Ukraine's Pm: We still remember the Soviet invasion in Germany
27 replies, posted
[quote]
On Thursday, January 8th, Prime Minister of Ukraine Arseniy Yatsenyuk, who is currently on an official visit in Berlin, demonstrated to the world his knowledge of history.
[b]In particular, he said that in 1941 it was the USSR who invaded Germany and Ukraine. According to the politician, he "remembers it clearly". [/b]
Moreover, according to Yatsenyuk, the Russian Federation is now "trying to rewrite" the results of the Second World War.
"We all remember the USSR invasion of the Germany and Ukraine. We must not allow this [again]. And no one has the right to rewrite the results of the Second World War, and that is what Russian president trying to do, "- said Ukrainian Prime Minister in an interview with German TV channel ARD.
[/quote]
[url]http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=203_1420750605[/url]
Some other sources
[url]http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150109/1016706636.html[/url]
[quote]
LifeNews went further and actually attributed Yatsenyuk words about the date of the invasion.
“Yatsenyuk made a fundamental discovery in history. It appears, June 22, 1941, the Soviet Union invaded Germany, “- said presenter saw this relationship with Germany pivmylyardnym loan for Ukraine.
[/quote]
[url]http://ukrainiancrisis.net/news/6854[/url]
It's like they say retarded shit on purpose
It's true, I saw it happen!
[QUOTE=Laserbeams;46892461]It's like they say retarded shit on purpose[/QUOTE]
It took you that long to notice that your country's leadership is composed of Eastern European politicians?
He probably wanted to debunk those pesky false flag rumors.
Did I get this right?
He thinks Putin wants to invade Germany?
I know Putin is nuts but... This is even more nuts than that.
If he said 1919 then yeah, but for 1941 I'm wondering how the Soviet Union pulled off the feat of invading itself.
Then again, knowing Soviet history I wouldn't put it past them to invade themselves.
Wasn't the Ukraine part of the Soviet Union in 1941?
[QUOTE=Rocâ„¢;46892477]Did I get this right?
He thinks Putin wants to invade Germany?
I know Putin is nuts but... This is even more nuts than that.[/QUOTE]
Nah he thinks that Soviet Union invaded Germany and Ukraine.
I thought he wanted to say something like "In the Molotov-Riberntrop pact USSR invaded Western Ukraine", but he intentionally or unintentionally said "USSR invaded Ukraine and Germany (meaning Nazi Germany)".
Either way whatever whath he said makes no sense at all.
This is just me, but if I were making a speech in Germany, I would probably read the room and avoid bringing up WWII in the first place.
[QUOTE=Tuskin;46892504]Wasn't the Ukraine part of the Soviet Union in 1941?[/QUOTE]
It was, but that many Ukrainians weren't all that fond of Russia then either. Ukraine had gained its independence during the chaos of WW1, but was annexed by the Soviets who wanted to take back their losses (they never did get Finland!). Ukraine was poor and most of the wealth was transferred to Russia, and they were angry over Holodomor and the NKVD Prisoner massacres done by the Russians. Western Ukrainians even welcomed the invading Germans as liberators until the Nazis started showing their true agenda.
Need I remind you that it was the Russians who put up a fucking wall and founded STASI?
Fuck Russia.
Not trying to demean anybody from Ukraine, hopefully you guys get a leader who's worth following. So far it doesn't look like he's that hot. But I am only working on so much information here, would any of you guys be willing to give me an idea of how you perceive his time in office has been from your perspective?
[QUOTE=Laserbeams;46892461]It's like they say retarded shit on purpose[/QUOTE]
That actually sounds like a strategy.
If they decide to do something illegal on international law, they can admit it freely, no one believe them anyway :v:
[QUOTE=MattSif;46896933]Not trying to demean anybody from Ukraine, hopefully you guys get a leader who's worth following. So far it doesn't look like he's that hot. But I am only working on so much information here, would any of you guys be willing to give me an idea of how you perceive his time in office has been from your perspective?[/QUOTE]
Yatsenyuk is actually a pretty good guy it's just he fucked up here
[QUOTE=Ghost656;46899280]Yatsenyuk is actually a pretty good guy it's just he fucked up here[/QUOTE]
He is not good with words. In 2009 he called a knowledge of more than 2 languages a "poligamy", for example. There are more examples, I just need time to look.
Also, a fun fact: he was a minister of economy in Crimea once :v:
[QUOTE=Ghost656;46899280]Yatsenyuk is actually a pretty good guy it's just he fucked up here[/QUOTE]
Except his only method of staying relevant is blaming Putin and Russia for everything.
I mean you can think whatever about Russia, but a politician that builds his agenda on hatred towards something or fear of something is always a really bad guy to rule.
[QUOTE=certified;46893733]Need I remind you that it was the Russians who put up a fucking wall and founded STASI?
Fuck Russia.[/QUOTE]
Need I remind you that it was the Germans who launched operation Barbarossa and formed the einsatzgruppen?
[QUOTE=1nfiniteseed;46899825]Need I remind you that it was the Germans who launched operation Barbarossa and formed the einsatzgruppen?[/QUOTE]
Except they lost after initially collaborating with the Soviets by allowing them to invade the Baltic states of Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania as well as East Poland and ultimately didn't create an Eastern European bloc of brutal Communist puppet dictatorships that proceeded to needlessly drag the world into an extremely tense 45-year-long "cold war" that nearly resulted in at least three different situations (that we're publicly aware of) where a nuclear holocaust almost occurred and was barely averted by stupendous moments of luck and coincidence.
Also, someone (that would be you) clearly isn't aware of the old and well-deserved adage, [i]"The Gestapo broke bones, the Stasi broke souls."[/i]
[QUOTE=Govna;46900124]Except they lost after initially collaborating with the Soviets by allowing them to invade the Baltic states of Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania as well as East Poland and ultimately didn't create an Eastern European bloc of brutal Communist puppet dictatorships that proceeded to needlessly drag the world into an extremely tense 45-year-long "cold war" that nearly resulted in at least three different situations (that we're publicly aware of) where a nuclear holocaust almost occurred and was barely averted by stupendous moments of luck and coincidence.
Also, someone (that would be you) clearly isn't aware of the old and well-deserved adage, [i]"The Gestapo broke bones, the Stasi broke souls."[/i][/QUOTE]
You do realize we kinda helped the soviets with that one, right? If it weren't for us invading France, Germany would have had an easier time defending the Eastern Front.
[QUOTE=TornadoAP;46900182]You do realize we kinda helped the soviets with that one, right? If it weren't for us invading France, Germany would have had an easier time defending the Eastern Front.[/QUOTE]
Which would have done nothing but prolong inevitable defeat. The six weeks they lost in Greece winning Italy's pitiful excursion cost them time they couldn't afford to have lost in launching Barbarossa, and their final decision to concentrate on taking Moscow in the winter was a decisive blunder just making an already hopeless situation even worse. Moscow is the reason why Barbarossa failed.
The Eastern Front was decided long before 1944.
What does this have to do with the issue of Russia being a mortal enemy of Western civilization in the 20th century exactly?
[QUOTE=Govna;46900249]
What does this have to do with the issue of Russia being a mortal enemy of Western civilization in the 20th century exactly?[/QUOTE]
Wait, are you serious and not ironic on thsi one?
[QUOTE=MuffinZerg;46900331]Wait, are you serious and not ironic on thsi one?[/QUOTE]
What the fuck do you think? The history is quite clear: we don't get along. We didn't get along when the Soviet Union was still around, we're back to it now with Putin and the possibility of a Eurasian Union.
The only thing that's changed is the degree of tension. We're not threatening to annihilate each other anymore. At least not with nuclear weapons; we can still try to hurt one another with economic pressures and classic espionage however.
[QUOTE=Govna;46900452]What the fuck do you think? The history is quite clear: we don't get along. We didn't get along when the Soviet Union was still around, we're back to it now with Putin and the possibility of a Eurasian Union.
The only thing that's changed is the degree of tension. We're not threatening to annihilate each other anymore. At least not with nuclear weapons; we can still try to hurt one another with economic pressures and classic espionage however.[/QUOTE]
Yeah but "Mortal enemy of Western civilization"? Only mortal enemy of western civilization out there are certain islamic extremists and north korean generals.
We do get along. We get along so well that we made a lot of billions trading various things. We had joint military efforts and much more.
Russia has no place in NATO or EU: true. But it's not like Russia was an enemy of EU ever. Competitor at best and to very few countries there. To be honest I can't recall Russia competing with any european country on anything, but maybe it's just me. Russia always competes with US - yes. It's a passive agressive relationship, but it's nowhere near as bad as "mortal enemy". If the collective West was our mortal enemy nuclear war would have happened long before.
You are just blatantly exaggerating things. Due to geopolitical reasons we are not in the same boat, but we are not enemies and really never were. Russia inherited a lot from USSR, but it's not USSR, cold war is long over.
Russia-US relationships were actually very warm in 2008 during the reset, and during the second reset as far as I recall. Even at the worst times we were not mortal enemies and hopefully will never be.
You portray Russia as some evil empire of evil. It's just another country.
[QUOTE=Govna;46900124]Except they lost after initially collaborating with the Soviets by allowing them to invade the Baltic states of Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania as well as East Poland and ultimately didn't create an Eastern European bloc of brutal Communist puppet dictatorships that proceeded to needlessly drag the world into an extremely tense 45-year-long "cold war" that nearly resulted in at least three different situations (that we're publicly aware of) where a nuclear holocaust almost occurred and was barely averted by stupendous moments of luck and coincidence.
Also, someone (that would be you) clearly isn't aware of the old and well-deserved adage, [I]"The Gestapo broke bones, the Stasi broke souls."[/I][/QUOTE]
Lost or not, the idea that the Soviets started the war with Germany is factually wrong. Whether or not the stasi were worse than the Gestapo is unrelated so I don't understand why it's being referenced as if it's a trump card in this debate.
Additionally, you're implying that MAD and the scenarios of destruction in the cold war were exclusively Russian creations, rather than the efforts of the US as well.
Also, consider that Russia lost over 20 million people to the war. You're spouting russophobic garbage that essentially boils down to "They're evil."
[QUOTE=Govna;46900452]What the fuck do you think? The history is quite clear: we don't get along. We didn't get along when the Soviet Union was still around, we're back to it now with Putin and the possibility of a Eurasian Union.
The only thing that's changed is the degree of tension. We're not threatening to annihilate each other anymore. At least not with nuclear weapons; we can still try to hurt one another with economic pressures and classic espionage however.[/QUOTE]
Even blood brothers can't get along sometimes.
That doesn't mean they should be enemies forever.
He might just be referring to the Soviets oppressive policies towards Germany when they finally reached Germany. My stepmom's mom (we call her Omi) was in what used to be called prussia during WW2. She says the occupying Russians killed her dog, kicked them out of their house, raped women, and killed anyone they wanted due to a disturbed sense of justice. The Soviets didn't discriminate against Jews, but that doesn't mean that they treated anybody any better than the Nazis did. Then their oppressive rule of east germany after the war. She escaped the east with her family in the 1950s.
[QUOTE=Govna;46900249]Which would have done nothing but prolong inevitable defeat. The six weeks they lost in Greece winning Italy's pitiful excursion cost them time they couldn't afford to have lost in launching Barbarossa, and their final decision to concentrate on taking Moscow in the winter was a decisive blunder just making an already hopeless situation even worse. Moscow is the reason why Barbarossa failed.[/QUOTE]
Not Moscow, Stalingrad. Also, you're conveniently forgetting the [U][B]entire African threatre[/B][/U], with its hundreds of thousands of Axis soldiers. If it wasn't a two front war, those armies could be in the east fighting the Soviets, and things might not have ended up the way they did.
Sorry, you need to Log In to post a reply to this thread.