• Existence of God
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Over the last couple of weeks, I've been baffling myself with this question repeatedly: [b]"Does God even exist?"[/b] Sure, God and related Saints have been mentioned in The Bible, but text alone doesn't provide enough information about His existence. We could say that He is an alien. For example, when Saint Mary got pregnant with Jesus, The Bible mentions a ray of light in the middle of the night (may be Jesus's birth), which was casting on Mary. Now, we know that aliens possess some high-tech stuff (the alien technology 2000 years ago might possibly be outdated), so they could have used a teleporter ray to inseminate Mary with a human sperm. I know it sounds ridiculous, but it may have been it. The aliens would then create the so-called "miracles", using Jesus as a dummy. Pre-Jesus period (time before Jesus was borned) in which miracles happened also applies. Now, for the proof of His and Jesus's existence. Once, my Religion teacher told my class a story about a cross being dug out of the ground. At that time, a potentially blind old woman was walking around and overheard the people who dug out the cross arguing if it was Jesus's cross or one of the two criminal's crosses. The old woman said "If the cross that I'll touch will heal my eyes, then it's Jesus's cross." She then touched the cross and she regained her vision. However, there IS a problem with the above story. When Jesus was killed on the cross, The Bible says that the ground shook at the exact time of his death. This involves alien activity, who might have tried to save Jesus from his death by striking the cross with a strong healing substance, shield or whatever it may be. Also, the old woman might have lost her mind and thought that she was blind. There are more theories and statements that I have yet not heard of, and I'd gladly read them to form a stronger opinion on God's existence, as well as the other FP users. inb4: "(User was banned for this post ("Shit thread" - garry))"
Could be true, though aliens do not seem like the answer. Just my opinion, I' not minimally religious.
[QUOTE=StalkerPT;32507581]Could be true, though aliens do not seem like the answer. Just my opinion, I' not minimally religious.[/QUOTE] It doesn't apply for aliens ONLY. It could be any other things, for which I'm waiting for other people's opinions.
[QUOTE=StalkerPT;32507581]Herp reaction images[/QUOTE] Nice way of reading the sticky. Now to the topic. I think that there is someone, or someones controlling our lives somehow. I mean, the whole way our universe , and our life manifested, it's one huge chain of lucky combinations. I say that we are either lucky as shit, or there is something who made it possible. But really, once I see solid 100% proof of a "god" I'll believe. But I really don't think aliens visited us yet, or atleast, in the way you described.
I just feel like there really isn't anyway to completely disprove the existence of a supreme deity. I just feel also that there really isn't any particularly strong evidence.
I once told my dad that God wrote the universe in C++ in an OOP fashion. It starts (for simplicity's sake) with atoms of different elements, each of which have attributes. Then it goes up from there. I was mostly messing with him, but what if?...
[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Aliens]I think I have the perfect TV show for you supervoltage[/url] But the idea of aliens acting like god is very unlikely, but possible. We did the same thing to the Aztecs.
[QUOTE=ZuXer;32507687]But I really don't think aliens visited us yet, or atleast, in the way you described.[/QUOTE] 2000 years ago, not many people could possess a telescope OR any device that could observe space at a very high resolution. Aliens could easily come and use a primitive(?) cloaking technology to get close to us and observe Jesus from up close. After the aliens have abducted Jesus (40 days after his revival), they ran away using hyper-speed technology. I'm sure that in 2000 years they had enough time to go outside today's telescopes range. [QUOTE=minilandstan;32507875][url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Aliens]I think I have the perfect TV show for you supervoltage[/url][/QUOTE] Reading through the wiki, I noticed this: [QUOTE=Wikipedia]..advanced beings from another world visited primitive humans, gave them the knowledge of the solar system, concepts of engineering and mathematics..[/QUOTE] That reduces the perfection level in my vision by 75%. I was talking solely about how a group of aliens could stand up as God. Teaching people the terms mentioned in the Wikipedia quote isn't real. Humans have a mind, they use it to think. Exceptional thinkers like Einstein, Galileo Galilei, Aristothle (have I spelled it right?) and other geniuses have created all these mathematical laws and formulas.
Judeo-Christian interpretations of God? Probably not, don't make sense or are logically incoherent. Another type of God? Sure why not.
As far as I'm concerned, if it was aliens/god/a wizard, why haven't we seen any proof of them later? or indeed, outside of christianity in terms of the christian god?
The third possibility not mentioned in the OP is that the book of mythology written by a bunch of Bronze Age goat-herders is every bit as fictional as the Greco-Roman myths it replaced. Anecdotes and circular references are nowhere near the extraordinary evidence that an extraordinary claim requires. I see no reason to arbitrarily lend Christianity's book any more credibility than the Qur'an, Bhagavad Gita, Upanishads, or Odyssey, which we readily accept as fiction and myth.
To debate god's existence you first have to have a relatively solid definition of what god exactly is.
[QUOTE=idiot;32508265]To debate god's existence you first have to have a relatively solid definition of what god exactly is.[/QUOTE] From the OP it's pretty obvious that we're talking about the Judeo-Christian god, not Allah, Vishnu, Zeus, Odin, or the useless deity of Deism.
Aliens seems like an unlikely thing but you make a good point. God is so blown out of proportion and people see God as an incredibly smart white guy with a giant beard in a robe who sits on a giant chair helping people and punishing sinners. God isn't a person in specific in my opinion. God is a phenomon, and entity. If aliens were behind Jesus then they would have long since taken over the world or helped us in amazing ways.
This thread is extremely vague.. Which "God" are you referring to, and what exactly do you mean by existence?
[QUOTE=catbarf;32508286]From the OP it's pretty obvious that we're talking about the Judeo-Christian god, not Allah, Vishnu, Zeus, Odin, or the useless deity of Deism.[/QUOTE] The Judeo-Christian God is probably the least coherently defined out of all those you mentioned, but if that's actually the case then you're right. It's no coincidence that a society of shepherds and farmers would define god as a benevolent shepherd in the sky that watches over his flock, etc. If we're debating the general concept of god then we won't get very far in terms of quantifiable proof since there's no coherent definition of him in the first place, you can claim that a four-sided triangle exists outside of space and time, cannot be seen or measured and actively hates blue spheres but it'd be unverifiable.
Even if god exist he's still a huge asshole and there's absolutely no reason to worship him unless you're mentally challenged or really in need of an imaginary dominant alpha-male to watch over you.
Believing in God(s) is always a choice to the person. Sure, I believe in them, but that they don't give two shits about the universe and let us dick around. It's called a faith for a reason, just don't blindly follow it and ignore science.
If he exists, then he did some pretty horrible things. The Great Flood, The Confusion of Tongues and Crucifixion were pretty dick moves.
[QUOTE=xZippy;32509427]If he exists, then he did some pretty horrible things. The Great Flood, The Confusion of Tongues and Crucifixion were pretty dick moves.[/QUOTE] God didn't do the crucifixion, also you're kind of assuming the OP only means the Abrahamic god
No god does not exist,there's enough scientific evidence to disprove him creating the universe,creating the man and all other animals individually etc...Also many of bible's quotes conflict with each other or are illogical.There's no logic in religion anyway,it's a blind belief in higher power because people often just want to simplify things by saying god did it...
The whole concept of God, as an omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient and omnibenevolent (especially this one) being, is entirely incoherent and meaningless. It's not a question of finding something to prove such a beings existence: it's simply not an answerable question. It's like trying to discover proof that 2+2=potato. [editline]27th September 2011[/editline] And Christianity has absolutely fucking nothing to do with the question. To be honest the bible is almost entirely metaphysically irrelevant and an absolute waste of time, philosophically (obviously it's very interesting from a cultural perspective, etc).
Unlikely because of lack of proof not to mention it probably would go against are current understanding of the universe.
Whoever made us is our God, whether it be a piece or wood or a spider. But an almighty entity doesn't make sense to me.
a god? sure a god in religion? probably not
there's probably something much more sentient than ourselves that is responsible for existence probably not a god in the conventional sense though
No form of god I know of seem provable or disprovable except the gods of Greek mythology. I'll personally just be neutral as to whether or not a supreme being of any faith exists until some undeniable evidence comes to either side.
[QUOTE=Rebi;32513125]No form of god I know of seem provable or disprovable except the gods of Greek mythology.[/QUOTE] Hey it could still be possible a guy with horses brings the sun up and down. I mean we haven't seen the horse but we haven't haven't seen it either.
Oh boy, another one of [i]these[/i] threads. This is not a suitable topic for debate as both sides flat out refuse to engage in any sort of debate, and blame the other for making debate impossible.
[QUOTE=Mon;32512198]a god? sure a god in religion? probably not[/QUOTE] You think there's enough certainty to just say "Sure, there's a god"? [editline]27th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;32513207]Oh boy, another one of [i]these[/i] threads. This is not a suitable topic for debate as both sides flat out refuse to engage in any sort of debate, and blame the other for making debate impossible.[/QUOTE] Oh yeah, how do those saying belief in God is illogical "refuse to engage in debate"?
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