• Mayor of Calais forbids distribution of meals to migrants
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[URL="http://www.leparisien.fr/societe/calais-la-maire-interdit-la-distribution-de-repas-aux-migrants-03-03-2017-6729279.php"]Source (in french)[/URL] [QUOTE]"To justify its decision, the city explains that gathering of migrants "tends to create permanent tensions between the ethnicities and have created altercations in the past"" [/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Gaël Monzy, from the association Utopia 56, reacted this way: "We've been distributing food days and nights for 2 months and we'll keep doing it for a simple reason: People are hungry."[/QUOTE]
Yes, this is certain to help alleviate the "tensions between ethnicities" you speak of.
looking back in history maybe this will be seen as one of the first steps of genocide
What a xenophobic asshole lmao attempting to deny migrants even basic human rights
[QUOTE=cis.joshb;51906239]looking back in history maybe this will be seen as one of the first steps of genocide[/QUOTE] Ok calm down seriously, it's nowhere near that. It's a poorly thought out kneejerk reaction. It is not genocide.
[I]To an extent,[/I] I see where he is coming from. From the beginning of the crisis Calais has been an overcrowded hotspot for refugees (remember the videos of them crowding highways and stealing from trucks?), which of course will annoy the local population after a while once they overstay their welcome. Not all citizens want their town overrun with refugees for months/years but they have been ignored as people continue to encourage their squatting. I think in his mind, he views it as a way to encourage the refugees to spread out and go elsewhere although I also think that there are much better ways to achieve that. I am reminded of a line from a song: "Closing time, you don't have to go home but you can't stay here" We all want to see these people safe and fed, but if you were in their(Natural citizens) shoes could you maintain those feelings after months/years of prolonged, repeated occupations of what once was your hometown? I don't think it's necessarily xenophobia, I think it is a sense of being overrun with the homeless, the race doesn't really matter. I would get irritated too if after months/years of charity and kindness and sharing, nothing ever changes. I have to reinstate however, because I know someone will strawman me, that I don't necessarily agree with the methods. I think you should be able to give food to whomever you want.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;51906261]Ok calm down seriously, it's nowhere near that. It's a poorly thought out kneejerk reaction. It is not genocide.[/QUOTE] Genocide doesn't come in quick, sweeping motions. It's built up with smaller actions that increase tension. And considering the current political situation in much of the western world at the moment, it's something to worry about. Whether or not it actually leads to genocide is irrelevant, what matters is the possibility that it could, and we should be doing as much as possible to prevent actions like this.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;51906261]Ok calm down seriously, it's nowhere near that. It's a poorly thought out kneejerk reaction. It is not genocide.[/QUOTE] yes, because trying to starve a people out is not at all close to genocide
The migrant problems are getting pretty bad from video footage. Fences do nothing and it's a severe danger to truck drivers. Aren't these migrants technically illegal immigrants? At least most of them. Why doesn't france straight up deport them?
[QUOTE=cis.joshb;51906562]yes, because trying to starve a people out is not at all close to genocide[/QUOTE] Yes, because charity organizations dont exist [editline]3rd March 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Wazbat;51906773]The migrant problems are getting pretty bad from video footage. Fences do nothing and it's a severe danger to truck drivers. Aren't these migrants technically illegal immigrants? At least most of them. Why doesn't france straight up deport them?[/QUOTE] Because they don't want Paris to start rioting again like they did when that Muslim guy got electrocuted in a substation. That's pretty much it.
Okay, I feel like I need to step in and explain this a little for people who may have missed some crucial information. Calais was until fairly recently home of the largest congregations of migrants in France. An estimated 9000 people lived in a shanty town the size of 26 American football fields - 1.5 square miles of this. [t]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/64/Overview_of_Calais_Jungle.jpg/1920px-Overview_of_Calais_Jungle.jpg[/t][t]http://i.imgur.com/EAHj3bc.png[/t] Most of these people are there because they wanted to travel to the UK, but were stopped at the farthest possible point and were denied their asylum request, so they stuck around anyway. Calais is at the northernmost tip of the country, and basically the closest point France has to the UK - see the map. It got out of hand. It's an obvious sanitary hazard, it caused tensions with the locals, crime rates went up, the whole fucking place became impossible to approach by anyone including the police because the people camping there would often get aggressive and territorial. When this sanitary and legal nightmare was finally dismantled late 2016, it only took a couple of months before migrants started showing up again. The mayor isn't being some kind of xenophobic monster for trying to keep these people out of there, he's doing his god damn job. Forbidding the distribution of meals is just an attempt to flush out the refugees by [I]not giving them another reason to stay[/I]. Arguably all the charity associations have made things worse because these refugees refuse to be housed in proper, state-regulated centers since they know they can just go camp in the mud and some random people will bring them food every day. It had to stop. And I can't emphasize enough that the government [I]has[/I] its own solution for migrants, we have emergency host centers so people don't sleep in shantytowns where disease runs rampant and crime goes completely unchecked. But most of the migrants don't want to go there.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;51906912] Arguably all the charity associations have made things worse because these refugees refuse to be housed in proper, state-regulated centers since they know they can just go camp in the mud and some random people will bring them food every day. It had to stop. And I can't emphasize enough that the government [I]has[/I] its own solution for migrants, we have emergency host centers so people don't sleep in shantytowns where disease runs rampant and crime goes completely unchecked. But most of the migrants don't want to go there.[/QUOTE] can you speak on why they would not want to stay in the emergency host centers?
[QUOTE=Zombinie;51907156]can you speak on why they would not want to stay in the emergency host centers?[/QUOTE] On top of distrust towards authorities, I assume it's because having to stay in one of those centers implies they'd have to regularize their situation and most of them don't want that - they're in France solely because they're on their way to the UK, since they were fed stories that England is some kind of promised land where benefits, free housing and free money are handed out like candy to anyone who gets to go there. They'd rather stick to a place like the Calais shantytown because they can stay away from the French government while leeching off of charities, sitting comfortably in a blindspot that's extremely hard to regulate.
Not wishing to tread om Ganerumos toes on this, but the immigrants in Calisis are there on their own accord, they pass plenty of safe countries, evading border checkpoints and legal asylum routes along the way, specifically just so they can sit in a litteral shit hole and wait for an oportune moment to break into the UK, and I really do mean break into the country. If the inhabitants of the jungle camps had a legit reason to get into the UK, such as familily already here, they'd get preferential treatment and allowed entry. But most of them are shopping around for the best deal and think the UK is tha and as a result they don't get in through the legit channels. The point is, their suffering can end at ANY moment they want. They chose not to, and I'm sorry but outside of the legit children in those camps, most people don't care for the inhabitants.
[QUOTE=Zombinie;51907156]can you speak on why they would not want to stay in the emergency host centers?[/QUOTE] All immigrants in Calais are unregistered. If they go to a host centre they would be registered in the EU refugee system and their chance of going to the UK would drop to 0.
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