IT BEGINS: Texas Senate is Voting on a REFERENDUM on INDEPENDENCE from the United States today.
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[QUOTE]A proposal to put Texas secession to a non-binding vote in March passed a state GOP committee vote in Austin on Friday afternoon, clearing the way for a vote Saturday by the Party's full executive assembly, party officials reported.
The resolution would put a breakup with Uncle Sam to a non-binding vote, which would essentially serve as an opinion poll and wouldn't legally compel Texas to secede.[/QUOTE]
I for one support this.
[quote]which would essentially serve as an opinion poll and wouldn't legally compel Texas to secede.[/quote]
this seems a bit less exciting than your title implied
Nothing's going to happen.
gosh bless [IMG]http://forums.reebosak.net/images/smilies/emot-911.gif[/IMG]
Texas won't secede though there's no reason why they should.
It's just the government wasting everyone's time and money doing useless shit as per usual.
god we have so many other things to be focused on as a state, not this dumb garbage
why do I live here
Now, if we could just round up all the Republicans and send them to Texas...
Isn't it illegal on a federal level for a state to secede? I remember being told that
[QUOTE=Darth Ninja;49251524]gosh bless [IMG]http://forums.reebosak.net/images/smilies/emot-911.gif[/IMG]
Texas won't secede though there's no reason why they should.
It's just the government wasting everyone's time and money doing useless shit as per usual.[/QUOTE]
Texas would net over 17 billion dollars a year by leaving the US, and it'll benefit a majority of people because then we'll no longer have to pay income tax which accounts to 20% of my paycheck.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;49251516]this seems a bit less exciting than your title implied[/QUOTE]
I mean, if it was voted on to be like 80%, thing could get somewhere, but I bet it wont be higher that like 2%
I want to live in texas, I like the climate and the housing is cheap
[QUOTE=Broseph_;49251558]Texas would net over 17 billion dollars a year by leaving the US, and it'll benefit a majority of people because then we'll no longer have to pay income tax which accounts to 20% of my paycheck.[/QUOTE]
wait you actually fucking believe that seceding from the US will actually do you any good?
Also it'll be nice if we lost a lot of the idiotic import regulations so we could get neat European cars here.
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[QUOTE=Big Bang;49251579]wait you actually fucking believe that seceding from the US will actually do you any good?[/QUOTE]
What good does being apart of the US do for Texas? There's nothing made in America I can't find made in Texas apart from shitty cars.
[QUOTE=Broseph_;49251558]Texas would net over 17 billion dollars a year by leaving the US, and it'll benefit a majority of people because then we'll no longer have to pay income tax which accounts to 20% of my paycheck.[/QUOTE]
Indeed, you'll no longer have to pay income tax to Washtingon, which is very good news indeed.
You will however will most likely have to pay a "salary tax" which is 1/5th of your wages to Austin instead.
[QUOTE=Broseph_;49251558]Texas would net over 17 billion dollars a year by leaving the US, and it'll benefit a majority of people because then we'll no longer have to pay income tax which accounts to 20% of my paycheck.[/QUOTE]
Seceding would only screw Texas over in the long run. Besides isn't the aim to follow the constitution more closely? I'm sorry but if you follow an outdated document that was written in a completely different are without question then that's not good.
[QUOTE=Broseph_;49251581]Also it'll be nice if we lost a lot of the idiotic import regulations so we could get neat European cars here.
[editline]5th December 2015[/editline]
What good does being apart of the US do for Texas? There's nothing made in America I can't find made in Texas apart from shitty cars.[/QUOTE]
Food, maybe?
[QUOTE=Broseph_;49251558]Texas would net over 17 billion dollars a year by leaving the US, and it'll benefit a majority of people because then we'll no longer have to pay income tax which accounts to 20% of my paycheck.[/QUOTE]
I don't think that Texas going independent means they're going to stop taxing your income.
[QUOTE=DiscoMelon;49251605]I don't think that Texas going independent means they're going to stop taxing your income.[/QUOTE]
Who's gonna tax my income? Texas has no state income tax.
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[QUOTE=Headhumpy;49251596]Food, maybe?[/QUOTE]
Texas is a bread basket, we export food to the rest of the US, apart from select fruits there's nothing grown in the US we don't already have.
[QUOTE=Broseph_;49251608]Who's gonna tax my income? Texas has no state income tax.
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That doesn't mean there wouldn't be an income tax if Texas seceded.
[QUOTE=Broseph_;49251608]Who's gonna tax my income? Texas has no state income tax.[/QUOTE]
Doesn't mean they won't implement an income tax if they become independent. Being independent means that they would need way more money than they need now.
[QUOTE=Broseph_;49251608]Who's gonna tax my income? Texas has no state income tax.
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Texas is a bread basket, we export food to the rest of the US, apart from select fruits there's nothing grown in the US we don't already have.[/QUOTE]
What's stopping them from introducing one? You won't find a developed place on earth that doesn't have income tax.
[QUOTE=Broseph_;49251608]Who's gonna tax my income? Texas has no state income tax.[/QUOTE]
Do you seriously think that the state won't institute income taxes if it becomes independent?
Who gives a shit about Texas?
I've been lobbying Christie to secede for years. An independent Jersey is a great Jersey.
[QUOTE=Headhumpy;49251649]Do you seriously think that the state won't institute income taxes if it becomes independent?[/QUOTE]
Why would they, when independence will result in Texas getting control of all these oil rigs.
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[QUOTE=Broseph_;49251558]we'll no longer have to pay income tax[/QUOTE]
lol
A size comparison of Texas:
[img]http://www.texasmonthly.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2015/01/germany.png[/img]
It's obvious that a developed country/state needs income tax to function.
The thing is that the government need to spend that on public infrastructure like hospitals/schools/road etc, and not on "selfish" things for an example; a raise on a select number of people in the government.
[QUOTE=Broseph_;49251608]Who's gonna tax my income? Texas has no state income tax.[/QUOTE]
who's going to defend your borders? Texas militias? would they in any way be stronger than any other national military? who's going to represent you to the world, would Texas have even a fraction of the international recognition and authority that the US have? where would Texas have embassies? what would Texas be in the UN? what guarantees that Texas will not suffer the same fate as the Confederates?
what are you going to do with the hundreds of thousands of US federal agencies, institutions, offices and land that would now belong to the state of Texas? hell, what about NASA? would you give them back? would you expropriate them? what happens to the prisoners in federal prisons in Texas, do they become Texan prisoners, and if so, under what law, the US, or Texas? what about citizens in Texas who don't want to be part of an independent Texan state, what do you do about them? what do you do about immigrants, legal or otherwise? what about people born outside of Texas that want to be Texan? like, would you even have a passport? who would run the Texas courts? who would be the highest judicial authority?
it's even more hellish in terms of economics. what currency would you use? would you continue to use the US dollar and still be subject to the control of the Federal Reserve? why would anybody in the US seek to invest in Texas rather than elsewhere, just because of the removal of income tax? what about all the assets the US Treasury has that Texas would no longer be able to access? what about the hundreds of thousands of companies registered in Texas under US laws, would they no longer exist in Texas, what laws govern them, what laws protects them? what about international trade?
hell what even stops the new Texan government from creating new taxes? I mean, the only reason why you want Texas to secede is due to taxes, right? what makes you think that with Texas being independent you will have more personal income?
[QUOTE=Broseph_;49251672]Why would they, when independence will result in Texas getting control of all these oil rigs.
[IMG]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/21/Gulf_Coast_Platforms.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
who's even going to take control of those rigs? the Texas Navy, does such a thing even exist? would any of the companies owning them be willing to give them away to Texas? hell what claims does Texas have there? what guarantee do you even have through secession that the US will grant Texas maritime territory that is economically active? like are you not aware huge maritime disputes happen for much less than this?
[QUOTE=Broseph_;49251558]Texas would net over 17 billion dollars a year by leaving the US, and it'll benefit a majority of people because then we'll no longer have to pay income tax which accounts to 20% of my paycheck.[/QUOTE]
:speechless:
If you leave the US you also need to establish a shit load of other things to be an independent country and guess what? That costs money so they'd probably increase the taxes so you wouldn't gain much anyway.
If you leave the US you need to establish a real military and all that goes along with that, self sustaining power infrastructure, trade agreements with foreign countries, currency and a shit load of other stuff. Don't forget the businesses that would leave either. It's not going to be as simple as leave union -> get 20% more money.
[QUOTE=Broseph_;49251672]Why would they, when independence will result in Texas getting control of all these oil rigs.[/QUOTE]
What guarantees Texas will gain control of them? How does having oil prevent the introduction of income tax? Are there any examples of oil rich countries doing this elsewhere?
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;49251591]Indeed, you'll no longer have to pay income tax to Washtingon, which is very good news indeed.
You will however will most likely have to pay a "salary tax" which is 1/5th of your wages to Austin instead.[/QUOTE]
Texas does not have a income tax.
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