CBO: Number of uninsured will grow by 14 million under GOP bill
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The Congressional Budget Office on Monday projected that the number of uninsured people would grow by 14 million in 2018 under the Republican ObamaCare replacement bill, with that number rising to 24 million by 2026.
The long-awaited analysis from the nonpartisan congressional scorekeeper is likely to shake up the debate in Congress over the measure. The estimate of the drop in coverage is even larger than many analysts had predicted.
The report finds that the 24 million people would become uninsured by 2026 largely due to changes in Medicaid. The bill both ends the extra federal funds for the expansion of Medicaid and caps overall federal spending on Medicaid, both of which CBO says would lead to people losing coverage.
The GOP bill repeals ObamaCare’s subsidies to buy coverage, replacing them with smaller tax credits, as well as the law’s Medicaid expansion after 2019.
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[url="http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/323652-cbo-millions-would-lose-coverage-under-gop-healthcare-plan"]The Hill[/url]
All the GOP cares about is money and killing the poor.
Trump budget director: What people want is to get care, not insurance coverage :thinking:
Republicans: fucking over the less fortunate since the very beginning
Man trumpcare sounds like a bad idea
can't have poor people if they're dead :)
From Politico
[quote]Moderate Republicans worried about precisely the kind of coverage losses the CBO predicted have balked at supporting the House bill. GOP leadership also caught flak from conservatives who criticize the bill as “Obamacare lite” because of the new age-adjusted tax credits it proposes. And some Republican governors who expanded their Medicaid programs under Obamacare have publicly fretted about whether they will have to drop low-income people from the rolls to avoid bankrupting their states.[/quote]
Just get some single fucking payer system in place holy fuck America.
In the last tax year, where £15k of my income was actually accounted for, I paid £1,094 (rounded up) in total towards my National Insurance, with my employer paying another £1,254 (also rounded up). If [url=https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=6&ved=0ahUKEwikpPvRrNTSAhWLCsAKHUK-C4gQFgg2MAU&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cms.gov%2Fresearch-statistics-data-and-systems%2Fstatistics-trends-and-reports%2Fnationalhealthexpenddata%2Fdownloads%2Fhighlights.pdf&usg=AFQjCNGRQGQ9rdSX_fKEDDJfHLVyr2vBSg&cad=rja]this[/url] is correct, the average American spent $9,990 on healthcare in 2015, which is £8174 (rounded up). A ~640% higher cost than I paid for [B]more[/B] access to unconditional care (I'm not factoring in my employers contribution here because it doesn't impact me income wise).
Stop fucking about and just do it already. Dissolve the Republican party entirely if you fucking have to, they only seem to be holding you back anyway.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;51955052]Just get some single fucking payer system in place holy fuck America.
In the last tax year, where £15k of my income was actually accounted for, I paid £1,094 (rounded up) in total towards my National Insurance, with my employer paying another £1,254 (also rounded up). If [url=https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=6&ved=0ahUKEwikpPvRrNTSAhWLCsAKHUK-C4gQFgg2MAU&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cms.gov%2Fresearch-statistics-data-and-systems%2Fstatistics-trends-and-reports%2Fnationalhealthexpenddata%2Fdownloads%2Fhighlights.pdf&usg=AFQjCNGRQGQ9rdSX_fKEDDJfHLVyr2vBSg&cad=rja]this[/url] is correct, the average American spent $9,990 on healthcare in 2015, which is £8174 (rounded up). A ~640% higher cost than I paid for [B]more[/B] access to unconditional care (I'm not factoring in my employers contribution here because it doesn't impact me income wise).
Stop fucking about and just do it already. Dissolve the Republican party entirely if you fucking have to, they only seem to be holding you back anyway.[/QUOTE]
Sry that's socialist. Can't have that.
Trump voters: "im gonna be fine. trump is on my side, those damned mexicans are gonna lose their insurance, not me. MAGA"
*loses insurance*
[QUOTE=Llamaguy;51955062]Sry that's socialist. Can't have that.[/QUOTE]
Better red than dead fuckers.
[QUOTE=GalacticPunt;51955072]Trump voters: "im gonna be fine. trump is on my side, those damned mexicans are gonna lose their insurance, not me. MAGA"
*loses insurance*[/QUOTE]
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OMG ryan is saying these numbers are encouraging, what the actual fuck.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;51955188]Better red than dead fuckers.[/QUOTE]
The only good communist is a dead communist!
[QUOTE=Lambeth;51955020]Man trumpcare sounds like a bad idea[/QUOTE]
It's RepublicanCare. Trump doesn't even want his name on it it's so bad
To clarify: a large portion of that 14 million are the people who were forced to buy insurance by Obamacare, but didn't want it in the first place.
I would be more interested in the number of people who currently have insurance, but would lose it because of an inability to pay for it under the new plan.
[QUOTE=sgman91;51956142]To clarify: a large portion of that 14 million are the people who were forced to buy insurance by Obamacare, but didn't want it in the first place.
I would be more interested in the number of people who currently have insurance, but would lose it because of an inability to pay for it under the new plan.[/QUOTE]
I'm going to need a source on that claim. After all, didn't Obamacare fail in the eyes of conservatives because it didn't actually get many of the uninsured to sign up?
[QUOTE=TornadoAP;51956158]I'm going to need a source on that claim. After all, didn't Obamacare fail in the eyes of conservatives because it didn't actually get many of the uninsured to sign up?[/QUOTE]
Directly from the CBO:
"CBO and JCT estimate that, in 2018, 14 million more people would be uninsured under the legislation than under current law. [B]Most of that increase would stem from repealing the penalties associated with the individual mandate.[/B]" ([url]https://www.cbo.gov/publication/52486[/url])
Imagine how great America would be if it took care of it's people. Up here, I can walk into a doctors office any time I want and it's all covered via my tax dollars.
[QUOTE=sgman91;51956183]Directly from the CBO:
"CBO and JCT estimate that, in 2018, 14 million more people would be uninsured under the legislation than under current law. [B]Most of that increase would stem from repealing the penalties associated with the individual mandate.[/B]" ([url]https://www.cbo.gov/publication/52486[/url])[/QUOTE]
Politico says the largest share of the uninsured would be coming from the cuts to Medicare and Medicaid
Most of these people didn't even get healthcare through the ACA marketplace anyway, they just fall under the Medicaid expansion. The article makes note of this fact. It's going to be impossible to keep everyone's coverage with the Republican plan no matter what you do, we should just face the fact that some of these folks just won't get health insurance at all without direct government assistance.
[QUOTE=Chonch;51956879]Most of these people didn't even get healthcare through the ACA marketplace anyway, they just fall under the Medicaid expansion. The article makes note of this fact. It's going to be impossible to keep everyone's coverage with the Republican plan no matter what you do, we should just face the fact that some of these folks just won't get health insurance at all without direct government assistance.[/QUOTE]
Trump said he would cover everyone though.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;51955052]Just get some single fucking payer system in place holy fuck America.
In the last tax year, where £15k of my income was actually accounted for, I paid £1,094 (rounded up) in total towards my National Insurance, with my employer paying another £1,254 (also rounded up). If [url=https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=6&ved=0ahUKEwikpPvRrNTSAhWLCsAKHUK-C4gQFgg2MAU&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cms.gov%2Fresearch-statistics-data-and-systems%2Fstatistics-trends-and-reports%2Fnationalhealthexpenddata%2Fdownloads%2Fhighlights.pdf&usg=AFQjCNGRQGQ9rdSX_fKEDDJfHLVyr2vBSg&cad=rja]this[/url] is correct, the average American spent $9,990 on healthcare in 2015, which is £8174 (rounded up). A ~640% higher cost than I paid for [B]more[/B] access to unconditional care (I'm not factoring in my employers contribution here because it doesn't impact me income wise).
Stop fucking about and just do it already. Dissolve the Republican party entirely if you fucking have to, they only seem to be holding you back anyway.[/QUOTE]
No, we like paying 50% more (on average) for less coverage.
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10% can't bother with it, anyway.
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Sources:
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_health_expenditure_per_capita[/url]
[url]https://www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/library/publications/2016/demo/p60-257.pdf[/url]
we need one more american revolution.
[QUOTE=sgman91;51956183]Directly from the CBO:
"CBO and JCT estimate that, in 2018, 14 million more people would be uninsured under the legislation than under current law. [B]Most of that increase would stem from repealing the penalties associated with the individual mandate.[/B]" ([url]https://www.cbo.gov/publication/52486[/url])[/QUOTE]
The full quote:
"CBO and JCT estimate that, in 2018, 14 million more people would be uninsured under the
legislation than under current law. Most of that increase would stem from repealing the
penalties associated with the individual mandate. Some of those people would choose not
to have insurance because they chose to be covered by insurance under current law only to
avoid paying the penalties, and some people would forgo insurance in response to higher
premiums."
Its a chicken egg problem. Uninsured people who wanted insurance couldn't afford it because premiums for them were high. Uninsured people who didn't want it were made to buy it which made it affordable for uninsured people who wanted insurance to buy it.
[QUOTE=Flameon;51958408]The full quote:
"CBO and JCT estimate that, in 2018, 14 million more people would be uninsured under the
legislation than under current law. Most of that increase would stem from repealing the
penalties associated with the individual mandate. Some of those people would choose not
to have insurance because they chose to be covered by insurance under current law only to
avoid paying the penalties, and some people would forgo insurance in response to higher
premiums."
Its a chicken egg problem. Uninsured people who wanted insurance couldn't afford it because premiums for them were high. Uninsured people who didn't want it were made to buy it which made it affordable for uninsured people who wanted insurance to buy it.[/QUOTE]
And now instead of 18 million uninsured people who may or may not have wanted it but would be real fuckin glad they had it if something happened to them, we have 18 million uninsured who may or may not have wanted it, and are gonna be real fuckin mad if they ever get sick.
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