ICE agents eat breakfast, compliment chef, then arrest 3 workers at Michigan restaurant
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[quote]The owner of a Michigan restaurant said U.S. immigration agents who were conducting enforcement at the business ate breakfast — and complimented the chef — before arresting three workers, according to media reports on Thursday.
The Ann Arbor News reported that two of the men arrested Wednesday at Sava's Restaurant remain in custody. Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials said agents were doing "a targeted enforcement action" at the Ann Arbor restaurant.
ICE officials said two of the men entered the country illegally and another overstayed his visa. Authorities said the men tried to leave the restaurant before being arrested. Another man was handcuffed and briefly detained, then released after showing agents his permanent resident card.
Restaurant owner Sava Lelcaj told the newspaper several agents came to the restaurant near the University of Michigan, and two ate breakfast at the restaurant bar. One ate waffles and bacon and the other eggs and toast. Lelcaj said they praised the food before entering the kitchen area.[/quote]
[url]http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/midwest/ct-michigan-restaurant-immigration-arrests-20170525-story.html[/url]
This literally sounds like something out of a movie, like something a villain would do. Good to know that at least one of them managed to get released, but this is all kinds of shady.
"Make 'em work for us, then deport them." Sounds about right.
This is such pointless petty shit. First off, this makes ICE look like American SS, just going around rounding up your neighbors and coworkers at random, never to be heard from again. Second, it hurts business (but hooray more shitty min-wage jobs!), and unless these men were violent or had a criminal history its really all for for a net gain of nothing.
Thank god Trump is putting 10k more of these troops into action later this year, each with a 60k salary.
This wouldn't need to happen if they weren't breaking the law in the first place.
[QUOTE=MrRalgoman;52276348]This wouldn't need to happen if they weren't breaking the law in the first place.[/QUOTE]
You make it seem like it's easier to just not "break the law." I'd jaywalk too if the other side of the road was nice but it took 15 years and a skillset to cross legally
[QUOTE=MrRalgoman;52276348]This wouldn't need to happen if they weren't breaking the law in the first place.[/QUOTE]
Regardless of your stance on deportation, isn't that a little fucked up that they ordered food and then arrested them? Shouldn't they have just been deported immediately?
There's three kinds of good food.
There's good food
Then M&S good food
And then there's 'Avoid deportation' good food.
Accept nothing but the latter.
I don't care to argue the immigration law in this case, but eating at a restaurant you're present at to do business is just a selfish flaunt of power.
[QUOTE=nox;52276288]This is such pointless petty shit. First off, this makes ICE look like American SS, just going around rounding up your neighbors and coworkers at random, never to be heard from again.[/QUOTE]
"Ah, yes, ze food vas wunderbar! Now tell me: vhere are ze immigwant. Or vill I deport your precious daughter?"
[QUOTE=Eva-1337;52276720]"Ah, yes, ze food vas wunderbar! Now tell me: vhere are ze immigwant. Or vill I deport your precious daughter?"[/QUOTE]
[video=youtube;QfSjs_6MZOQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfSjs_6MZOQ[/video]
[QUOTE=nox;52276288]this makes ICE look like American SS[/QUOTE]
Oh stop, please. I understand it may seem like a worthwhile comparison but please give me a shout when they load people on trains en-route to concentration camps, or when they just drag them out of their store and cap them in the back of the head.
ICE is largely shitty. Their policies are arbitrary, their methods are cruel, and their oversight is apathetic at best. But they are not SS.
[QUOTE=nox;52276288]This is such pointless petty shit. First off, this makes ICE look like American SS, just going around rounding up your neighbors and coworkers at random, never to be heard from again. Second, it hurts business (but hooray more shitty min-wage jobs!), and unless these men were violent or had a criminal history its really all for for a net gain of nothing.
Thank god Trump is putting 10k more of these troops into action later this year, each with a 60k salary.[/QUOTE]
I think you're over-reacting with the whole comparison thing, but the main point I want to go off of with your post here is the "horray for more shitty min-wage jobs!". These are companies that are hiring illegal immigrants because they can pay them less than what they should, or under the table - and get cheap labor. These jobs should be for residents more than those who aren't even contributing taxes.
While I can agree it's shitty that they ate there, complimented the food even, and then arrested them - truth of the matter is they are here illegally.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;52277349]Oh stop, please. I understand it may seem like a worthwhile comparison but please give me a shout when they load people on trains en-route to concentration camps, or when they just drag them out of their store and cap them in the back of the head.
ICE is largely shitty. Their policies are arbitrary, their methods are cruel, and their oversight is apathetic at best. But they are not SS.[/QUOTE]
I'm sure things would be different if they could get away with it. Hell, give it a couple years. With Republicans getting away with treason and assault these days I'm sure we'll get there eventually.
[QUOTE=Nookyava;52277418]These jobs should be for residents more than those who aren't even contributing taxes.[/QUOTE]
Illegals pay taxes.
[QUOTE=JeSuisIkea;52277443]Illegals pay taxes.[/QUOTE]
How so? If you're being paid under the table you aren't paying taxes, and you have to typically have a SSN to receive a paycheck in your name.
[QUOTE=Nookyava;52277460]How so? If you're being paid under the table you aren't paying taxes, and you have to typically have a SSN to receive a paycheck in your name.[/QUOTE]
Everyone pays sales tax because everyone has to buy stuff.
[QUOTE=Nookyava;52277460]How so? If you're being paid under the table you aren't paying taxes, and you have to typically have a SSN to receive a paycheck in your name.[/QUOTE]
Their income might not be taxed, but every transaction they make is. And because they don't receive any of the benefits that citizens do, they end up putting more in than they get out.
[QUOTE=Nookyava;52277460]How so? If you're being paid under the table you aren't paying taxes, and you have to typically have a SSN to receive a paycheck in your name.[/QUOTE]
Many illegals have them, actually. After immigration crackdowns in the 80s and 90s made it harder to work without one, they went to fraudulently obtained SSNs.
So a lot of them are, in fact, paying taxes and contributing to Social Security.
[QUOTE=Nookyava;52277460]How so? If you're being paid under the table you aren't paying taxes, and you have to typically have a SSN to receive a paycheck in your name.[/QUOTE]
Are you sure that every place that hires illegals does it under the table? Also [url=http://www.backwoodshome.com/yes-you-can-work-without-a-social-security-number/]not every place needs a SSN to work at. [/url] Life is VERY inconvenient without one, but you can do it.
Alright, so getting a paycheck without a social is valid, although I assume you still need one for a bank account no? That's why I believe those "check cashing" places exist.
So if we go with the fact that they are getting paid via paycheck, and that's true they're paying sales tax - we still arrive at the situation that they're illegal. This also means they are taking jobs from those who are residents here. That's a problem still IMO.
Most of the jobs only really exist because they get paid so little the employer can afford to create them. If you have three illegals and a legal working then the employer will probably just cut the three extra jobs and pile work on the one legal for still next to nothing. There's also the problem of many of the jobs they work are ones that most citizens really don't want to. There isn't an extreme lack of work for people willing to get paid shit and do awful work.
[QUOTE=JeSuisIkea;52277629]Most of the jobs only really exist because they get paid so little the employer can afford to create them. If you have three illegals and a legal working then the employer will probably just cut the three extra jobs and pile work on the one legal for still next to nothing. There's also the problem of many of the jobs they work are ones that most citizens really don't want to. There isn't an extreme lack of work for people willing to get paid shit and do awful work.[/QUOTE]
I can understand this, however when people need money I can't believe that them wanting to turn down a job because they don't want to do it is the right move.
Yes working in a cheap restaurant can be shitty at times, but if it's up to code and it's not harming your health at all - you can't just turn down a job because you don't want to do the work.
People need to work, you need to provide for yourself, and these jobs being taken up are just harming those who could potentially get a job and work their way up.
lmao holy shit, what a heel
[QUOTE=Nookyava;52277641]I can understand this, however when people need money I can't believe that them wanting to turn down a job because they don't want to do it is the right move.
Yes working in a cheap restaurant can be shitty at times, but if it's up to code and it's not harming your health at all - you can't just turn down a job because you don't want to do the work.
People need to work, you need to provide for yourself, and these jobs being taken up are just harming those who could potentially get a job and work their way up.[/QUOTE]
Yeah but even people who really need work probably aren't going to be taking the job that makes you work 16 hour days for below minimum wage with no benefits or hope for advancement. It's not really something most citizens are interested in for good reason, the only reason those jobs exist is because there is a population of people not protected by workplace laws that are open to exploitation.
[QUOTE=Nookyava;52277601]Alright, so getting a paycheck without a social is valid, although I assume you still need one for a bank account no? That's why I believe those "check cashing" places exist.
So if we go with the fact that they are getting paid via paycheck, and that's true they're paying sales tax - we still arrive at the situation that they're illegal. This also means they are taking jobs from those who are residents here. That's a problem still IMO.[/QUOTE]
That isn't really how economics works. If adding more people to an economy meant they took up the finite number of existing jobs, then we'd get poorer and poorer as our population grows.
Labor is a resource, and an increase in the supply of labor- just like an increase in the supply of any resource- allows for cheaper goods, the creation of complementary positions, and greater overall wealth.
[QUOTE=Nookyava;52277641]I can understand this, however when people need money I can't believe that them wanting to turn down a job because they don't want to do it is the right move.
Yes working in a cheap restaurant can be shitty at times, but if it's up to code and it's not harming your health at all - you can't just turn down a job because you don't want to do the work.
People need to work, you need to provide for yourself, and these jobs being taken up are just harming those who could potentially get a job and work their way up.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, immigrants need work too. So if they've made it to this county and they're working legally (all but one immigrant from this situation have been resolved of their 'crimes') how are they taking jobs from people that don't want to work those jobs in the first place? Assuming they're working in the country legally is there still an issue with them being immigrants and taking jobs that non-immigrants could 'potentially' work?
[QUOTE=New Cidem;52277434]I'm sure things would be different if they could get away with it. Hell, give it a couple years. With Republicans getting away with treason and assault these days I'm sure we'll get there eventually.[/QUOTE]
No, we won't.
[QUOTE=Milkdairy;52276366]You make it seem like it's easier to just not "break the law." I'd jaywalk too if the other side of the road was nice but it took 15 years and a skillset to cross legally[/QUOTE]
The fuck are you on about? There's a number of ways to come to this country legally. In fact, one of them DID come legally, but neglected to renew his visa which gives him permission to be here; I'm certain the process to renew it is not of any particular expense or difficulty, but please correct me if I'm wrong. Regardless of your stance on immigration laws, the fact is that under the current system of laws, which in this case are the same as in Obama's administration, these guys are not legally in this country. As much as I hate Trump and his administration, just because Trump is making ICE get rid of illegals doesn't mean that illegals should be given free reign to do whatever because "fuck trump." I don't give a damn if their home country is a shithole, there's legal ways to come here and if they're gonna try to do it illegally, they need to be prepared to face the consequences.
[QUOTE=JeSuisIkea;52277803]Yeah but even people who really need work probably aren't going to be taking the job that makes you work 16 hour days for below minimum wage with no benefits or hope for advancement. It's not really something most citizens are interested in for good reason, the only reason those jobs exist is because there is a population of people not protected by workplace laws that are open to exploitation.[/QUOTE]
But we're assuming that they're paying below minimum wage.
However you do bring up a point with the jobs existing only because of those people being able to be exploited. So I can concede on that issue - those jobs wouldn't exist w/o the illegals.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;52277804]That isn't really how economics works. If adding more people to an economy meant they took up the finite number of existing jobs, then we'd get poorer and poorer as our population grows.
Labor is a resource, and an increase in the supply of labor- just like an increase in the supply of any resource- allows for cheaper goods, the creation of complementary positions, and greater overall wealth.[/QUOTE]
I'm not exactly sure what you're bringing up here, however I addressed it a bit in my response to the quote above.
Are you saying that the more people added to the economy, the more jobs are created? If so, then yes, I can agree with that, and it does denounce my previous points.
[QUOTE=reedbo;52277811]Yeah, immigrants need work too. So if they've made it to this county and they're working legally (all but one immigrant from this situation have been resolved of their 'crimes') how are they taking jobs from people that don't want to work those jobs in the first place? Assuming they're working in the country legally is there still an issue with them being immigrants and taking jobs that non-immigrants could 'potentially' work?[/QUOTE]
My main issue is that they're illegal. Immigrants have worked their asses off to become citizens of the states by studying our history, government, and taking tests. I have no problem against those here legally.
Sorry for the long post - just wanted to try and address everyone.
I can see your points though.
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