• Netanyahu: US must draw a 'red line' with Iran over nuclear weapons
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Netanyahu: US must draw a 'red line' with Iran over nuclear weapons September 16, 2012 XOF [quote]Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu made a direct appeal to American voters on Sunday to elect a president willing to draw a "red line" with Iran, comparing Tehran's nuclear program to Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh and reminding Americans of the devastating repercussions of failed intelligence. His remarks were an impassioned election-season plea from a world leader who insists he doesn't want to insert himself into U.S. politics and hasn't endorsed either candidate. But visibly frustrated by U.S. policy under President Barack Obama, the hawkish Israeli leader took advantage of the week's focus on unrest across the Muslim world and America's time-honored tradition of the Sunday television talk shows to appeal to Americans headed to the polls in less than two months. Tehran claims its nuclear program is peaceful. Netanyahu said the U.S. would be foolish to believe that, using football metaphors and citing example of past terrorist attacks on U.S. soil to appeal to his American audience. "It's like Timothy McVeigh walking into a shop in Oklahoma City and saying, 'I'd like to tend my garden. I'd like to buy some fertilizer ... Come on. We know that they're working on a weapon,'" Netanyahu said. The past week, Netanyahu has called on Obama and other world leaders to state clearly at what point Iran would face a military attack. But Obama and his top aides, who repeatedly say all options remain on the table, have pointed to shared U.S.-Israeli intelligence that suggests Iran hasn't decided yet whether to build a bomb despite pursing the technology and that there would be time for action beyond toughened sanctions already in place. Netanyahu disagrees, estimating that Iran is about six months away from having most of the enriched uranium it needs and warning that letting them reach the "goal line" would have disastrous consequences. Obama's Republican opponent, Mitt Romney, has said he is willing to take a tougher stance than Obama against Iran, although his campaign has declined to provide specifics. He has also aligned himself personally with Netanyahu, casting the Israeli leader as a longtime friend. Meanwhile, Obama is reported to have a strained relationship with Netanyahu, chastising Israel for continuing to build housing settlements in areas disputed with the Palestinians. America's ambassador to the United Nations, Susan Rice, responded Sunday by saying there is "no daylight" between the U.S. and Israel and that Obama "will do what it takes" to prevent Iran from acquiring a nuclear weapon. But, she said, "we are not at that stage yet." "Our bottom line — if you want to call it a red line — the president's bottom line has been that Iran will not acquire a nuclear weapon, and we will take no option off the table to ensure that it does not acquire a nuclear weapon, including military," Rice later said. But Netanyahu has said that's not enough and employed historical examples known to most Americans to make his case: President John F. Kennedy's demand that the Soviets remove its missiles sites in Cuba "maybe purchased decades of peace," Netanyahu said. And absent a similar "red line," then-Iraqi President Saddam Hussein faced a U.S. attack in 1991 after invading Kuwait. "Maybe that war could have been avoided," Netanyahu said. Netanyahu also pointed to America's inability to prevent the 9/11 hijackings as proof that intelligence can fail. He insisted that his motivations were not political but reflected a key sense of urgency. Israeli officials point to Iranian enrichment of uranium, a key ingredient in building a bomb, the movement of Iranian nuclear research facilities to fortified underground bunkers impervious to attack and Iran's refusal to open its facilities to U.N. inspectors. "I think that there's a common interest of all Americans, of all political persuasions, to stop Iran," he said. "This is a regime that is giving vent to the worst impulses that you see right now in the Middle East." Rice said the window to act "is not infinite" but that the sanctions "reached their high point in July." Rice says that for the first time the Iranian economy is shrinking at a rate of negative 1 percent, Iranian oil production has dropped 40 percent over the last several months and their currency has plummeted 40 percent in that time as well. "This pressure, even to use the Iranians own words, is crippling," Rice said, adding "What is clear is that Iran does not have a nuclear weapon." Netanyahu and Rice spoke on CNN's "State of the Union" and NBC's "Meet the Press." Rice also spoke on Fox News Sunday and appeared on CBS' "Face the Nation."[/quote] source: [url]http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/09/16/netanyahu-iran-guided-by-leadership-fanaticism[/url]
Netanyahu ought to shut the fuck up. And the US ought not to get involved with Iran - The only reason they're doing it in the first place is because they fucked up and upset the balance of power by taking out Iraq. [editline]16th September 2012[/editline] See, Iraq and Iran kept each other busy by staying enemies. They devoted so much energy to their arms race that they didn't bother fucking with Israel. Now Iran's got one hell of a military and nobody to squabble with, and they're turning their gaze to Israel - Partly because Israel freaked the fuck out when they realized that Iraq was no longer a major threat to Iran.
Entangling alliances, where did we go wrong
Glad to know where the pressure to confront Iran is coming from. Not that we need to confront them. Fuck them and those lobbying cunts.
If Israel really attacks Iran, I officially declare the State of Israel a lost cause. It's a suicidal state stuck in a strange loop of self-victimization and justification for its shortcoming and outright atrocities so convoluted that no logic can be seen in it. I'm serious. If Israel attacks, it's fucking over. It might take ten-twenty or so years before it really is disbanded, but it would happen.
[QUOTE=archangel125;37695632]Netanyahu ought to shut the fuck up. And the US ought not to get involved with Iran - The only reason they're doing it in the first place is because they fucked up and upset the balance of power by taking out Iraq. [editline]16th September 2012[/editline] See, Iraq and Iran kept each other busy by staying enemies. They devoted so much energy to their arms race that they didn't bother fucking with Israel. Now Iran's got one hell of a military and nobody to squabble with, and they're turning their gaze to Israel - Partly because Israel freaked the fuck out when they realized that Iraq was no longer a major threat to Iran.[/QUOTE] Iran hasn't "turned their gaze" to Israel. Israel has been belligerent for several decades. They, in fact, bombed an Iraqi nuclear reactor without any permission because they thought it could be used for weapons. Iran is in a corner because they have a very belligerent neighbor backed by one of the most powerful nations on Earth. Of course they are going to act with hostility and anger. Hell, they are being sanctioned because of allegations of a nuclear weapons program. Israel already has nuclear weapons, why do you think Iran might want them?
is there any proof of iran producing nuclear weapons and why are other nations allowed to have them and certain ones aren't
Why do we have to draw a red line? By your own fucking crayons and draw your own god damn line.
[QUOTE=Florence;37695857]If Israel really attacks Iran, I officially declare the State of Israel a lost cause. It's a suicidal state stuck in a strange loop of self-victimization and justification for its shortcoming and outright atrocities so convoluted that no logic can be seen in it. I'm serious. If Israel attacks, it's fucking over. It might take ten-twenty or so years before it really is disbanded, but it would happen.[/QUOTE] Israel managed to get away with the strikes on Syrian facilities. Iran, who knows. Has Iran even responded to the cyber attacks on its facilities? Nope Still dont think Iran is ready for all out war, theyve got too much to loose.
[QUOTE=C47;37697013]Israel managed to get away with the strikes on Syrian facilities. Iran, who knows. Has Iran even responded to the cyber attacks on its facilities? Nope Still dont think Iran is ready for all out war, theyve got too much to loose.[/QUOTE] Maybe they'll just do what Israel supposedly has planned and just take themselves and Israel out in a nuclear fireball.
I think much of Israel is justifiable, and their populations innocent, but some of the decisions and acts of the government and military are, though often understandable, unforgivable and condemnable and someone should give them a steel tongue.
[QUOTE=mac338;37697426]I think [B]much of Israel is justifiable[/B], and their populations innocent, but some of the decisions and acts of the government and military are, though often understandable, unforgivable and condemnable and someone should give them a steel tongue.[/QUOTE] like?
[QUOTE=BloodYScar;37697922]like?[/QUOTE] Please, I don't want to get into a circular Israel debate, we've been through this in like [I]ever other thread about Israel ever.[/I] It adds nothing to the topic at hand at this point. Wanna take it to Steam or PM, I'm fine with that, just send me an invite or PM me if you want.
See, they're never going to stop fighting down there. They'll just find someone else to fight with.
I think USA made it pretty clear that they don't want to get involved in their warmongering. Who would want to get involved with a country whose nuclear policy is to literally nuke [I]everyone[/I] should their country fall?
[QUOTE=archangel125;37695632]See, Iraq and Iran kept each other busy by staying enemies. They devoted so much energy to their arms race that they didn't bother fucking with Israel. Now Iran's got one hell of a military and nobody to squabble with, and they're turning their gaze to Israel - Partly because Israel freaked the fuck out when they realized that Iraq was no longer a major threat to Iran.[/QUOTE] Well not really. Iran spends less than the middle-east average on it's military. And it's built as a defensive force with no real power projection.
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