UKIP hopes to gain their first MP as polls close in Clacton by-election
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[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29549414[/url]
[quote]Polls have closed for by-elections in Essex and Greater Manchester, which will be seen as key tests of public opinion ahead of the general election.
In Clacton, the UK Independence Party is hoping the former Conservative Douglas Carswell will be voted back in, as the first MP elected for UKIP.
The Eurosceptic party also hopes for gains in Heywood and Middleton to show it can challenge Labour in the North.
The results are expected in the early hours of Friday morning.
Mr Carswell, a Conservative MP since 2005, defected to UKIP in August, saying he did not believe Prime Minister David Cameron was "serious about the change we need" in Europe. He also resigned as an MP - triggering the by-election.
UKIP leader Nigel Farage is hoping the surprise defection will deliver his party an historic first Westminster victory - although the former Conservative MP Bob Spink briefly represented the party in 2008 before standing as an independent in 2010.[/quote]
As much as I detest UKIP, this will certainly be interesting.
[QUOTE] saying he did not believe Prime Minister David Cameron was "serious about the change we need" in Europe.[/QUOTE]
Whether he's serious or not is irrelevant, if you want to leave the EU, David Cameron is the only person who can give you an opportunity to make that happen.
[QUOTE=The mouse;46194893]Whether he's serious or not is irrelevant, if you want to leave the EU, David Cameron is the only person who can give you an opportunity to make that happen.[/QUOTE]
He's had his chances.
imagine wanting to leave the EU
[QUOTE=The mouse;46194893]Whether he's serious or not is irrelevant, if you want to leave the EU, David Cameron is the only person who can give you an opportunity to make that happen.[/QUOTE]
But he's a knob.
[QUOTE=lazyguy;46195033]He's had his chances.[/QUOTE]
He hasn't really. UKIP has quite successfully spread/capitalised on the myth that he's broken previous promises to hold an EU referendum. The truth is that the 2017 pledge is the first time he's committed to holding an in-out referendum - in 2009 he did promise to hold a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty, but then it got ratified before he was elected, so he instead promised to hold a referendum on any further transfer of powers. His government then delivered on this promise by [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_Act_2011]enshrining that principle in law[/url].
It doesn't even matter who wins because they're all shit.
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[QUOTE=BrainDeath;46195055]imagine wanting to leave the EU[/QUOTE]
There are arguments for why leaving the EU could be justified, such as how it tends to force a neoliberal agenda on countries, but they're not really the reasons UKIP are opposing it for.
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There are arguments for why leaving the EU could be justified, such as how it tends to force a neoliberal agenda on countries, but they're not really the reasons UKIP are opposing it for.[/QUOTE]
I think that's exactly why I personally detest them, now you mention it. It's not their opinion on the EU, but they run a campaign of fear and have absolutely no interest in actually teaching people why this/that is bad - atleast not to any degree that it's talked about in the general public.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;46195175]It doesn't even matter who wins because they're all shit.
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Democracy has become Mass Effect endings. Choose your colour of explosion.
Labour? Conservatives? Lib Dems? Ukip? Voting for anybody else is futile. Everybody is the same.
Our entire power structure and politics needs a dramatic restyle. Posh old men and snobby young men in suits aren't representative of the country. Nigel Farage is only popular because he seems like a functioning human being who's passionate about his cause. He taps into the nation's fears, extrapolates them, and then paints himself as a white knight. It's a shame he spouts such bollocks.
We're left with a painted lizard man trying to blend in with our species leading our country. Parliament is now archaic and bollocks
[QUOTE=Dan2593;46195267]Democracy has become Mass Effect endings. Choose your colour of explosion.
Labour? Conservatives? Lib Dems? Ukip? Voting for anybody else is futile. Everybody is the same.
Our entire power structure and politics needs a dramatic restyle. Posh old men and snobby young men in suits aren't representative of the country. Nigel Farage is only popular because he seems like a functioning human being who's passionate about his cause. He taps into the nation's fears, extrapolates them, and then paints himself as a white knight. It's a shame he spouts such bollocks.
We're left with a painted lizard man trying to blend in with our species leading our country. Parliament is now archaic and bollocks[/QUOTE]
It's our shitty fptp voting system, if we had PR it might actually be worth voting, but at the moment you're just getting different shades of tories.
For example there is no point in me voting in the next general election, because no matter who I vote for I'll probably end up with Angela Eagle regardless and my vote will go in the bin anyway.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;46195436]It's our shitty fptp voting system, if we had PR it might actually be worth voting, but at the moment you're just getting different shades of tories.
For example there is no point in me voting in the next general election, because no matter who I vote for I'll probably end up with Angela Eagle regardless and my vote will go in the bin anyway.[/QUOTE]
FPTP is seriously frustrating
[QUOTE=Duskin;46195061]But he's a knob.[/QUOTE]
Less of a nob than miliband.
[editline]10th October 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Dan2593;46195267]Democracy has become Mass Effect endings. Choose your colour of explosion.
Labour? Conservatives? Lib Dems? Ukip? Voting for anybody else is futile. Everybody is the same.
Our entire power structure and politics needs a dramatic restyle. Posh old men and snobby young men in suits aren't representative of the country. Nigel Farage is only popular because he seems like a functioning human being who's passionate about his cause. He taps into the nation's fears, extrapolates them, and then paints himself as a white knight. It's a shame he spouts such bollocks.
We're left with a painted lizard man trying to blend in with our species leading our country. Parliament is now archaic and bollocks[/QUOTE]
Give Nigel a Farage a chance with ukip then we shall see if you were right or wrong. Can't be any worse than continuing this facade of bullshit with tory-libdem-shite-labour
Well labour has won the first one apparently.
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And UKIP now has their first MP
[QUOTE=Jamsponge;46194788]As much as I detest UKIP, this will certainly be interesting.[/QUOTE]
I certainly don't agree with them, but I'd like to see them brought to the table in an official capacity.
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Give Nigel a Farage a chance with ukip then we shall see if you were right or wrong. Can't be any worse than continuing this facade of bullshit with tory-libdem-shite-labour[/QUOTE]
The problem with Ukip is that they act like a Cult. Their members worship Nigel Farage as some sort of working class messiah despite the fact that he spent most of his life working in the city. From what I've seen their members will literally deny anything and everything negative about their party and just ignore it on the grounds that it's establishment propaganda. The party leadership might claim not to be racist but a hell of a lot of their voters sure are if you look where Ukip's vote comes from, it mostly comes from areas where there are no immigrants and elderly people, it then must follow that these people blame their problems on immigrants because it's a convenient excuse and it's no coincidence that since the rise of Ukip BNP vote has fallen significantly.
Ukip can't claim to be an Anti-Politics party and then try to become more professional politicians, and at the moment it's trying to be both, they can't say all this anti-establishment rhetoric and claim not to be a protest vote because being against the establishment by implication makes you a protest vote.
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