that they're dumb enough to think that victim blaming is MORE likely to get us to ignore the problem?
[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;53180852]I think this might not have blown up as much as it did if it weren't for the NRA (and pro-NRA douchenozzles) being such festering cocksores and basically belittling the survivors.[/QUOTE] I mean, everyone in politics gets belittled by the opposite side. They don't get a pass pushing for bad legislation because they survived a tragedy. They wanted to drag it all into politics, they should have expected it. I truly do sympathize with them for what happened. But when you drag it into politics, all bets are off. [QUOTE=Zero-Point;53182740]I guess it's good that they're dumb enough to think that victim blaming is MORE likely to get us to ignore the problem?[/QUOTE] Nobody wants to ignore the problem. People just disagree on the solution, and we need everyone to agree on the solution. And saying "your policy won't solve anything" isn't victim blaming. Being a victim doesn't automatically turn shitty policy into great policy.
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;53183396]And saying "your policy won't solve anything" isn't victim blaming. Being a victim doesn't automatically turn shitty policy into great policy.[/QUOTE] I'm talking about the "victim-blamers" who say things like "Well if someone had a gun this wouldn't have happened/been so bad!" when this is demonstrably not the case here, as someone DID have a gun, it just turns out he also had no intention of using it. You know, the same sort that say "Well if you didn't dress that way you wouldn't look like you were asking for it".
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