• Palestinian boy shot dead by Israeli forces
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[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/Ln07Apk.jpg[/IMG] [QUOTE]Israeli forces have shot and killed a Palestinian boy in a village in the occupied West Bank, local medics and residents said. Thirteen-year-old Bahaa Badr was shot as Israeli forces entered Beit Liqya near the separation wall with Israel, and were reportedly pelted with stones by local youths on Thursday. Tensions in the occupied West Bank have risen since Israel's seven-week war in Gaza began in July and killed more than 2,000 Palestinians - mostly civilians - and more than 70 Israelis, almost all of them soldiers. In recent days, tensions also spiked amid Palestinian charges that Israel is limiting access to Palestinian worshippers at the Haram al-Sharif in East Jerusalem. Israel has occupied the West Bank and East Jerusalem since capturing them in the 1967 war. Palestinians want the territories, along with the Gaza Strip, for a future state. Peace talks between Israel and the Palestinians mediated by the United States collapsed in April.[/QUOTE] [URL="http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/10/palestinian-boy-shot-dead-israeli-forces-20141016232716610894.html"]Source[/URL].
crap... not again
parents should seriously consider not taking their children to protests. it isn't uncommon in that area for children stoning IDF and getting hurt as a result. On the other hand IDF's using bullets on protestors is unacceptable.
I wonder how many weeping mothers it will take before the Israeli Palestinian conflict is over.
[QUOTE=kaine123;46258516]I wonder how many weeping mothers it will take before the Israeli Palestinian conflict is over.[/QUOTE] All of them.
here's a solution, stop throwing rocks? you can kill someone by throwing a rock at them, obviously not easy toward a soldier with a helmet on, but still. don't throw a rock at an already aggressive situation
[QUOTE=Covalent;46259735]here's a solution, stop throwing rocks? you can kill someone by throwing a rock at them, obviously not easy toward a soldier with a helmet on, but still. don't throw a rock at an already aggressive situation[/QUOTE]A thrown rock does NOT warrant a bullet in response.
[QUOTE=Solo Wing;46259749]A thrown rock does NOT warrant a bullet in response.[/QUOTE] The thing I don't get is that kids see and hear about this type of stuff-- they know kids get shot over throwing rocks, yet they continue to do it anyway. It's as if they don't care about their own lives-- and that's pretty damn concerning.
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;46259799]"Lets kill everybody who does crime so nobody will do crime anymore!" Not to mention that little boys dont watch the news, or witness such stuff on a daily basis, they couldnt know[/QUOTE]"[I]Most Palestinian households have a radio and TV, and satellite dishes for receiving international coverage are widespread. Recently, PalTel announced and has begun implementing an initiative to provide ADSL broadband internet service to all households and businesses. Israel's cable television company HOT, satellite television provider (DBS) Yes, AM and FM radio broadcast stations and public television broadcast stations all operate.[/I]" - Wikipedia. They have full access to the news, and it's pretty shitty parenting to let your kids do something so risky. Not to mention, I imagine it being common knowledge that throwing rocks at the dudes with guns is probably a really bad idea, even if the kid's parents don't object to it.
[QUOTE=Monkah;46259787]The thing I don't get is that kids see and hear about this type of stuff-- they know kids get shot over throwing rocks, yet they continue to do it anyway. It's as if they don't care about their own lives-- and that's pretty damn concerning.[/QUOTE] Yeah if they cared about their lives they would still live a quality life in the middle of this shitstorm between Israel and Hamas. It is almost like they are uneducated immature human beings, right?
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;46259848]Children are dumb, dont expect otherwise. Soldiers dont need to be dumber, thats my point. [editline]17th October 2014[/editline] Also I didnt say they dont have access to news, they dont watch the news How many 13 year olds watch news anyway[/QUOTE] A good number of them, actually.
[QUOTE=RockmanYoshi;46260080]A good number of them, actually.[/QUOTE] Yeah, every kid who lives in a war zone just watches news 24/7. Because, you know, they're children and children don't often use escapism to hide from their problems. Child psychology 101, kids who have really fucked up childhoods often have over active and incredibly vivid imaginations because this is how they learn to cope with the hardships in life. Now take abusive home life and crank that shit up to war zone levels of intense and please again try to tell me that it's logical to assume that a large majority of kids are completely paying attention to the latest news and shit. This isn't America where we live in fucking relative comfort and the news isn't always about how the local hospital was bombed by an overly aggressive occupational force for the 6th time this week.
[QUOTE=Covalent;46259735]here's a solution, stop throwing rocks? you can kill someone by throwing a rock at them, obviously not easy toward a soldier with a helmet on, but still. don't throw a rock at an already aggressive situation[/QUOTE] he's a kid
[QUOTE=Solo Wing;46259749]A thrown rock does NOT warrant a bullet in response.[/QUOTE] Try throwing rocks at a police officer wherever you are and see what happens.
[QUOTE=Bat-shit;46263815]Try throwing rocks at a police officer wherever you are and see what happens.[/QUOTE] Here in the UK, I'd get a slap on the wrist at best and possibly a short amount of jail time at worst (if that) Not shot.
[QUOTE=Monkah;46259787]The thing I don't get is that kids see and hear about this type of stuff-- they know kids get shot over throwing rocks, yet they continue to do it anyway. It's as if they don't care about their own lives-- and that's pretty damn concerning.[/QUOTE] Easy to say while you sit on your ass behind a computer screen and haven't been subjected to military occupation your entire life.
[QUOTE=draugur;46262756]Yeah, every kid who lives in a war zone just watches news 24/7. Because, you know, they're children and children don't often use escapism to hide from their problems. Child psychology 101, kids who have really fucked up childhoods often have over active and incredibly vivid imaginations because this is how they learn to cope with the hardships in life. Now take abusive home life and crank that shit up to war zone levels of intense and please again try to tell me that it's logical to assume that a large majority of kids are completely paying attention to the latest news and shit. This isn't America where we live in fucking relative comfort and the news isn't always about how the local hospital was bombed by an overly aggressive occupational force for the 6th time this week.[/QUOTE] He didn't say "how many 13 year olds in the Palestinian territories watch news", he said "how many 13 year olds watch news anyway". I get the thread is about Palestine, but it was a really general question.
[QUOTE=kaine123;46258516]I wonder how many weeping mothers it will take before the Israeli Palestinian conflict is over.[/QUOTE] The mothers won't be weeping, as the beast will not be satisfied until all have perished. If you're going to carry out a campaign of genocide, you don't half-ass it.
"They threw rocks at us; nothing in our training could have prepared us for this"
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;46258412]Parents dont bring their children, children were throwing stones at Israeli soldiers by themselves, I mean, throw some tear gas or something, not fucking actual bullet[/QUOTE] it doesn't matter. no matter what, children should be kept away from this kind of stuff. They either told by their parents that IDF is "bad" or never checked on by their parents. A normal kid shouldn't try to stone someone, let alone protesting about something. Also i dont think you can make statements like " throw some tear gas or something, not fucking actual bullet", since you weren't there when this incident happened. What if the children greatly out numbered IDF soldiers and as a last result they started using live bullets. [U][B]These children tried to stone soldiers[/B], for fucks sake.[/U]
[QUOTE=cucumber;46266524][U][B]These children tried to stone soldiers[/B], for fucks sake.[/U][/QUOTE] I'm not sure you realize how ridiculous it sounds when you try to upgrade the threat level from "throwing rocks" to "stoning" when even in your words you call them children. [B][U]For fucks sake, these kids were trying to [I]boulder[/I] the soldiers. They wanted to [I]crag[/I] the IDF. They were going to [I]Dwayne Johnson[/I] the troops.[/U][/B] It doesn't sound any more dire if you substitute words and phrases. Also, how many kids does it take in one group before the IDF become justified in shooting at them? Is there some arbitrary limit of schoolchildren in the street where teargas suddenly stops working? Also you mentioned the idea that this was a "last resort" maneuver, but after a lot of news articles like this over the past few years I'm not sure if the Israelis have any other resorts aside from the ones they're currently building on recently-acquired Palestinian land.
[QUOTE=Solo Wing;46259749]A thrown rock does NOT warrant a bullet in response.[/QUOTE] Keep in mind that it's not just "thrown" roxks. It's slingshot fired rocks. [IMG]http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2014/10/17/1413539340353/Palestinian-protester-nea-011.jpg[/IMG] From [URL="http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/17/teenage-boy-shot-dead-israeli-troops-west-bank"]here[/URL]. Also not mentioned in the OP: Molotov cocktails. [QUOTE]According to reports, soldiers opened fire after demonstrators [B]threw stones and Molotov cocktails at three Israel army Jeeps[/B] that entered the village west of Ramallah. It is still unclear whether Badr took part in the clashes, which the Israeli army described as an “illegal riot”. A spokesperson for the Israeli military said the army would investigate the killings, and that soldiers had been forced to fire at the boy when [B]he threw a firebomb at them[/B].[/QUOTE] Which could of course be false. It wouldn't be the first time the IDF made something up to justify a killing. But at least it means the story isn't as one sided as the OP makes it seem.
[QUOTE=cucumber;46266524][U][B]These children tried to stone soldiers[/B], for fucks sake.[/U][/QUOTE] Ahahah do you know what stoning is? You're put into a hole, with a blanket tied around your body and head, with some boulders piled as well keep you tightly in the hole. And then they start throwing rocks at you that are "not too small, but not too big" as specified in the [I]law[/I], with a medical expert present to check the pulse of the doomed every once in a while until you die of the stoning. Yet you call what these kids were doing as stoning..? [editline]18th October 2014[/editline] I'm sure you know this.. Then again I do respect your viewpoint, and agree that it puts your squad of soldiers in a really tricky and threatening situation when you're surrounded and outnumbered by children throwing rocks at you, to the point where you may even open fire to disperse them.
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;46266718]In Turkey, PKK sympathizers throw not only stones, but also molotov coktails, threatening police officer's lives. But police doesnt ever use live bullets, rubber at most. Not to mention that our police is generally more brutal than their western counterparts. [editline]18th October 2014[/editline] They generally try to arrest those individuals, not kill them without proper judgement.[/QUOTE] Yeah, but those aren't [I]filthy Palestinian children[/I] trying to [I][B]STONE[/B][/I] [I][B][U]God's Glorious Israeli Army![/U][/B][/I] /cucumber [editline]18th October 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=RockmanYoshi;46266153]He didn't say "how many 13 year olds in the Palestinian territories watch news", he said "how many 13 year olds watch news anyway". I get the thread is about Palestine, but it was a really general question.[/QUOTE] I'll take "how does context work" for 500, Alex.
[QUOTE=ScumBunny;46267210]Keep in mind that it's not just "thrown" roxks. It's slingshot fired rocks. [IMG]http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2014/10/17/1413539340353/Palestinian-protester-nea-011.jpg[/IMG] From [URL="http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/17/teenage-boy-shot-dead-israeli-troops-west-bank"]here[/URL]. Also not mentioned in the OP: Molotov cocktails.[/QUOTE] Oh, well in that case, it does call for some return fire. [editline]18th October 2014[/editline] Also looking at OP, and the picture.. I'm guessing that picture is old, and not at all recent photo of the kid who got killed?
And we're back to the issue of Palestine stirring shit up and Israel answering with force that's far from a proportionate response. God damn, what is it with these people?
Israel Hayom says the boy was going to throw a Molotov cocktail at the soldiers: [quote] The Palestinian boy approached the soldiers and as he was preparing to throw a Molotov cocktail at them, according to the Israeli army report, one of the soldiers felt his life threatened and opened fire toward him. [/quote] [url=http://www.israelhayom.com/site/newsletter_article.php?id=20791]src[/url]
[QUOTE=Bat-shit;46270540] Also looking at OP, and the picture.. I'm guessing that picture is old, and not at all recent photo of the kid who got killed?[/QUOTE] According to the caption below the picture its supposed to be recent, from the current round of clashes. [QUOTE]A Palestinian protester throws a rock at Israeli security forces during a protest near Ramallah against restrictions at the Al-Aqsa Mosque. Photograph: Abbas Momani/AFP/Getty Images[/QUOTE] The restrictions in the Al-Aqsa mosque are the reason for the protests that are happening right now. I also searched the image in tineye and I don't see it appearing anywhere before 10/11/14. [editline]18th October 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Trebgarta;46270838]Israel Hayom just tells the Israeli military report, which was posted here too IIRC, by Scumbunny.[/QUOTE] Israel Hayom isn't a newspaper. It's a pretend newspaper being published by a billionaire friend of Netanyahu and is handed out free of charge in Israel, killing off paid newspapers along the way. It's violently pro-Netanyahu. Regardless, I linked to an article in the Guardian, though they quoted the IDF as well. One last thing. I searched, and almost every source I saw reporting on this mentions at least one molotov cocktail involved in the clash between the IDF and the protesters. Only Al Jazeera left it at "soldiers pelted with stones".
Al Jazeera did mention (that the IDF said) that they were supposedly throwing Molotovs: [QUOTE=Al Jazeera]It is unclear whether the boy took part in the confrontation, which the Israeli army described as an "illegal riot" in which residents threw Molotov cocktails at their forces, as they were exiting the village.[/QUOTE]
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