• Chicago: Chuck Hagel loves the military so very much, with all his heart.
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[url]http://rt.com/usa/157336-us-military-hagel-cuts/[/url] [QUOTE]“Although Americans today are increasingly skeptical of foreign engagement and global responsibilities, it is a mistake to view these responsibilities as a burden or as charity,” Hagel told the audience. “Let us remember that the biggest beneficiaries of American leadership and engagement in the world are the American people.”[/QUOTE] As if America's international reputation weren't bad enough, we've now confirmed (or crassly reiterated) that we do this for us. Good game, Mr. Hagel.
Never heard of this Hagel dude, who is he? Senator?
[QUOTE=hippowombat;44746509][url]http://rt.com/usa/157336-us-military-hagel-cuts/[/url] As if America's international reputation weren't bad enough, we've now confirmed (or crassly reiterated) that we do this for us. Good game, Mr. Hagel.[/QUOTE] I'd rather do it for us than for Israel.
[QUOTE=Viper123_SWE;44746557]Never heard of this Hagel dude, who is he? Senator?[/QUOTE] He's the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Hagel"]US Secretary of Defense[/URL], but more noteably, he's a war hungry douche who apparently didn't see enough bloodshed in his time in Vietnam.
[QUOTE=hippowombat;44746682]He's a [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Hagel"]US Senator[/URL], but more noteably, he's a war hungry douche who apparently didn't see enough bloodshed in his time in Vietnam.[/QUOTE] Senator? He is currently the US secretary of defense....
Whoops I read my own pasted article wrong, you're right :p [editline]7th May 2014[/editline] corrected.
Where the hell does Chicago come into the mix?
[QUOTE]...spoke to the Chicago Council on Global Affairs...[/QUOTE] :)
I am loving that source, OP.
[QUOTE=SexualShark;44747824]I am loving that source, OP.[/QUOTE] I am loving that Avatar :)
[QUOTE=hippowombat;44746509]As if America's international reputation weren't bad enough, we've now confirmed (or crassly reiterated) that we do this for us. Good game, Mr. Hagel.[/QUOTE] Uh, no shit? I don't expect "country x's military" to act in the interest of any country other than "country x," and expecting otherwise is at best naive and at worst stupid. A nation's military is a diplomatic tool used to leverage influence its position on the world stage, either as offensive projection of power or as a defense against other militaries. It may have secondary functions like disaster recovery and community outreach, but that is not the reason the military exists. I mean shit just read any mission statement of any military from any nation, and they'll read generally the same: Defend our people, defend our nation's interests, follow the directives of our elected officials.
-snip fuck I can't read-
[QUOTE=hippowombat;44746682]He's the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Hagel"]US Secretary of Defense[/URL], but more noteably, he's a war hungry douche who apparently didn't see enough bloodshed in his time in Vietnam.[/QUOTE] "I read a single sentence from a shitty source and did no research, so let me tell you all about this man."
[QUOTE=hippowombat;44746960]Whoops I read my own pasted article wrong, you're right :p [editline]7th May 2014[/editline] corrected.[/QUOTE] How hard is it to read the first line of a page before sending someone a link to it? Also [url=http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1375844]don't trust RT, they're a propaganda ministry, not a news network.[/url]
Isn't RT a banned source on SH?
[QUOTE=hippowombat;44746682]He's the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Hagel"]US Secretary of Defense[/URL], but more noteably, he's a war hungry douche who apparently didn't see enough bloodshed in his time in Vietnam.[/QUOTE] Hagel is not a "war-hungry douche". He was one of the most vocal critics of the Bush Administration's invasion of Iraq, consistently pushed against all the troop surges, and referred to our involvement in Iraq as the modern Vietnam. Oh-- and he's repeatedly asserted that the decline of our military presence around the world is a good thing because it forces other countries to look after themselves and their own affairs. Speaking of which, as far as Vietnam goes: [quote]Hagel volunteered to be drafted into the United States Army during the Vietnam War, rejecting a draft board recommendation that he go to college instead.[17] He served in the United States Army infantry in Vietnam from 1967 to 1968. As a Sergeant (E-5), he served as an infantry squad leader in the 9th Infantry Division.[18] Hagel served in the same infantry squad as his younger brother Tom, and they are thought to be the only American brothers to do so during the Vietnam War.[19] They also saved each other's lives on separate occasions.[19] Hagel received the Vietnamese Cross of Gallantry, two Purple Hearts, the Army Commendation Medal, and the Combat Infantryman Badge.[20][/quote]
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