• William Hague admits there is no government plan for additional Scottish powers in Scottish 'No' vot
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[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFPoQmT0B2U[/media] [code]1997, Labour: “We have no plans to introduce tuition fees”. (introduced tuition fees) 1997, Labour: “We will reform the electoral system” (electoral system was not reformed) 2001, Labour: “We will not introduce top-up fees” (introduced top-up fees) 2005, Labour: “We will not raise basic or higher rates of income tax” (raised higher rate of income tax) 2005, Labour: “We will hold a referendum on the EU constitution” (did not hold a referendum on the EU constitution) 2010, Conservatives: “We have absolutely no plans to increase VAT” (increased VAT to 20%) 2010, Conservatives: “There will be no top-down reorganisation of the NHS” (instigated massive top-down reorganisation and privatisation of the NHS) 2010, Conservatives: “No cuts to front-line services” (the biggest cuts to front-line services in British peacetime history) 2010, Conservatives: “No plans to abolish Education Maintenance Allowance” (abolished Education Maintenance Allowance) 2010, Liberal Democrats: “We will vote against any increase in tuition fees” (voted to triple tuition fees) Source: http://wingsoverscotland.com/spelling-it-out/[/code]
This is a blog post, not a news source.
[QUOTE=Robert9734;45949434]This is a blog post, not a news source.[/QUOTE] If you want to be pedantic, here, have 3. [url]http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2014/09/do-party-leaders-promises-more-power-scotland-mean-anything[/url] [url]http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/referendum-news/hague-giving-scotland-more-powers-if-it-votes-no-is-not-government-policy.1410350878[/url] [url]https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/news/politics/westminster/341000/tories-break-ranks-on-devolution/[/url]
[QUOTE=Flapadar;45949473]If you want to be pedantic, here, have 3. [URL]http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2014/09/do-party-leaders-promises-more-power-scotland-mean-anything[/URL] [URL]http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/referendum-news/hague-giving-scotland-more-powers-if-it-votes-no-is-not-government-policy.1410350878[/URL] [URL]https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/news/politics/westminster/341000/tories-break-ranks-on-devolution/[/URL][/QUOTE] Wings over Scotland is a [B]Yes biased [/B][I][B]Blog[/B][/I]. It's equivalent to RT and I wouldn't call it a good source, especially not one for the OP.
[QUOTE=Instant Mix;45949563]Wings over Scotland is a [B]Yes biased [/B][I][B]Blog[/B][/I]. It's equivalent to RT and I wouldn't call it a good source, especially not one for the OP.[/QUOTE] OK so what content in OP is wrong? It is all facts, the video, the times when the british gov have let the british people down. Just because the source is "invalid" doesn't mean the data and facts it uses in its argument are wrong.
Well there isn't a Government plan for Devolution because they haven't sat down to negotiate it yet just like Salmond hasn't started negotiations with the EU for Scottish membership - because the result of the vote is not known yet.
[QUOTE=Thom12255;45949580]Well there isn't a Government plan for Devolution because they haven't sat down to negotiate it yet just like Salmond hasn't started negotiations with the EU for Scottish membership - because the result of the vote is not known yet.[/QUOTE] Salmond can't start negotiations with the EU even if there is a yes vote, because it has to be the head of the UK parliament that does it. David Cameron has this far, refused. If Salmond were able to have started negotiations already, he would have.
I like how their basis for thinking that there are no plans is that "all politicians lie" while seeming to see nothing wrong with supporting Alex Salmond.
[QUOTE=The mouse;45949695]I like how their basis for thinking that there are no plans is that "all politicians lie" while seeming to see nothing wrong with supporting Alex Salmond.[/QUOTE] Alex is different, he's a gentle soul guilty of no misdeeds [editline]11th September 2014[/editline] [img]http://imgkk.com/i/pk8c.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=smurfy;45949734]Alex is different, he's a gentle soul guilty of no misdeeds [editline]11th September 2014[/editline] [img]http://imgkk.com/i/pk8c.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] My dad once met him, and described him as "you could see the slime visibly extruding off his body".
[QUOTE=The mouse;45949695]I like how their basis for thinking that there are no plans is that "all politicians lie" while seeming to see nothing wrong with supporting Alex Salmond.[/QUOTE] Difference is: seperate scottish people have more control when it comes to getting rid of politicians they don't like. They plan to impliment alternative voting, so they don't need to vote for labour to avoid tories or vote tories to avoid labour, they can vote for who they want rather than who they don't want. Salmond is fishy and will probably be rubbish but at least they can get rid of him. David cameron and Ed will be rubbish and if scotland stays they will get one of the 2, regardless of who they vote for.
[QUOTE=The mouse;45949695]I like how their basis for thinking that there are no plans is that "all politicians lie" while seeming to see nothing wrong with supporting Alex Salmond.[/QUOTE] The UK parties could have made actual promises for more powers up until 28 days before the election. Salmond physically can't negotiate with the EU. That's the difference here - the UK parties chose not to.
pretty much everyone does this though, you cant really cherry pick one side for doing it when both are campaigning and both are likely as guilty as the next
[QUOTE=Marzipas;45949890]pretty much everyone does this though, you cant really cherry pick one side for doing it when both are campaigning and both are likely as guilty as the next[/QUOTE] The thing is they're playing it off as if what they're promising is actually going to happen if we vote no. It's misleading and is a sly attempt to play it their way without breaking the 28 day rule of the Edinburgh agreement.
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