• Cancer cures/treatments
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Not entirely sure where this belongs, so mods move it to wherever it belongs to, thanks. So, the convention for the populace seeking a cure is to donate to a given charity (not that I'm saying charity is a bad thing, but I'm disappointed in what has resulted from this means for combating the condition) pertaining with finding a cure, or a cure for a particular cancer (e.g. Cancer Research) -- but despite this persisting for many decades, and the occasional cure with fewer side effects (when compared to conventional treatments) in a news article, only to be buried within a mere week, such cures also occur at a price too and can even be "too" expensive for a local health authority to acquire. Point of this thread is for users to post possible (which have been documented explicitly/implicitly) and hypothetical cures (i.e. a proposed means whereby the condition could at least be delayed). I'll start: [B]Hemp oil[/B], apparently effective for preventing the spread of cancer ([url]http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/pdq/cam/cannabis/healthprofessional/page4[/url]). [B]Cure via the use of nano bots [I](with multiple sources)[/I]:[/B] [url]http://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=913700[/url] [B]Method using HIV: [/B][url]http://news.discovery.com/human/hiv-used-to-fight-cancer-110914.html[/url] [B]Crocus drug:[/B] [url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2036279/Crocus-drug-kill-tumours-treatment-minimal-effects.html[/url] [B]Gene therapy method:[/B] [url]http://www.webmd.com/cancer/news/20110810/gene-therapy-cures-adult-leukemia[/url] [B]Blushwood Shrub cure:[/B] [url]http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/possible-cancer-cure-found-in-blushwood-shrub/story-e6freoof-1225826874057[/url] Of possible interest is of whether clinical trials should be reduced substantially, with the option for patients to volunteer freely for a potential cure (and also for them to be informed of which trials are running at that time, and the results of other trials (a possible extension to further test the validity of trial results)).
Hemp Oil Eh? Woah didn't think something like that would actually prevent it.
[QUOTE=pyschomc;32549976]Hemp Oil Eh? Woah didn't think something like that would actually prevent it.[/QUOTE]There are many who claim that this is un-true too, but more recent research has started to suggest that it might even shrink tumors.
Gamma Rays solve something I heard, I think it was skin cancer spots or something. I'm not in the medical shit as you can tell by my extreme lack of knowledge on this. Nobody I know has had cancer.
[QUOTE=fruxodaily;32550157]Gamma Rays solve something I heard, I think it was skin cancer spots or something. I'm not in the medical shit as you can tell by my extreme lack of knowledge on this. Nobody I know has had cancer.[/QUOTE] High energy radiation usually causes cancer, so unless there's something we're missing, I doubt it's true. Also, didn't the University of Calgary have some big thing a while ago that was supposedly silenced by a bunch of big medical companies?
Try not to let this thread slip please, it would be nice to have a means to access information pertaining with potential/alternative treatments (especially those with minimal side effects).
[QUOTE=pyschomc;32549976]Hemp Oil Eh? Woah didn't think something like that would actually prevent it.[/QUOTE] Hemp oil ofc, there are youtube vids about it. =)
[QUOTE=livelonger12;32550465]Try not to let this thread slip please, it would be nice to have a means to access information pertaining with potential/alternative treatments (especially those with minimal side effects).[/QUOTE] The problem with cancer is it is REALLY fucking hard to treat. This isn't just the drug industry going "we are going to bury all cures so people have to pay lots of money to us". Why do you think doctors are so aggressive about cancer? They do surgery, chemotherapy, and radiation therapy. Chemotherapy is literally poisoning your body, on the bet that the cancerous cells will die before you do. It causes intense pain and discomfort. The problem with alternative treatments is they aren't effective. Yes hemp oil can be shown to shrink tumors. However the operative word is SHRINK. It doesn't eradicate a tumor like the approach we use now. Also most of these drugs have to go through years of trials and clinical testing before they are deemed safe. Maybe they are too strict, maybe people should be allowed to test it if the method seems promising, but that's the way it is. These methods aren't buried because of the drug industry, they are buried because they fail to show that they are safe long term for human consumption, or they are still in testing, or funding ran out(the saddest of all).
Example- [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68dM1HsZzuE[/url] Physical evidence ;)
[QUOTE=fruxodaily;32550157]Gamma Rays solve something I heard, I think it was skin cancer spots or something. I'm not in the medical shit as you can tell by my extreme lack of knowledge on this. Nobody I know has had cancer.[/QUOTE] Radiotherapy can be used to kill off cancer cells.
Having worked for more than a year in a chemotherapy/radiotherapy department, I can tell you there is currently no cure what so ever. You can treat it, irradiate the cancer, cut it out, poison it, but even then it still comes back eventually. The people who "beat" cancer are the lucky few who the treatment works well for and they get a lot of extra years added on to their lifespan and something else kills them first. Most people are not so fortunate and get maybe 5 years at best before they're back in with more cancer. This is so true: [url]http://xkcd.com/931/[/url] [editline]30th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Jabberwocky;32551239]Radiotherapy can be used to kill off cancer cells.[/QUOTE] Radiotherapy actually uses beams of electrons (i.e. beta radiation) usually.
[QUOTE=metallics;32551338]Having worked for more than a year in a chemotherapy/radiotherapy department, I can tell you there is currently no cure what so ever. You can treat it, irradiate the cancer, cut it out, poison it, but even then it still comes back eventually. The people who "beat" cancer are the lucky few who the treatment works well for and they get a lot of extra years added on to their lifespan and something else kills them first. Most people are not so fortunate and get maybe 5 years at best before they're back in with more cancer. This is so true: [url]http://xkcd.com/931/[/url] [editline]30th September 2011[/editline] Radiotherapy actually uses beams of electrons (i.e. beta radiation) usually.[/QUOTE] Also throw in the possibility of getting another, unrelated cancer.
[QUOTE=420carlo;32550901]Example- [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68dM1HsZzuE[/url] Physical evidence ;)[/QUOTE] Those are neither brain nor tumor cells.
[QUOTE=Elspin;32550345]High energy radiation usually causes cancer, so unless there's something we're missing, I doubt it's true. Also, didn't the University of Calgary have some big thing a while ago that was supposedly silenced by a bunch of big medical companies?[/QUOTE] Radiation is normal cancer treatment. It works, but it damages the body and it might cause cancer later on in life. [editline]30th September 2011[/editline] In the future nanotechnology will most likely be the ultimate cure. If we can work on a nanoscale to eleminate cancer cells it should be easy to cure cancer. It might be even possible to change and restore the mutated genetic code that causes cancer without killing any cells at all. As a stoner i find it really interesting that cannabiods might be able to cure or suppress certian types of cancers. Would be great if these types of chemicals can be used for more then just medicinal and recrecreational ways. But more research is going to be needed.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;32550585]The problem with cancer is it is REALLY fucking hard to treat. This isn't just the drug industry going "we are going to bury all cures so people have to pay lots of money to us". Why do you think doctors are so aggressive about cancer? They do surgery, chemotherapy, and radiation therapy. Chemotherapy is literally poisoning your body, on the bet that the cancerous cells will die before you do. It causes intense pain and discomfort. The problem with alternative treatments is they aren't effective. Yes hemp oil can be shown to shrink tumors. However the operative word is SHRINK. It doesn't eradicate a tumor like the approach we use now. Also most of these drugs have to go through years of trials and clinical testing before they are deemed safe. Maybe they are too strict, maybe people should be allowed to test it if the method seems promising, but that's the way it is. These methods aren't buried because of the drug industry, they are buried because they fail to show that they are safe long term for human consumption, or they are still in testing, or funding ran out(the saddest of all).[/QUOTE] Clinical trials should still be openly accessible to cancer patients - it should be their choice of whether they want to test the effectiveness of potential cures. And alternatives too should be open to patients - basically anything that may help cure the condition should be openly accessible for the patient. Anything is worth a try, and trying should be the patients choice.
[QUOTE=livelonger12;32557009]Clinical trials should still be openly accessible to cancer patients - it should be their choice of whether they want to test the effectiveness of potential cures. And alternatives too should be open to patients - basically anything that may help cure the condition should be openly accessible for the patient. Anything is worth a try, and trying should be the patients choice.[/QUOTE] But is it morally right to allow desperate cancer patients the choice to subject themselves to potentially dangerous "cures"?
[QUOTE=yawmwen;32557059]But is it morally right to allow desperate cancer patients the choice to subject themselves to potentially dangerous "cures"?[/QUOTE] And likewise, is it morally right to deny them the right to test potential cures?
[QUOTE=pyschomc;32549976]Hemp Oil Eh? Woah didn't think something like that would actually prevent it.[/QUOTE] I remember seeing some before/during/after thing of a woman with visible cancer on her face and she rubbed hemp oil on her face, I can't remember how long for, probably a few months, and it pretty much went away entirely. Pretty amazing.
[QUOTE=mikeyt493;32557462]I remember seeing some before/during/after thing of a woman with visible cancer on her face and she rubbed hemp oil on her face, I can't remember how long for, probably a few months, and it pretty much went away entirely. Pretty amazing.[/QUOTE] I saw the same thing but from a guy. He made a video about how the chemo crap you have to use destroys your face. So he decided to use hemp oil and showed the progress. It clearly couldn't have been the conventional crap they use, because it healed just fine, without side effects. Also, i heard one more about nano technology. I forgot where i've seen it, but they said something about gold plating a particle, injecting it in the cancer, and heating it with infrared.
Anyone mention RNA replicase plasmid yet? Apparently scientists can inject you with plasmid, which will encourage your body to naturally produce dsRNA, which triggers apoptosis (programmed cell death) in the tumors. Unfortunately, for those living in the states, clinical trials aren't covered by most insurance plans. The research in this area is still in its infancy though, so I'm not even sure if it's available for clinical trials. But in rats, it destroys tumors 80+ percent of the time if I remember correctly. So it's pretty exciting.
treat cancer ? alcohol.
woops, I read accidental cures/treatments as the thread title and thought it was about that. Yup.
[QUOTE=Godline;32562669]treat cancer ? alcohol.[/QUOTE] How?
[QUOTE=livelonger12;32550106]There are many who claim that this is un-true too, but more recent research has started to suggest that it might even shrink tumors.[/QUOTE] Regardless, Cannabis has uses in treating cancer because it helps reduce the side effects of chemotherapy.
[QUOTE=livelonger12;32582617]How?[/QUOTE] Ever heard of drinking your troubles away?
So, I'm actually undergoing chemotherapy right now, for Hodgkin's Lymphoma. Just finished my fifth out of 12 treatments. I'd be happy to answer any questions you guys might have. Or not, as the case may be.
what prompted you to go to the doctor? what symptoms did u have?
[QUOTE=greagaerge;32584065]what prompted you to go to the doctor? what symptoms did u have?[/QUOTE] No symptoms, just a lump about the size of a ping pong ball on my right collarbone.
bump, this thread needs to go on
[QUOTE=Amerigo;32583587]So, I'm actually undergoing chemotherapy right now, for Hodgkin's Lymphoma. Just finished my fifth out of 12 treatments. I'd be happy to answer any questions you guys might have. Or not, as the case may be.[/QUOTE] How many treatments before you start noticing physical symptoms like hair loss and such
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