• Julia Gillard makes stand as a social conservative
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Source: [url]http://www.news.com.au/national/julia-gillard-makes-stand-as-a-social-conservative/story-e6frfkvr-1226025095796[/url] [release] * PM comes out fighting against Greens * Against legalising gay marriage, euthanasia * Join us over on [url=http://www.facebook.com/pages/newscomau/111416688885713]Facebook[/url] | [url=http://twitter.com/news_com_au]Twitter[/url] JULIA Gillard has revealed herself to be a cultural traditionalist, indicating she will oppose moves by the Greens for euthanasia and gay marriage laws and that she believes it is important for people to understand the Bible- despite the fact she is an atheist. Appearing on Sky News's Australian Agenda yesterday, the Prime Minister again distanced herself from the Greens, arguing they did not have an economic philosophy about "reform or about growth" and had voted against Kevin Rudd's carbon pollution reduction scheme because they "didn't sufficiently care about jobs", The Australian reports. Ms Gillard's comments came as her deputy, Wayne Swan, announced the government's long-awaited tax summit would be held in early October. Ms Gillard said tax cuts were "a live option" from the revenue from the carbon tax and gave her strongest signal yet that petrol would be offset to ease cost-of-living pressures. Her comments came as Trade Minister Craig Emerson attacked Tony Abbott's vow to repeal the carbon tax as a plan to repeal tax cuts and lower pensions. But the Opposition Leader said no serious government would advocate introducing a new tax ahead of the October tax summit, which should consider the plan. He labelled the tax-cut recommendation "a tax bribe". "Real tax reform does not rob Peter to pay Paul," Mr Abbott said. "Real tax reform is not taking money out of one pocket to put it in the other pocket." Ms Gillard, taking aim at the Greens for the second time in a week, described as "a load of old cobblers" commentary suggesting she had only recently discovered a difference between Labor and the minor party. Asked about her attitudes on social issues, Ms Gillard harked back to her upbringing in Adelaide and agreed that she was a "cultural traditionalist". "I had a pro-union, pro-Labor upbringing in a quite conservative family, in a sense of personal values. I mean we believed in lots of things that are old fashioned in the modern age," she said. "We believed in politeness and thrift and fortitude and doing duty and diligence. These are things that were part of my upbringing. They're part of who I am." On euthanasia, Ms Gillard said while she could personally understand that people in the end stage of life might want that choice, she had never been satisfied that policy proposals from pro-euthanasia advocates had enough safeguards. On gay marriage, Ms Gillard said: "I do find myself on the conservative side in this question." Declaring there were "some important things from our past that need to continue to be part of our present and part of our future", Ms Gillard said her view was that the Marriage Act - and marriage being between a man and woman - "has a special status". Ms Gillard said it was important for people to understand their Bible stories "not because I'm an advocate of religion - clearly I'm not - but once again, what comes from the Bible has formed such an important part of our culture". "It's impossible to understand Western literature without having that key of understanding the Bible stories and how Western literature builds on them and reflects them and deconstructs them and brings them back together," she said. The Prime Minister's comments come before the Australian Marriage Equality group releases today a paper saying an extra $742 million could be pumped into the economy by weddings alone, with another $7m in licence fees to be collected by the states.[/release]
[quote]On gay marriage, Ms Gillard said: "I do find myself on the conservative side in this question." Declaring there were "some important things from our past that need to continue to be part of our present and part of our future", Ms Gillard said her view was that the Marriage Act - and marriage being between a man and woman - "has a special status".[/quote] What a terrible atheist. Damnit, we're supposed to be liberal and logical! Without that what do we have? An inflated sense of self worth? Dawkins took all that shit years ago.
[quote]Ms Gillard, taking aim at the Greens for the second time in a week, described as "a load of old cobblers" Ms Gillard harked back to her upbringing in Adelaide and agreed that she was a "cultural traditionalist".[/quote] I know politicians are generally a bit batty but seriously?
she has to go, seriously
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;28708898]What a terrible atheist. Damnit, we're supposed to be liberal and logical! Without that what do we have? An inflated sense of self worth? Dawkins took all that shit years ago.[/QUOTE] Stop acting like atheism is some kind of unified liberalism effort. Atheists are people who don't believe in god, nothing more.
Best part is FP was supporting her every move a few months ago.
[QUOTE=Zambies!;28709853]Best part is FP was supporting her every move a few months ago.[/QUOTE] Because no one's ever allowed to change their mind about a politician.
I do not see how social conservatives can possibly think their bullshit is okay.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;28709800]Stop acting like atheism is some kind of unified liberalism effort. Atheists are people who don't believe in god, nothing more.[/QUOTE] oh im sorry mr. serious ill be sure to never make a joke ever again for fear that it doesn't accurately represent reality and i thought as a jehovah's witness you'd be used to saying one thing and believing another
You can be atheist while belonging to any political ideology.
Except for the gay marriage thing, she sounds fine to me.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;28708898]What a terrible atheist. Damnit, we're supposed to be liberal and logical! Without that what do we have? An inflated sense of self worth? Dawkins took all that shit years ago.[/QUOTE] atheist ubermensch
So out of all the conservative viewpoints to take, she took the one that is the least justifiable: social conservatism. :sigh:
I don't get it. What earthly reason does she have to be a social conservative? At least christians can say their holy book tells them homosexuality is evil.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;28710323]oh im sorry mr. serious ill be sure to never make a joke ever again for fear that it doesn't accurately represent reality and i thought as a jehovah's witness you'd be used to saying one thing and believing another[/QUOTE] Using personal attacks against your enemies, brilliant way of arguing.
[QUOTE=Turnips5;28711952]I don't get it. What earthly reason does she have to be a social conservative? At least christians can say their holy book tells them homosexuality is evil.[/QUOTE] Social Darwinism.
Oh, look, the person of Australia's left-wing party, and indeed, the left-wing faction within that party, is socially conservative. Fucking woo. :colbert:
[QUOTE=Aredbomb;28712288]Social Darwinism.[/QUOTE] That's more like economic conservatism. What does it have to do with gay marriage?
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;28709800]Stop acting like atheism is some kind of unified liberalism effort. Atheists are people who don't believe in god, nothing more.[/QUOTE] Well more often than not, atheists are people who require some rational basis for things, this is commonly associated with liberalism. Traditionally, liberalism sprung about because of people doubting current knowledge and using reason to find a 'better' answer. Essentially people who choose reason over absolute faith are more likely to also make up a rational argument for gay marriage, one that proves that its all about some people having a monopoly on a word that denotes a universal concept. Personally, I think its the duty of all atheists to use reason and logic for their answers and as such they should find no logical reason to be against gay marriage or euthanasia.
Actually the rational position is agnosticism, as there is no way to prove or disprove a supernatural entity. But w/e.
[QUOTE=Turnips5;28712348]That's more like economic conservatism. What does it have to do with gay marriage?[/QUOTE] It can be applied to either fiscal or social conservatism. In Gillard's situation, she can use it to make an argument like "gays cannot have children, therefore they are not fit to survive" and claim that by opposing gay marriage she's supporting Social Darwinism.
[QUOTE=Earthen;28712459]Well more often than not, atheists are people who require some rational basis for things, this is commonly associated with liberalism. Traditionally, liberalism sprung about because of people doubting current knowledge and using reason to find a 'better' answer. Essentially people who choose reason over absolute faith are more likely to also make up a rational argument for gay marriage, one that proves that its all about some people having a monopoly on a word that denotes a universal concept. Personally, I think its the duty of all atheists to use reason and logic for their answers and as such they should find no logical reason to be against gay marriage or euthanasia.[/QUOTE] Ever been to the UK?
[QUOTE=Contag;28712571]Actually the rational position is agnosticism, as there is no way to prove or disprove a supernatural entity. But w/e.[/QUOTE] Sorry I meant that we should take a rational look at things purported as the truth in holy scripture. I mean is there any actual evidence for a some massive flood? [editline]20th March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=carcarcargo;28712792]Ever been to the UK?[/QUOTE] Lived there for two years, what do you mean?
[QUOTE=Earthen;28713244]Sorry I meant that we should take a rational look at things purported as the truth in holy scripture. I mean is there any actual evidence for a some massive flood? [editline]20th March 2011[/editline] Lived there for two years, what do you mean?[/QUOTE] Becuase most athiests round here are incredibly descrimitive.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;28713360]Becuase most athiests round here are incredibly descrimitive.[/QUOTE] most people in britain, anglican or atheist, are discriminatory it's pretty much part of our culture this is the country who imagined there was a muslim problem because 10 people were standing outside downing street with signs to get TV coverage
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;28713360]Becuase most athiests round here are incredibly descrimitive.[/QUOTE] See thisispain's post. Maybe not all atheists are like that, but they should be like that.
I stand by my assertion that she is Tilda Swinton under a false name.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;28713360]Becuase most athiests round here are incredibly descrimitive.[/QUOTE] That's just because Nigel's are a bunch of poncy bastards.
[QUOTE=Contag;28712571]Actually the rational position is agnosticism, as there is no way to prove or disprove a supernatural entity. But w/e.[/QUOTE] No Atheism is the rational position because it's impossible to disprove something which has no proof. But w/e.
Don't turn this into a religion argument.
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