Nearly 8,000 Turkish police officers suspended, reintroduction of death penalty considered
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[QUOTE]Turkish officials say that nearly 8,000 police officers have been suspended, reportedly on suspicion of having links to the failed coup attempt at the weekend.Some 6,000 members of the judiciary and military, including generals, have been detained in connection with the coup.President Recep Tayyip Erdogan vowed to purge state bodies of the "virus" that caused the revolt.
The EU's foreign policy chief says the rule of law in Turkey needs protection.
The Turkish government claims cleric Fethullah Gulen was behind the plot. Mr Gulen lives in the United States and strongly denies any involvement.
State media reported on Monday that more than 100 generals and admirals had been detained in raids across the country. Eight Turkish military officers who fled to Greece by helicopter are appearing in court in the Greek border city of Alexandropouli charged with entering the country illegally.
[B]President Erdogan told a crowd on Sunday that Turkey would consider reinstating the death penalty.[/B] Capital punishment was abolished in 2004 as part of Turkey's bid to join the European Union. Nobody has been executed in the country since 1984.[/QUOTE]
All that's going to do is encourage people to fight rather than surrender.
i don't understand how over 10000 people can be identified as supporters of a failed coup within 3 days of it occurring
did they leave a list of names???
Imagine if he tries to execute all of them. Surely that would be considered a war crime.
Introducing the death penalty when you can seemingly whip and cut the throats of soldiers in the street in broad daylight without repercussions? Seems like a fucking waste of time.
The thought that this country wants to be part of the EU really cracks me up.
I initially laughed when people suggesting this was a Reichstag-styled false flag but the more I hear the more I think it's likely. This sweeping purse is horrifying and encompass far more than the military units responsible. How can anyone immediately conclude judges were responsible only days afterwards?
[QUOTE=gangleider;50731297]i don't understand how over 10000 people can be identified as supporters of a failed coup within 3 days of it occurring
did they leave a list of names???[/QUOTE]
It's a turkish reichstag fire, now they're cleaning the house for anyone considered not to be 100% loyal to erdogan and him only.
I feel this is a big "if we cant join the EU, we will just abolish western values as a whole"
I already see Erdogan becoming the next sultan of the Turkish empire.
[QUOTE=Blizzerd;50731349]I feel this is a big "if we cant join the EU, we will just abolish western values as a whole"
I already see Erdogan becoming the next sultan of the Turkish empire.[/QUOTE]
I think you may be jumping the gun there a little.
[QUOTE=download;50731325]I initially laughed when people suggesting this was a Reichstag-styled false flag but the more I hear the more I think it's likely. This sweeping purse is horrifying and encompass far more than the military units responsible. How can anyone immediately conclude judges were responsible only days afterwards?[/QUOTE]
doesn't really matter if it's believable to the public if he's a dictator with his own cult of personality, i guess
Even if this wasn't a false flag they are definitely taking the chance to purge opponents.
[QUOTE=BelatedGamer;50731353]I think you may be jumping the gun there a little.[/QUOTE]
Possibly, its still incredibly frustrating to see a western country regress back to eastern imperialist fascism.
[QUOTE=Blizzerd;50731389]Possibly, its still incredibly frustrating to see a western country regress back to eastern imperialist fascism.[/QUOTE]
I can't disagree with you on that one.
10,000 people and they couldn't keep the coup going for more than a day?
I wonder if the rest of the military will do anything, or are they also controlled by Erdogan?
[QUOTE=!LORD M!;50731527]I wonder if the rest of the military will do anything, or are they also controlled by Erdogan?[/QUOTE]
The military was the last bastion of hope for a secular Turkey, now the ones not supportive of Erdogan will be executed/removed and replaced with Erdogan supportive instead.
So yeah, it isn't looking that good.
[QUOTE=FezianEmperor;50731537]The military was the last bastion of hope for a secular Turkey, now the ones not supportive of Erdogan will be executed/removed and replaced with Erdogan supportive instead.
So yeah, it isn't looking that good.[/QUOTE]
Never give up, there are still good people in turkey.
[QUOTE=Blizzerd;50731622]Never give up, there are still good people in turkey.[/QUOTE]
That's what makes it worse, good people get to suffer under the rule of bad ones.
[quote]EU foreign policy chief Federica Mogherini said it looked like the Government had prepared a list of people to arrest beforehand.[/quote]
[url]http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-07-18/eu-pushes-turkey-on-rule-of-law-after-coup-crackdown/7639228[/url]
Right...
[QUOTE=Blizzerd;50731622]Never give up, there are still good people in turkey.[/QUOTE]
When the majority believe in Erdogans' leadership and now with a reinforced army that are loyal to Erdogan alone. It's pretty much left up to resistance groups to take up the fight and well. Something, something Syria comes to mind.
Which is why I hope that Erdogan stays in power without such things occuring.
Better to stay in a authoritarian state than a state dissolving due to civil war.
It would have been a clean done deal if those f16s would have taken out his jet, or at least forced him to land so they could capture him when they had their lock on them.
This whole coup is a sham, even if it was a real coup Erdogan pulled the strings and was the only benefactor.
[QUOTE=FezianEmperor;50731665]When the majority believe in Erdogans' leadership and now with a reinforced army that are loyal to Erdogan alone. It's pretty much left up to resistance groups to take up the fight and well. Something, something Syria comes to mind.
Which is why I hope that Erdogan stays in power without such things occuring.
Better to stay in a authoritarian state than a state dissolving due to civil war.[/QUOTE]
Just imagine the influx into Europe if that was to happen. God no. Death of Europe.
People (with Turkish nationality) today in my country got arrested for giving death treats to people they believed to favour the coup...
shits heating up around here.
[QUOTE=!LORD M!;50731724]Just imagine the influx into Europe if that was to happen. God no. Death of Europe.[/QUOTE]
Hence why I've always been for Erdogan continuing even if it leads to a nightmare situation in Turkey. Its' a disgusting way of looking at things that others should suffer for your own regions stability. But that's just how it has to be.
Turkey has a record with getting away with genocides hopefully this won't be the same
Secretary of State John Kerry said Turkey's behavior after the coup may cost them their NATO membership. The US is watching them closely to determine if their future actions warrant removal.
[QUOTE=Megadave;50731429]10,000 people and they couldn't keep the coup going for more than a day?[/QUOTE]
Which either means that they weren't organized well, or the whole thing was a false flag operation. Somebody suggested when it was happening and started fizzling out that maybe they'd been discovered early and had to initiate the coup before they had a chance to be fully prepared. I could see that as being a possibility. What interests me however is the fact that rebel jets at one point had Erdogan's plane in their sights, but they didn't bother shooting it down. They should've had better alternative plans as well and failsafes laid out in case the coup failed. Just because the bulk of it as an organized event has failed doesn't mean that they couldn't have gone with alternatives to assassinate him.
There's been a lot of comparisons between this and the Reichstag Fire, but I honestly see more similarities between it and the [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/20_July_plot]July 20 Plot[/url] to assassinate Hitler and Stauffenberg's attempted coup. The coup failed, and Hitler used it as an excuse to round up and execute thousands of suspected opponents and to consolidate his regime's power further than ever before.
Even if they do execute them, we probably won't hear or know about it because Turkey is good at hiding their killings
Coup seriously gave Erdoğan more power, so it's most certainly possible that no one in the country will stand against the concept of death penalty and let him do whatever he wants.
Other countries most certainly will have some comments about it, but Erdoğan more than likely will brush it off.
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;50733109]Holy shit, Turkish government takes policemen into custody, and your reaction is "hopefully they wont get away with this genocide!"
I wasnt serious when I said a proffesion could be genocided in the other thread.
Every single one of you are jumping the gun. All of your Western countries can suspend as many policemen as they like while they do investigations in the aftermath of a fucking Coup.
[editline]18th July 2016[/editline]
I dont want to defend Erdogans govt at any cases but the overreaction in this thread is near the extremes.[/QUOTE]
I was more bringing attention to the fact that Turkey has such a long history of crimes like this, but if they did kill them that would definitely be a genocide. They're not killing the profession, they're killing people with specific political ideologies within that profession.
[editline]18th July 2016[/editline]
I'm not saying it's going to happen but mass killing political dissidents definitely is genocide
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