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[I]The West accuses Iran of working on nuclear weapons under the guise of a civilian energy program.[/I]
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[*]Report: Brazil offers to mediate in talks over nuclear fuel swap between Iran, West
[*]The nuclear fuel exchange centers around enriched uranium
[*]Iran says it was enriching uranium capable of setting off a nuclear reaction
[*]West urged it to send uranium out of country to be enriched in exchange for fuel for a reactor
[/LIST][/release][quote=CNN][B](CNN)[/B] -- [B]Iran has agreed "in principle" to an offer by Brazil to mediate its stalled nuclear fuel swap, Iranian media reported Wednesday.[/B]
[B]President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad made the announcement in a phone conversation with his Venezuelan counterpart Hugo Chavez, the semi-official Fars news agency said.[/B]
[B]The news agency said Iran and Brazil will now work out the technical details of the offer.[/B]
[B]The nuclear fuel exchange centers around enriched uranium.[/B]
Iran says it was enriching uranium from its current 3.5 percent to 20 percent -- the threshold for uranium capable of setting off a nuclear reaction. The country says it needs the enriched uranium to fuel a research reactor, which produces isotopes for cancer patients and which is running out of fuel.
The West, however, accuses Iran of trying to create nuclear weapons under the guise of a civilian energy program.
The five permanent U.N. Security Council members plus Germany offered Iran a deal last October: send the low-level uranium out of the country to be enriched elsewhere in exchange for fuel for its reactor.
Tehran did not accept and instead made a counteroffer: make the swap a simultaneous one and carry it out on Iranian soil.
The U.S. State Department called the Iranian proposal a stalling tactic and said world powers would not "front" the fuel to Iran.
A stalemate ensued.
The United States is now seeking support for expanded sanctions, saying Iran is unlikely to negotiate unless sanctions are in place.
[B]Brazil -- which shares a table on the U.N. Security Council, where it holds a non-veto seat -- has said it "will not bend" to U.S. pressure to seek sanctions[/B].
It has said it will try to help revive the stalled deal to help Iran avoid fresh sanctions.[/quote]
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Gotta be honest, I'm not fussed. I don't see why the west got to be the world police, dictating who can and can't have what anyhow. I mean its not like we can be trusted with this power we have over the rest of the world. Look at the whole 'war on terror' load of shite.
[QUOTE=Kade;21770591]Gotta be honest, I'm not fussed. I don't see why the west got to be the world police, dictating who can and can't have what anyhow. I mean its not like we can be trusted with this power we have over the rest of the world. Look at the whole 'war on terror' load of shite.[/QUOTE]
Maybe because the president of Iran said he wanted to wipe Isreal from the map? The middle east is a very tense region and if they make nuclear weapons it could be a minor inconvenience if they ever used them.
I wonder what kind of supervision they are going to get for the plant. A Middle East Chernobyl would suck and I think Irans government would be closer to the incompetent sucking up of the Soviet Government than a more safety conscious country.
[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;21770645]Maybe because the president of Iran said he wanted to wipe Isreal from the map? The middle east is a very tense region and if they make nuclear weapons it could be a minor inconvenience if they ever used them.[/QUOTE]
I'm sure Israel would love to wipe them off the map too.
When it comes to nuclear weapons, its not like the USA have never used them is it? I think every country would use them if push came to shove. The good thing about them is that its a mega deterrent for things like invading a country just to get its oil supplies..
[QUOTE=Kade;21770779]I'm sure Israel would love to wipe them off the map too.
When it comes to nuclear weapons, its not like the USA have never used them is it? I think every country would use them if push came to shove. The good thing about them is that its a mega deterrent for things like invading a country just to get its oil supplies..[/QUOTE]
More nuclear weapons is bad for the world. We're trying to get rid of them.
[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;21770645]Maybe because the president of Iran said he wanted to wipe Isreal from the map? The middle east is a very tense region and if they make nuclear weapons it could be a minor inconvenience if they ever used them.[/QUOTE]
Israel has also said they will send Syria back to the stone age, I am pretty sure only one weapon is capable of doing that.
Also Iran never said they'd wipe Israel off the map instead they said "The reigme occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time" that has been manipulated so badly that people think that they’re implying to nuke Israel.
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Many news sources repeated the Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting statement as though Ahmadinejad had demanded that "Israel must be wiped off the map",[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad_and_Israel#cite_note-4"][COLOR=#5a3696][5][/COLOR][/URL][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad_and_Israel#cite_note-5"][COLOR=#5a3696][6][/COLOR][/URL] an English [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiom"][COLOR=#002bb8]idiom[/COLOR][/URL] which means to "cause a place to stop existing",[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad_and_Israel#cite_note-6"][COLOR=#5a3696][7][/COLOR][/URL] or to "obliterate totally",[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad_and_Israel#cite_note-7"][COLOR=#5a3696][8][/COLOR][/URL] or "destroy completely".[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad_and_Israel#cite_note-8"][COLOR=#5a3696][9][/COLOR][/URL] News sources currently continue to repeat this claim. [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad_and_Israel#cite_note-9"][COLOR=#5a3696][10][/COLOR][/URL]
Ahmadinejad's phrase was " بايد از صفحه روزگار محو شود " according to the text published on the President's Office's website, and was a quote of Ayatollah Khomeini.[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad_and_Israel#cite_note-ahmadinejad_mapwipe_Persian-10"][COLOR=#5a3696][11][/COLOR][/URL]
The translation presented by IRNA has been challenged by Arash Norouzi, who says the statement "wiped off the map" was never made and that Ahmadinejad did not refer to the nation or land mass of Israel, but to the "regime occupying Jerusalem". In his own words:
[INDENT]So what did Ahmadinejad actually say? To quote his exact words in Persian: "Imam ghoft een rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad." That passage will mean nothing to most people, but one word might ring a bell: rezhim-e. It is the word "Regime", pronounced just like the English word with an extra "eh" sound at the end. Ahmadinejad did not refer to Israel the country or Israel the land mass, but the Israeli regime. This is a vastly significant distinction, as one cannot wipe a regime off the map. Ahmadinejad does not even refer to Israel by name, he instead uses the specific phrase "rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods" (regime occupying Jerusalem).
So this raises the question.. what exactly did he want "wiped from the map"? The answer is: nothing. That's because the word "map" was never used. The Persian word for map, "nagsheh", is not contained anywhere in his original Persian quote, or, for that matter, anywhere in his entire speech. Nor was the western phrase "wipe out" ever said. Yet we are led to believe that Iran's President threatened to "wipe Israel off the map", despite never having uttered the words "map", "wipe out" or even "Israel"
The full quote translated directly to English: "The Imam said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time".
Word by word translation: Imam (Khomeini) ghoft (said) een (this) rezhim-e (regime) ishghalgar-e (occupying) qods (Jerusalem) bayad (must) az safheh-ye ruzgar (from page of time) mahv shavad (vanish from)..[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad_and_Israel#cite_note-rumor-11"][COLOR=#5a3696][12][/COLOR][/URL][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad_and_Israel#cite_note-huffingtonpost.com-12"][COLOR=#5a3696][13][/COLOR][/URL]
[/INDENT]Arash Norouzi further adds that the The Islamic Republic News Agency (IRNA) translation is the source of the confusion:
[INDENT]One may wonder: where did this false interpretation originate? Who is responsible for the translation that has sparked such worldwide controversy? The answer is surprising. The inflammatory 'wiped off the map' quote was first disseminated not by Iran's enemies, but by Iran itself. The Islamic Republic News Agency, Iran's official propaganda arm, used this phrasing in the English version of some of their news releases covering the World Without Zionism conference. International media including the BBC, Al Jazeera, Time magazine and countless others picked up the IRNA quote and made headlines out of it without verifying its accuracy, and rarely referring to the source. Iran's Foreign Minister soon attempted to clarify the statement, but the quote had a life of its own. Though the IRNA wording was inaccurate and misleading, the media assumed it was true, and besides, it made great copy.[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad_and_Israel#cite_note-rumor-11"][COLOR=#5a3696][12][/COLOR][/URL][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad_and_Israel#cite_note-huffingtonpost.com-12"][COLOR=#5a3696][13][/COLOR][/URL]
[/INDENT]According to [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juan_Cole"][COLOR=#002bb8]Juan Cole[/COLOR][/URL], a University of Michigan Professor of Modern Middle East and South Asian History, Ahmadinejad's statement should be translated as:
[INDENT]The Imam said that this regime occupying Jerusalem [I](een rezhim-e eshghalgar-e qods)[/I] must [vanish from] the page of time [I](bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad).[/I][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad_and_Israel#cite_note-13"][COLOR=#5a3696][14][/COLOR][/URL]
[/INDENT]The [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_East_Media_Research_Institute"][COLOR=#002bb8]Middle East Media Research Institute[/COLOR][/URL] (MEMRI) translates the phrase similarly, as "be eliminated from the pages of history."[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad_and_Israel#cite_note-14"][COLOR=#5a3696][15][/COLOR][/URL]
According to Cole, "Ahmadinejad did not say he was going to 'wipe Israel off the map' because no such idiom exists in Persian". Instead, "He did say he hoped its regime, i.e., a Jewish-Zionist state occupying Jerusalem, would collapse."[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad_and_Israel#cite_note-Bronner-words-15"][COLOR=#5a3696][16][/COLOR][/URL]
On June 2, 2006 [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Guardian"][COLOR=#5a3696]The Guardian[/COLOR][/URL] columnist and foreign correspondent [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Steele"][COLOR=#002bb8]Jonathan Steele[/COLOR][/URL] published an article based on this line of reasoning.[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad_and_Israel#cite_note-16"][COLOR=#5a3696][17][/COLOR][/URL][/release]
[QUOTE=hansjurgen;21770909]More nuclear weapons is bad for the world. We're trying to get rid of them.[/QUOTE]
Maybe the bigot "world police" should start.
[QUOTE=Kade;21770779]I'm sure Israel would love to wipe them off the map too.
When it comes to nuclear weapons, [b]its not like the USA have never used them is it?[/b] I think every country would use them if push came to shove. The good thing about them is that its a mega deterrent for things like invading a country just to get its oil supplies..[/QUOTE]
Japan
[QUOTE=Jacam12SUX;21772188]Maybe the bigot "world police" should start.[/QUOTE]
What do you think we are doing?
Goddamnit iran.
[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;21770645]Maybe because the president of Iran said he wanted to wipe Isreal from the map? The middle east is a very tense region and if they make nuclear weapons it could be a minor inconvenience if they ever used them.[/QUOTE]
Well, considering the current geopolitical climate, It's very much possible for it to "tragically," and "unexpectedly," melt down, for seemingly no reason.
[QUOTE=Madman_Andre;21772757]Well, considering the current geopolitical climate, It's very much possible for it to "tragically," and "unexpectedly," melt down, for seemingly no reason.[/QUOTE]
Even if it does melt down for whatever reason, Iran will say it's Israels fault. Maybe we should sell them a western design, at least we know it's safe then.
A prefect scenario would be a western built reactor, with western fuel rods. Of course, that wont happen...
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