Looks like UKIP will either rebrand, reorganise, or split up if Britain votes to stay in the EU
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[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35949705[/url]
[quote]UKIP leader Nigel Farage says he is frustrated he cannot make sweeping changes to the way the party makes policy and recruits members.
He told BBC Radio 4's Today programme he wants to slash joining fees from £30 to £10 and let members vote online to decide policy.
Mr Farage said: "I'm frustrated that this idea which has been around for a long time hasn't been put into action.
"And frankly I don't have the power and ability to do this myself."
Leading figures in UKIP suspect he is set to rebrand the party after the EU referendum in June.
Some also believe he could try to launch a new political movement.[/quote]
[url]http://www.politico.eu/article/euroskeptic-movement-plan-what-comes-after-ukip-brexit/[/url]
[quote]Britain could vote to remain in the EU but face an altogether new rebellion afterwards.
That is the hope of some of Britain’s most senior Euroskeptics who are already making plans for what could happen in the event that they fail to fulfill their dream of a Brexit. Though opinion polls suggest the race is neck-and-neck — the current “poll of polls” puts Remain on 51 percent and Leave on 49 percent — some of the most influential voices in the Brexit camp are already exploring how to continue their fight should they be defeated on June 23.
Amid a Euroskeptic movement divided into warring factions, influential campaigners and donors are beginning to talk openly about how — should they lose — they could emerge from defeat with a new movement that has much broader appeal. Those around the UK Independence Party (UKIP) have been inspired in part by the Scottish National Party (SNP) that despite experiencing defeat at the 2014 referendum went on to force a complete realignment of politics in Scotland in the 2015 general election.
Those who talk about trying to emulate the Scottish model also share an awareness that in its current form UKIP, which mobilized 13 percent of the vote at that same general election, has taken Euroskeptics as far as they can go. Pointing to how the party has continued to tread water at between 10 and 15 percent in opinion polls, some of the most senior donors and strategists are now actively talking about how to use Britain’s EU referendum as a springboard to launch a more professional successor movement that can reach the 20-25 percent territory.
As one of Britain’s most senior Euroskeptics told me: “UKIP needs to rebrand itself and change after the referendum. There is a huge opportunity coming. You could have that SNP effect where you lose the battle but win the war. I am keen to look at how we can reposition UKIP to take full advantage of that.”
Some point to the sheer quantity of data that Brexiteers will hold after the referendum — detailed information on hundreds of thousands of voters who have either registered their support for Euroskeptic platforms or voted for UKIP during a succession of national election campaigns. Leave.EU, an organization with close ties to UKIP, now has 600,000 fans on Facebook, more than the Conservative Party, Labour, Liberal Democrats and UKIP. It is also revealing that they are now employing the same social media analytical teams that are scraping data for Ted Cruz and others in the United States.
One idea floating around is to remodel the 23-year-old UKIP, currently third in the polls, along the lines of the populist Beppe Grillo’s Five Star Movement in Italy. Instead of a conventional branch-based model, supporters would be organized around “online democracy” and given far more power than UKIP members currently hold. Whether Nigel Farage, who has long held a tight grip over his party, would be content with such a set-up or even be involved is unclear. Either way, prominent Euroskeptics talk of wanting to build a younger, more active support base. “UKIP is seen as an old people’s party,” said one influential donor, “whereas most of the opposition to the EU on the continent is younger.” There is some truth to this. Unlike the ‘Freedom Parties’ in Austria and the Netherlands, both of which are currently sitting comfortably in first place in the polls, or the National Front in France, which is gearing up for the 2017 presidential campaign, UKIP has made little headway among middle-aged and younger voters. Nor has it emulated Marine Le Pen’s inroads among women.[/quote]
[editline]3rd April 2016[/editline]
So if we vote to stay, it looks like UKIP in its current form will disappear and be replaced by either a very different UKIP (possibly sans Farage), a new party, or maybe some kind of Eurosceptic civil war or some other shit
[quote]Pointing to how the party has continued to tread water at between 10 and 15 percent in opinion polls, some of the most senior donors and strategists are now actively talking about how to use Britain’s EU referendum as a springboard to launch a more professional successor movement that can reach the 20-25 percent territory.[/quote]
I don't like UKIP but this is a smart move. I'm pretty sure we're not headed for the 'brexit' so it's prudent for them to turn that into some form of forward progress, if not a victory. I hope that New-kip will have less batshit insane policies this time.
Hopefully it explodes into several different parties to split the racist nutjob vote.
Even Nigel knows when Brexit is doomed to fail...
Edit: Guess I was real damn wrong
[QUOTE=Nerts;50059601]Hopefully it explodes into several different parties to split the racist nutjob vote.[/QUOTE]
Look, i don't like UKIP and won't vote for them, but labeling the people who do support UKIP as racist nutjobs is just flat out ignorant.
[QUOTE=CasualTR;50059995]Even Nigel knows when Brexit is doomed to fail...[/QUOTE]
Except every projected vote carried out thus far has had the margin between in and out so fine that literally no one knows whats gonna happen.
Last one i bothered to look at had out winning with 48% with 20% of people undecided, so yeah take from that what you please.
[QUOTE=Nerts;50059601]Hopefully it explodes into several different parties to split the racist nutjob vote.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I mean, every Eurosceptic is a racist and there are no rational reasons to be against immigration, right?
[QUOTE=Britain;50060962]Yeah I mean, every Eurosceptic is a racist and there are no rational reasons to be against immigration, right?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Fr3ddi3;50060345]Look, i don't like UKIP and won't vote for them, but labeling the people who do support UKIP as racist nutjobs is just flat out ignorant.[/QUOTE]
Not necessarily, but racist nutjobs do tend to vote UKIP/BNP.
As if I needed any extra incentive to vote to stay in the EU.
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