• Man speeds across intersection, through parking lot, and crashes right into an UltraCuts and kills
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This is all over my local news, so I figured I would post it here, additionally because I know the victim and her family. [QUOTE]As a family mourns the death of a young mother, police are still trying to determine why a driver lost control of his SUV, sped through a busy intersection and crashed into a hair salon Saturday. Kendall Wiebe, 27, was taken off life-support Tuesday, three days after a 2012 Jeep Liberty plowed into the salon, which is part of the Crestview Shopping Centre at Portage Avenue and Cavalier Drive. Police have not determined what caused the crash. Their investigation is continuing and charges could be pending against the 32-year-old male driver of the Jeep. Drugs and alcohol are not considered factors in the crash. "I think this is not something that we typically see, especially with the speed and the damage that was caused," said Winnipeg Police Service spokeswoman Const. Natalie Aitken. She said the SUV didn't appear to hit anything as it sped through the strip mall's parking lot north of Portage Avenue. "Right now, anything to do with that vehicle or how it was travelling prior to it coming to rest at that business is something that we would be looking at," said Aitken. "So certainly, any mechanical evidence that we can gain from that vehicle is ongoing and that will take quite some time to progress through." On Tuesday, Wiebe's family released a statement to Global News acknowledging her death with "extreme sadness of heart." "We are encouraged by the prayer support we are receiving from our immediate families, friends, extended communities and general public," wrote the Wiebe and Cancilla families. "We are further encouraged by the ongoing investigation by the Winnipeg Police Service team to find the true cause for this senseless incident, in the hope that other families might not have to experience such a tragic loss." The family also thanked police, emergency crews, hospital staff and witnesses, especially the witness who immediately called 911. The family said Wiebe's organs and tissues had been made available for donation. Wiebe leaves behind a daughter, as well as a partner and his children. "She was a wonderful mother, very outgoing, genuinely kind," said a relative of Wiebe's, who did not want her name used. She said Wiebe worked as a hairstylist for more than five years and was the mother to a four-year-old daughter, Brynn. The family, which has roots in Rosenfeld, a small community about 100 kilometres south of Winnipeg, is reeling from the death. A trust fund has been set up for Wiebe's children -- Brynn, Bryce, 9, and Meagan, 13 -- at Assiniboine Credit Union under the Kendall Wiebe/Cancilla Memorial Fund. People can donate at any of ACU's 25 branches. Some have speculated the SUV accelerated uncontrollably, but a CAA Manitoba official said such an event is extremely rare. Tom Mark, CAA Manitoba's vice-president of automotive services, said aside from a well-publicized issue associated with Toyota a few years ago, it doesn't happen. "An uncontrolled acceleration is very uncommon," Mark said. "After the problem with Toyota, I'm just not aware of any other incident and I don't believe there was a definitive explanation for what happened to the Toyota vehicles." There have been reports of floor mats in a variety of makes of automobiles sliding up and under the gas pedal and causing the gas pedal to stick. However, there have been no recalls of Jeep Liberty vehicles that involved sudden and uncontrolled acceleration. Transport Canada has reported recalls of the Jeep Liberty that involved a variety of other problems: Some of the 2010 and 2007 models were recalled because of the potential for braking issues that could lead to accidents; and some 2002/03 models were recalled because of the potential for a loss of steering control that could lead to accidents. Investigators may have other avenues to pursue to find an explanation for the crash. According to an online version of the 2012 Jeep Liberty manual, the vehicle has an event data recorder that records how far a brake or accelerator was pressed down and how fast the vehicle was going. Event data recorders collect the information when crashes or near-crashes happen. Mark said if drivers find themselves in a vehicle that is accelerating uncontrollably, they should act quickly to regain control. "If your engine is racing, the wheels are driving, you want to take that driving force away," Mark said. "The best way to do that is to place your vehicle in neutral, regain control and bring it to a stop." Mark said placing a vehicle in neutral is the quickest and best way to deal with a vehicle undergoing an uncontrolled acceleration. With the vehicle in neutral, the wheels are no longer driving the vehicle forward. One of the worst things to do is to turn the engine off, which runs the risk of shutting down the vehicle's steering or braking capabilities, he added. The vehicle's engine could over-rev once placed in neutral and be damaged, he said, but that's a better alternative to losing control and causing a serious crash. People in the strip mall Tuesday afternoon were still cleaning up from the aftermath of Saturday's crash -- with workers bustling about inside the Ultracuts salon and an insurance business next door. Huge pieces of a wall that normally separated the salon and the insurance business were missing. [/QUOTE] Source: [URL]http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/local/hairstylist-succumbs-to-her-injuries-146946325.html[/URL] Here's a TL;DR of sorts. If you see info in this that isn't in the quote, it's because it was on other articles, but there to many to post. Basically a guy drove across a busy intersection, through a large parking lot and crashes into an Ultracuts. The driver claimed both his accelerator and brake peddle were jammed, but so far investigators couldn't find anything of the sorts wrong with the vehicle. The crash occurred April 7th, the day before Easter, just about 15 minutes before employees would have started to leave work. The driver wasn't injured at all in the crash, but ran over an employee and hit and pinned another one down, Kendal Wiebe, in such a way that she was unable to breath and suffocated to death. It took paramedics an hour to get her breathing, but they eventually brought her back, but since it was an hour after the fact she was completely brain dead with no chance of recovery. At that point she basically was dead with not a single thing being read on the EEG (no brain activity). Her families decided to donate her organs, and after testing her, found out that they could use virtually her whole body. From her donations, she donated in total 18 different parts of her body. Almost a week in, and no charges have been placed yet on the driver because the authorities don't know what fits yet as they are still figuring out all of the details. So far her families kids have had a trust fund put up for them by one of the local banks in which members of the public can donate into, which is good because they have a pretty large family. Rather depressing. They were all in the wrong place at the wrong time and had no idea it was coming and could do nothing about it.
That's so fucking depressing, though this loss of life will not be forgotten. She will live on though possibility 18 people, people who's lives where saved because of her organs.
[QUOTE=MR-X;35542528]That's so fucking depressing, though this loss of life will not be forgotten. She will live on though possibility 18 people, people who's lives where saved because of her organs.[/QUOTE] Reminds me of that book Unwind
Man that sucks. I mean, if your accelerator and brake pedal is jammed, surely there's somewhere else you can hit, maybe somewhere that didn't have people. Heck if he drove through the intersection and parking lot chances are he had more than enough time to at least try to get the car into a wall or something.
Another dick in a SUV? FFS PEOPLE...
[quote]One of the worst things to do is to turn the engine off, which runs the risk of shutting down the vehicle's steering or braking capabilities[/quote] This part is a bit concerning. The constant computerization and addition of extra features to make cars safer instead of drivers (if it does it for me, why should I worry/care?) is troubling. Well, that and I haven't a clue what's under the hood anymore.
Terrible deaths really grind my gears.
[QUOTE=Rand0mNumber;35544240]This part is a bit concerning. The constant computerization and addition of extra features to make cars safer instead of drivers (if it does it for me, why should I worry/care?) is troubling. Well, that and I haven't a clue what's under the hood anymore.[/QUOTE] Vacuum power has nothing to do with computers, it's been like this since it was introduced
[QUOTE=Rand0mNumber;35544240]This part is a bit concerning. The constant computerization and addition of extra features to make cars safer instead of drivers (if it does it for me, why should I worry/care?) is troubling. Well, that and I haven't a clue what's under the hood anymore.[/QUOTE] Uhh There's something called "power brakes" and also "power steering". Both sap a tiny bit of power from your engine, and in return make braking and steering easy. They've been around far longer than computers. Shut off the engine, lose power, you can still steer and brake but it's hard as hell.
I'm just going to copy an earlier post of mine about a dumbass who killed someone with his car: [QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;35528596] Fuck this guy. Fuck him for everything he's got.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Karmah;35542193]Almost a week in, and no charges have been placed yet on the driver because the authorities don't know what fits yet as they are still figuring out all of the details.[/QUOTE] Manslaughter, reckless driving, anything I'm missing?
Newer cars have steering wheel lock when you turn them off. Unless you want to fuck up your steering wheel, I suggest you don't do that. I tried to force it once it my mom's volkswagen and the car refused to start for the next day, saying the steering shaft was bent.
You could also put it in reverse, which will also mess up your vehicle. But I look at it this way, if you are out of control and accelerating, your vehicle is going to end up severely damaged anyways. Why not do it in a way that at least minimizes your chances of hurting someone?
[QUOTE=RainbowPillows;35542613]Man that sucks. I mean, if your accelerator and brake pedal is jammed, surely there's somewhere else you can hit, maybe somewhere that didn't have people. Heck if he drove through the intersection and parking lot chances are he had more than enough time to at least try to get the car into a wall or something.[/QUOTE] 1: Tug it into neutral. Engine can no longer pull the car, control of the car regained. 2: Turn the key to "Off". The steering will NOT lock in 'off', the steering wheel lock is only activated when you turn the key to the point it will come out. A runaway car is not hard to regain control of. Even if the brakes were jammed, which I doubt, there's no reason it should have run away out of control like that. [QUOTE=Usernameztaken;35544796]Newer cars have steering wheel lock when you turn them off. Unless you want to fuck up your steering wheel, I suggest you don't do that. I tried to force it once it my mom's volkswagen and the car refused to start for the next day, saying the steering shaft was bent.[/QUOTE] It won't lock in 'off'. You have to turn the key beyond 'off' to the point it will release the key in order to activate the steering lock. I've had a runaway engine before and regained control of it in this manner.
[QUOTE=Elecbullet;35544741]There's something called "power brakes" and also "power steering". Both sap a tiny bit of power from your engine, and in return make braking and steering easy. They've been around far longer than computers. Shut off the engine, lose power, you can still steer and brake but it's hard as hell.[/QUOTE] That's right. And even after you shut off the engine the vacuum persists for a short while. You'll have plenty of power left to hold down the brakes and steer yourself out of trouble. [QUOTE=cecilbdemodded;35545067]You could also put it in reverse, which will also mess up your vehicle. But I look at it this way, if you are out of control and accelerating, your vehicle is going to end up severely damaged anyways. Why not do it in a way that at least minimizes your chances of hurting someone?[/QUOTE] You can't put a transmission in reverse while the vehicle is moving forward. The best thing to do is put it in neutral, so that if your throttle really is jammed, the worst you'll do is redline until you turn it off.
why didnt he just push the clutch in
[QUOTE=Road Safari;35548774]why didnt he just push the clutch in[/QUOTE] automatics enough said
[QUOTE=Road Safari;35548774]why didnt he just push the clutch in[/QUOTE] Because it didn't have one. SUVs aren't sold with manuals anymore, which is annoying as hell for the few of us who insist on them. Popping an auto into neutral is piss easy though, and does the same thing. [QUOTE=Elecbullet;35544741] Shut off the engine, lose power, you can still steer and brake but it's hard as hell.[/QUOTE] And if you're too weak to steer your car after it has lost power assists you're too weak to be driving. Engines die all the time, being able to safely steer and stop a vehicle after the engine has died is a vital skill every driver should have.
[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;35544779]I'm just going to copy an earlier post of mine about a dumbass who killed someone with his car: Manslaughter, reckless driving, anything I'm missing?[/QUOTE] You missed the entire article I'm afraid.
damnit winnipeg. also oh wow, I used to get my hair cut there. weird.
I think I know her, we're good friends rest in peace :(
There was so many things he could have done, but didn't do.
I literally got my hair cut there a week ago. Jesus.
How do both pedals that use entirely seperate mechanisms both stop working at the same time? Does a Liberty have some magical drive by wire crap?
I bet he gets out and says "Nailed it."
[QUOTE=Jacknife;35566480]I bet he gets out and says "Nailed it."[/QUOTE] Leave.
fucking really? this guy should be charged for murder, there's no fucking way that was his only option.
Her organs were donated, 18 of them! Somehow, there was a happy ending. One woman dies, 18 live. It's still pretty sad, but imagine, 18 people who will be able to walk, talk, and live just as she did before she died. Truly a remarkable phenomenon that could have only happened with modern science
[QUOTE=Elecbullet;35544741]Uhh There's something called "power brakes" and also "power steering". Both sap a tiny bit of power from your engine, and in return make braking and steering easy. They've been around far longer than computers. Shut off the engine, lose power, you can still steer and brake but it's hard as hell.[/QUOTE] I was traveling down the interstate once moving a good... 80 MPH, and then the engine just... quit. And yeah, you can steer, but you have to practically lay on one side of the steering wheel and push your foot through the damn floor just to brake. It was rather terrifying really.
[QUOTE=Jacknife;35566480]I bet he gets out and says "Nailed it."[/QUOTE] no
[QUOTE=_Twitch_;35547873]You can't put a transmission in reverse while the vehicle is moving forward. The best thing to do is put it in neutral, so that if your throttle really is jammed, the worst you'll do is redline until you turn it off.[/QUOTE]Uh, yes you can. You can put it in any gear at any time, but putting it in reverse will either make gears grind (you're effectively in neutral at that point anyway) or if it does catch, cause the tires to lose all traction because they're spinning super fast in the opposite direction. You're right, though, putting it in neutral would be best. From there, I'd turn the ignition switch far enough to turn off the engine, but not far enough to release the key. That way you save the engine, the car can still be controlled (because the key release also initiates the steering lock) and you can use the horn to warn people the fuck out of the way.[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;35571382]I was traveling down the interstate once moving a good... 80 MPH, and then the engine just... quit. And yeah, you can steer, but you have to practically lay on one side of the steering wheel and push your foot through the damn floor just to brake. It was rather terrifying really.[/QUOTE]The faster a vehicle is moving, the easier it is to steer. Brakes should work all the time no matter what. Power steering became a thing around the time people realized trying to steer the tires on a parked car is really fucking hard. If you're going 80 and you need to really crank on the steering wheel then there is something dreadfully wrong. Power brakes are retarded, I disable them because they piss me off. I like to feel the brake pressure.
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