• Diablo 4 rumours are heating up ahead of BlizzCon 2016
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please god don't resemble diablo 3
Blizzard usually doesn't make sequels that fast so I'll be surprised if it is D4 I will welcome a new installment that takes what they relearned during D3 and its expansion though.
[QUOTE=portalcrazy;51213969]please god don't resemble diablo 3[/QUOTE] do you mean that in the sense that you think diablo 3 is bad? or in the sense you just want it to be different, because diablo 4 being diablo 3 with more stuff would be pretty disappointing even as someone who likes diablo 3
[QUOTE=portalcrazy;51213969]please god don't resemble diablo 3[/QUOTE] but theres nothing wrong with 3
3 was bad at launch but got better, played a bit of it recently and it feels a lot more "diabloly". Diablo 2 is still better though.
[QUOTE=Saxon;51213974]Blizzard usually doesn't make sequels that fast so I'll be surprised if it is D4 I will welcome a new installment that takes what they relearned during D3 and its expansion though.[/QUOTE] I wouldn't be surprised if it was the expansion folks were speculating about after Reaper of Souls. Either way, I'd be interested to see if they're actually doing something with Diablo again. Though it'll probably need to be pretty great to draw me away from Grim Dawn. And probably bring back the Horadric Cube rather than fall back on the crafting systems we come to expect from many Diablo-likes.
D3 is a great game, it wasn't on launch but it's a fucking great game now. Is D2 better? Maybe. It's hard to say. Things have changed so much since then, D2 is the gold fucking standard by which all other titles are judged though, but it has aged and so has it's gameplay mechanics and design choices and many of them do seem illfitting now adays. I still love that game but I have to admit, some of my love is based off of nostalgia. I have to believe it is for other people too.
[QUOTE=Saxon;51213974]Blizzard usually doesn't make sequels that fast so I'll be surprised if it is D4 I will welcome a new installment that takes what they relearned during D3 and its expansion though.[/QUOTE] They used to though. But Blizzard's decade of being The World of Warcraft Factory warped perceptions.
My bet is that they'll announce a remastered version of Diablo 1 / 2. Considering it's 20th anniversary of the Diablo series this year and it's a good way to pamper the fans of the original two games while also making a lot of money for comparatively little effort. Diablo 4? I don't see it, D3 is still around and is still pretty popular. Maybe an expansion for Diablo 3? Reaper of Souls is 2 years old and they already have a solid base game to build upon.
Probably multiple [URL="http://blizzardwatch.com/2015/11/04/blizzard-updating-warcraft-iii-diablo-ii-and-starcraft-in-hd/"]HD[/URL] remakes.
[QUOTE=portalcrazy;51213969]please god don't resemble diablo 3[/QUOTE] Why not? D3 after RoS got pretty damn good. If they took that and just improved it even more it would be perfectly fine
I kinda hope they keep the rune system. I know many people who dislike it but for the love of god, I do NOT have the time to restart my character all the time because I realize 60 hours in that my build is shit.
Watch it end up a Diablo themed storyline/deck for Heroes of The Storm or Diablo themed skins for Overwatch or something else.
[QUOTE=TheTalon;51214737]Why not? D3 after RoS got pretty damn good. If they took that and just improved it even more it would be perfectly fine[/QUOTE] D3 at its core is okay. But it has a metric ton of problems. The story is shit, even in ros. The gear grind is stupid. Theres no customization in your character at all, no skill levels, no anything, which just means that people rush to max level through adventure mode and thats all they do. The gear treadmill is bland and consists of every character using 6 piece sets (because those are the most powerful, the difference between someone wearing a full getup of legendaries and one using a 2 piece or 4 piece set bonus is crazy) and the endgame consisting of nothing but the same couple of randomized dungeons sucks. D2 wasn't better in that respect but most players would just play through the campaign again, while in D3 you don't really have that option. I'd prefer if D4 went more in the direction of D2+POE, with very punishing gameplay, dark and grim, with actual customization in your character, so that no two feel the same. Just look at how different the D3 beta footage looks compared to release D3. I loved the beta stuff, and they just toned it down further and further until a husk practically remained. [video=youtube;Q17FDfU7-ds]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q17FDfU7-ds[/video]
I sure hope it's not another diablo. We want Warcraft 4 :(
I just hope the story won't be horrible like in 3
[QUOTE=DEMONSKUL;51215505]I just hope the story won't be horrible like in 3[/QUOTE] [I]Arrogant nephalem, that's not the only Hell Rift![/I]
[QUOTE=TheTalon;51214737]Why not? D3 after RoS got pretty damn good. If they took that and just improved it even more it would be perfectly fine[/QUOTE] Diablo 3 with RoS is a good game, but for totally different reasons as why Diablo 2 was a good game. If you played both it should be obvious why somebody could like one but not the other. [editline]17th October 2016[/editline] Personally I liked both, and neither are prefect. I am not sure what direction they should take it in, but i hope Diablo 4 will be much more then small iteration on Diablo3:RoS.
[QUOTE=DEMONSKUL;51215505]I just hope the story won't be horrible like in 3[/QUOTE] That's probably never going to happen as long as WoW makes them even the smallest amount of money. Sucks, but that's the truth.
Blizzard's storytelling has taken a bit of a nose-dive in the recent decade. The original StarCraft had a lot of characters out for their own interests, but in StarCraft 2 we just had the hunt for the Space Devil. Come to think of it, that's become a running theme throughout Blizzard stories nowadays. To truly kill the worst of the demons in WoW: Legion, we're going to have to go into the Twisting Nether. To kill Amon in StarCraft 2, they had to go into the Void. And to put the Prime Evils to rest, we had to defeat them in Hell itself. Not to mention the parallels between certain characters, especially when it comes to characters falling into a corrupted evil state. Kerrigan was left for dead, and was turned into the murderous Queen of Blades. Arthas succumbed to the whispers of Frostmourne, and became a Death Knight, later taking up the mantle of the Lich King. And as for the player-characters in the first Diablo? The Warrior got corrupted by Diablo's soulstone (whose silly idea was it to jam it into his own skull?), the Rogue became one of the bosses in Act 1 of Diablo II (remember Blood Raven?), and we end up fighting the mind-twisted Sorcerer in the Arcane Sanctum in Act 2. The whole "corruption" plot mechanic in itself isn't necessarily a bad thing, but constantly reusing the same threads in different settings makes the "new" stories seem overused and predictable.
Really struggled to get into D3, no matter how many times I tried, to me it's absolutely nothing like D2 and the gameplay mechanics are awful. Path Of Exile is what D3 should have been in my opinion.
[QUOTE=ironman17;51216018]Blizzard's storytelling has taken a bit of a nose-dive in the recent decade. The original StarCraft had a lot of characters out for their own interests, but in StarCraft 2 we just had the hunt for the Space Devil. Come to think of it, that's become a running theme throughout Blizzard stories nowadays. To truly kill the worst of the demons in WoW: Legion, we're going to have to go into the Twisting Nether. To kill Amon in StarCraft 2, they had to go into the Void. And to put the Prime Evils to rest, we had to defeat them in Hell itself. Not to mention the parallels between certain characters, especially when it comes to characters falling into a corrupted evil state. Kerrigan was left for dead, and was turned into the murderous Queen of Blades. Arthas succumbed to the whispers of Frostmourne, and became a Death Knight, later taking up the mantle of the Lich King. And as for the player-characters in the first Diablo? The Warrior got corrupted by Diablo's soulstone (whose silly idea was it to jam it into his own skull?), the Rogue became one of the bosses in Act 1 of Diablo II (remember Blood Raven?), and we end up fighting the mind-twisted Sorcerer in the Arcane Sanctum in Act 2. The whole "corruption" plot mechanic in itself isn't necessarily a bad thing, but constantly reusing the same threads in different settings makes the "new" stories seem overused and predictable.[/QUOTE] Yeah wasn't too impressed with SC2's storyline tbh. LoTV was quite hilarious, all that crap at the end was just straight up hilarious to me.
[QUOTE=Anteep;51216047]Yeah wasn't too impressed with SC2's storyline tbh. LoTV was quite hilarious, all that crap at the end was just straight up hilarious to me.[/QUOTE] Aye. To me, it didn't really seem like Kerrigan had quite earned her "redemption". It's been a while, but I can't say I saw her showing true remorse or regret for all the unnecessary death she'd caused during her campaigns. Ideally, during Heart of the Swarm she'd have been showing some faint degree of reluctance, maybe a scene where she's contemplating the things she'd done before she'd been "purified". Hell, maybe in Legacy of the Void she could've questioned whether she was worthy of inheriting the power of the Xel'Naga, or perhaps have a moment of "I'm not proud of what I've done, but maybe now I can do something right for once", when presented with the power of the last Xel'Naga. But what we got is what we got. And while I can't change how it turned out, I could take the ideas of how it should have turned out, and apply them to something of my own. [QUOTE=Moby-;51216045]Really struggled to get into D3, no matter how many times I tried, to me it's absolutely nothing like D2 and the gameplay mechanics are awful. Path Of Exile is what D3 should of been in my opinion.[/QUOTE] Part of me agrees with that, but I myself couldn't fully get in to Path of Exile. The way the skill system worked, socketing gems into items with the right sockets, kinda rubbed me the wrong way, and I couldn't really deal with it as well as I thought I could. Though I did like the wild versatility offered. But it still wasn't enough to keep me playing. Grim Dawn on the other hand kept me hooked. Mostly because most of my skills came from my Masteries, and while the Components system had similar themes of binding special skills to equipment, it felt easier to get around, like I didn't have to slot multiple gems into an item and worry about linkings or whatever. But both of the games have certain systems that I wish were in both. For instance, while Grim Dawn has single-use cooldown-based pots, Path of Exile has Flasks with multiple charges. And while Path of Exile relies on grinding out your skill gems to grow more powerful, with level-ups giving you points to pop into a Passives chart, Grim Dawn gives you a bunch of skill points to play around with, and the Devotion system has you doing mini-quests to restore Shrines for loot and Devotion Points. Though speaking of all this, it seems strange that General Games Discussion doesn't have a Grim Dawn thread. I mean, it's a damn fine game, and it's been out of Early Access for quite a while now, but I rarely see it discussed on this site. I can't be the only one here who plays Grim Dawn, right?
[QUOTE=Cold;51215610]Diablo 3 with RoS is a good game, but for totally different reasons as why Diablo 2 was a good game. If you played both it should be obvious why somebody could like one but not the other. [editline]17th October 2016[/editline] Personally I liked both, and neither are prefect. I am not sure what direction they should take it in, but i hope Diablo 4 will be much more then small iteration on Diablo3:RoS.[/QUOTE] I hope they take D3/RoS, make it look like Path of Exile with the gritty atmosphere, and throw in some near D&D character customization, stat wise, for you to spend on level ups
People always seem to repeat that RoS fixed D3, but I never really saw it. Of course, I didn't get too serious with the meta and always kept things pretty casual. Gameplay wise, D3 was pretty fun. But the themes and the story were incredibly bad. Saturday Morning Cartoon villains literally goading you every step of the way. Look at older games where you were such an insignificant figure that bosses didn't even know you existed, let alone gave you the time of day. RoS felt like Blizzard's Shadow The Hedgehog. Worst of all was Blizzard's constant attempts to prove that D3's atmosphere was just as dark as previous titles when hundreds of fan concepts proved how easily it could have been fixed. Sorry to keep the circlejerk rolling, I just really hate it. IMO, looking at D3 and SC2, Blizzard needs to seriously take some time to consider their writing before jumping into another game.
[QUOTE=FlakTheMighty;51215888]That's probably never going to happen as long as WoW makes them even the smallest amount of money. Sucks, but that's the truth.[/QUOTE] to be fair, chris metzen, the main writer, left blizzard a bit ago.
I really would like them to return to that super dark gothic fantasy/horror feeling of diablo 1 for another sequel. I don't think diablo needed to have a brighter artstyle.
[QUOTE=Moby-;51216045]Really struggled to get into D3, no matter how many times I tried, to me it's absolutely nothing like D2 and the gameplay mechanics are awful. Path Of Exile is what D3 should have been in my opinion.[/QUOTE] im the opposite, i fucking hate PoE and every time ive tried it ive only made it to the end of act 1 and promptly dropped it, im glad D3 is what it was [editline]17th October 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Furnost;51214039]but theres nothing wrong with 3[/QUOTE] man so many disagrees, have none of you even played 3 once they vastly improved it?
[QUOTE=Furnost;51219093]im the opposite, i fucking hate PoE and every time ive tried it ive only made it to the end of act 1 and promptly dropped it, im glad D3 is what it was [editline]17th October 2016[/editline] man so many disagrees, have none of you even played 3 once they vastly improved it?[/QUOTE] Path of Exile is great even though I only ever reached end game once. Vanilla D3 would have been great if they didn't put the fucking RMAH in, RoS is just running rifts over and over again to get coins to spend on the random item vendor and hope you get lucky with a set item. Bring back normal, nightmare, hell, inferno. Finally clearing Diablo on inferno after realising I could use axes as a wizard was bonza.
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