Sony Responds to Claims of PS4 Used For Terrorist Communication
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I don't think I need to say much.
[url]http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2015-11-16-sony-responds-to-claim-ps4-used-for-terrorist-communications[/url]
[Quote]Sony has responded to comments from Belgium's deputy prime minister and minister of Security and Home Affairs, who claimed communication over PlayStation 4 is more difficult to monitor than WhatsAppSony has responded to comments from Belgium's deputy prime minister and minister of Security and Home Affairs, who claimed communication over PlayStation 4 is more difficult to monitor than WhatsApp[/quote]
[Quote]PlayStation's IP-based voice systems are difficult for investigators to monitor compared to traditional forms of communication such as mobile phones and computers. And terrorists could send messages to each other within PlayStation games without speaking or typing a word.
A member of the Islamic State group, also known as ISIS or ISIL, could convey an attack plan in Super Mario Maker's coins and share it privately with another PS4 user. A player in Call Of Duty could shoot at a wall and write a disappearing message in bullets to another player, Forbes reported.
While it remains unclear whether the militants from Friday's attacks actually used PS4, the popular gaming console has proven to be an effective avenue of covert communication for both the good guys and bad guys.[/quote]
media using the deaths of over a hundred innocent people to push agendas and get those fat stacks, nothing to see here folks
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[QUOTE]A member of the Islamic State group, also known as ISIS or ISIL, could convey an attack plan in Super Mario Maker's coins and share it privately with another PS4 user. A player in Call Of Duty could shoot at a wall and write a disappearing message in bullets to another player, Forbes reported.[/QUOTE]
holy shit hahahaha
[quote]A player in Call Of Duty could shoot at a wall and write a disappearing message in bullets to another player[/quote]
I can picture a group of ISIS playing COD, as they are writing on the wall in bullet holes, a new player runs up a sprays at the wall with an M60
"i fukd ur mom fag" then disconnects.
might as well take down facebook and twitter too right
[QUOTE=damnatus;49126616]
"A member of the Islamic State group, also known as ISIS or ISIL, could convey an attack plan in Super Mario Maker's coins and share it privately with another PS4 user. A player in Call Of Duty could shoot at a wall and write a disappearing message in bullets to another player, Forbes reported."
holy shit hahahaha[/QUOTE]
What a joke. Don't take this article seriously.
[url]http://www.today.com/video/how-isis-may-be-using-phone-apps-and-video-games-to-plot-terror-567520835956[/url]
That flub of "You can text on the PS2" is killing me.
[QUOTE=damnatus;49126616]holy shit hahahaha[/QUOTE]
That's actually a pretty clever way of sharing information securely. I would have never thought of that.
[QUOTE=Sokrates;49126648]That's actually a pretty clever way of sharing information securely. I would have never thought of that.[/QUOTE]
It's good until you realise that quite a lot of games have a decal limit.
[QUOTE=TwistedThrill;49126662]It's good until you realise that quite a lot of games have a decal limit.[/QUOTE]
I was thinking more on the lines of Mario Maker where the limit is until the whole world space is filled. Also you can have multiple levels.
When will the first terrorist plan be conceived through Dark Souls message system!?
[QUOTE=Sokrates;49126694]I was thinking more on the lines of Mario Maker where the limit is until the whole world space is filled. Also you can have multiple levels.
When will the first terrorist plan be conceived through Dark Souls message system!?[/QUOTE]
Give it a week, considering what's been happening recently.
Ban fire, smoke signals possible.
Comparing it to WhatsApp isn't really saying much. WhatsApp implemented a decent encryption setup but they encrypt everything for every user using the same key so.. may as well not even bother.
There's tons of freely available encrypted chat tools out. So not much to asking Sony to make it easier to monitor what people say, as people that really want to hide will just move from one thing to the next in 5 mins, and then all they are monitoring is the general public that aren't trying to hide anything.
Unless you want to go the retarded David Cameron route and ban encryption all together the authorities aren't going to get anything from Sony getting rid of encryption.
The only solution would be an absolutely wide-scale spectator system being designed for every game possible, including outdated video games with zero developers or open-source video games designed by the community. And at that point, they'll just go somewhere else. If they're going to go this far, they're going to do [I]anything[/I] for communication, and you can't ban everything.
Gotta love the fact the article ends with a link for "Buy Playstation 4 from Amazon".
I'll be honest when I say Minecraft seems like the absolute perfect game to plan terror in.
[quote]A player in Call Of Duty could shoot at a wall and write a disappearing message in bullets to another player, Forbes reported.[/quote]
You could make any number of nutty scenarios.
A player in garrysmod could attach a trail tool to their airboat with thrusters and hover balls and use it to write a dissapearing message in the sky.
A player in garrysmod could pose naked blood covered bodies in the shapes of letters and use them to write a macabre message in an abandoned shack.
A player in minecraft could use a tnt cannon to write a message, in craters, on a wall.
A player in runescape could drop items on the map to create a message, written in red dots, in the radar.
Ban the everything
Seems very strange international security crackers would announce that they're having difficulty cracking something, suggesting terrorists use it for communication. Looks really honeypot.
"gee everyone, we cant see shit when you use a ps4..."
[QUOTE=damnatus;49126616]holy shit hahahaha[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Sokrates;49126648]That's actually a pretty clever way of sharing information securely. I would have never thought of that.[/QUOTE]
They chose some silly examples, but using games for communication is actually a very secure way to transmit messages since it allows multiple covert channels to be composited, rendering them extraordinarily difficult to analyze individually. You won't detect a message through encoded in bullet decals by mere packet analysis. It's an extremely under-researched security issue.
[url=http://worldcomp-proceedings.com/proc/p2013/SAM2108.pdf]Here's a paper[/url] about using cargo containers in EVE Online to pass ASCII messages. Good luck intercepting that if you're the counterintelligence wonk or police officer assigned to surveillance of the participants.
[QUOTE=catbarf;49126812]They chose some silly examples, but using games for communication is actually a very secure way to transmit messages since it allows multiple covert channels to be composited, rendering them extraordinarily difficult to analyze individually. You won't detect a message through encoded in bullet decals by mere packet analysis. It's an extremely under-researched security issue.
[url=http://worldcomp-proceedings.com/proc/p2013/SAM2108.pdf]Here's a paper[/url] about using cargo containers in EVE Online to pass ASCII messages. Good luck intercepting that if you're the counterintelligence wonk or police officer assigned to surveillance of the participants.[/QUOTE]
Best bet would be some kind of client side surveillance to try and recognise readable patterns on the players screen space. That would get shot down as spyware or be criticised for causing unnecessary performance impact. Maybe have it so it sends the occasional screenshot to some server which monitors them. Cool stuff.
This can't be real right? I mean ISIS would have to drop fat stacks of cash for gaming systems, computers, and other devices as well (possibly) games themselves just to have the ability for safe communication outside of Iraq and Syrian areas if they have other members around the world or are sending people to other areas. For this method of communication to be successfully executed IS would have to drop money they probably need for bases, recruitment, guns, supplies, technology, etc just to acquire gaming systems and give them to designated members and when others are recruited they need to buy more for their new method of discreet communication making them lose more money.
It just doesn't make sense to me why the would something like this.
[QUOTE=WitlessTanuki;49126891]This can't be real right? I mean ISIS would have to drop fat stacks of cash for gaming systems, computers, and other devices as well (possibly) games themselves just to have the ability for safe communication outside of Iraq and Syrian areas if they have other members around the world or are sending people to other areas. For this method of communication to be successfully executed IS would have to drop money they probably need for bases, recruitment, guns, supplies, technology, etc just to acquire gaming systems and give them to designated members and when others are recruited they need to buy more for their new method of discreet communication making them lose more money.
It just doesn't make sense to me why the would something like this.[/QUOTE]
They're not strapped for cash. + new gaming consoles would help morale. Some militants have said "its like playing cod" so we know at least some of them are gamers.
I didn't know Super Mario Maker was available for the PS4 :v:
That said, i don't think these groups use on-line tools to communicate openly about these things.
If they do, it's probably coded akin to the Navajo code.
Oh, Sony explain why the PS4 bombed on launch.
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;49126894]They're not strapped for cash. + new gaming consoles would help morale. Some militants have said "its like playing cod" so we know at least some of them are gamers.[/QUOTE]
I never really did a lot of research on ISIS or a lot of terrorist organizations to be honest, but how are they not held down by finances? I thought terrorist organizations have an artery that needs money pumping through to keep their groups alive.
Also, new gaming console= morale. What?
[QUOTE=WitlessTanuki;49126935]I never really did a lot of research on ISIS or a lot of terrorist organizations to be honest, but how are they not held down by finances? I thought terrorist organizations have an artery that needs money pumping through to keep their groups alive.
Also, new gaming console= morale. What?[/QUOTE]
ISIS is the richest terror group in the world. they stole loads of Iraqi money and own a buncha oil fields selling oil to the syrian regime (yeah its a mess there).
Gaming will help the fighters wind down and relax. those who come from the west are westernised, as I said above some are gamers comparing the conflict to cod. Our own armies play games while they're in base so its not that odd for militants to do the same. Helping people relax = good for morale. Doesn't seem that unbelievable to me.
[QUOTE=WitlessTanuki;49126935]I never really did a lot of research on ISIS or a lot of terrorist organizations to be honest, but how are they not held down by finances? I thought terrorist organizations have an artery that needs money pumping through to keep their groups alive.[/QUOTE]
They've looted a seriously huge amount of stuff, ranging from land to vechicles to valuables and lots of other shit. They would rob a bank by fucking invading the area its located in. They also have a fuck load of oil. For a state, they are extremely wealthy.
[QUOTE=WitlessTanuki;49126935]Also, new gaming console= morale. What?[/QUOTE]
All work no play makes Jack a dull insurgent.
[QUOTE=Sokrates;49126648]That's actually a pretty clever way of sharing information securely. I would have never thought of that.[/QUOTE]
Just use voip
Four Lions taught me that terrorists communicate using Club Penguin.
Four Lions is never irrelevant.
I can't get over the fact that IBT said "A member of the Islamic State group, also known as ISIS or ISIL, could convey an attack plan in [B]Super Mario Maker[/B]’s coins and share it privately with [B]another PS4 user[/B]"
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