• GOD DAMN IT: Arizona Cops Can Still Check for Papers, Supreme Court Says
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Source: [url]http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9228486/Supreme_Court_papers_please_ruling_hits_Arizona_H_1B_workers[/url] Summary from Slashdot: [quote]"In the wake of the U.S. Supreme Court ruling Monday on Arizona's immigration enforcement law, H-1B workers are being advised to keep their papers on them. About half of all H-1B visa holders are employed in tech occupations. The court struck down several parts of Arizona's law but nonetheless left in place a core provision allowing police officers to check the immigration status of people in the state at specific times. How complicated this gets may depend on the training of the police officer, his or her knowledge of work visas, and whether an H-1B worker in the state has an Arizona's driver's license. An Arizona state driver's license provides the presumption of legal residency. Nonetheless, H-1B workers could become entangled in this law and suffer delays and even detention while local police, especially those officers and departments unfamiliar with immigration documentation."[/quote]
"at specific times" I would like to know which specific times. If it's during a possible dui stop or a road check, then I'm alrigh t with this, but if it's during any reason at all, then there's a problem.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;36493720]"at specific times" I would like to know which specific times. If it's during a possible dui stop or a road check, then I'm alrigh t with this, but if it's during any reason at all, then there's a problem.[/QUOTE] They had a local meeting around Phoenix regarding this. The person on the Q&A mentioned when, "Reasonable suspicion" is raised. He however explained "Reasonable suspicion", is at the officer's discretion.
[QUOTE=Combin0wnage;36493772]They had a local meeting around Phoenix regarding this. The person on the Q&A mentioned when, "Reasonable suspicion" is raised. He however explained "Reasonable suspicion", is at the officer's discretion.[/QUOTE] Well then, I have a problem with this.
There have been several reports from the state and Joe Arpaio himself, that the state will focus more on deporting, "Dangerous" immigrants rather than those who just come over for a better living opportunity. But it hasn't even been a day yet, and it's Arpaio.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;36493784]Well then, I have a problem with this.[/QUOTE] It's better than having the department mandate checks through policies.
[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;36494015]It's better than having the department mandate checks through policies.[/QUOTE] I don't feel this is something we should simply settle with the lesser of two evils with.
[QUOTE=Combin0wnage;36493801]There have been several reports from the state and Joe Arpaio himself, that the state will focus more on deporting, "Dangerous" immigrants rather than those who just come over for a better living opportunity. But it hasn't even been a day yet, and it's Arpaio.[/QUOTE] Forgive my ignorance but what is it about Arpaio that makes this different?
Why don't they just make it so that they check the papers of every single person that gets pulled over for another reason, regardless of color? Gets the job done and only sensationalist kneejerkers will still complain.
[QUOTE=Combin0wnage;36493772]They had a local meeting around Phoenix regarding this. The person on the Q&A mentioned when, "Reasonable suspicion" is raised. He however explained "Reasonable suspicion", is at the officer's discretion.[/QUOTE] I heard on the radio that it was only after an arrest or "detention" Though it was a conservative radio station so they were probably just trying to put a better spin on it.
[QUOTE=cccritical;36497684]Why don't they just make it so that they check the papers of every single person that gets pulled over for another reason, regardless of color? Gets the job done and only sensationalist kneejerkers will still complain.[/QUOTE] I believe this is already the case.
[QUOTE=Timebomb575;36497870]I heard on the radio that it was only after an arrest or "detention" Though it was a conservative radio station so they were probably just trying to put a better spin on it.[/QUOTE] That is what I understood as well, it isn't like they can just come up to you and say "Hey bro, let me see your papers." It is normally after some type of an arrest and the person is being identified. I don't have much experience on the topic though because I don't live in AZ. The only time I encountered a problem like that is when some guy got picked up for Public Intoxication and instead of getting released after being sober he was put in my cell block/housing unit under a ICE/Detention hold so he could be deported for being an undocumented immigrant.
[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;36494073]Forgive my ignorance but what is it about Arpaio that makes this different?[/QUOTE] He has recently placed himself in a kind of political advantage using this bill to gain popularity among the right. He also perpetuated some birther bullshit.
[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;36494073]Forgive my ignorance but what is it about Arpaio that makes this different?[/QUOTE] Sherrif Joe Arpaio's racism, discrimination, and profiling, are infamous in arizona. He and his office's blatant abuse of SB1070 is part of the reason this law is so controversial.
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