Pennsylvania mother who gave daughter abortion pill gets prison
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[QUOTE]A Pennsylvania woman has been sentenced to up to 18 months in prison for obtaining so-called abortion pills online and providing them to her teenage daughter to end her pregnancy.
Jennifer Ann Whalen, 39, of Washingtonville, a single mother who works as a nursing home aide, pleaded guilty in August to obtaining the miscarriage-inducing pills from an online site in Europe for her daughter, 16, who did not want to have the child.
Whalen was sentenced on Friday by Montour County Court of Common Pleas Judge Gary Norton to serve 12 months to 18 months in prison for violating a state law that requires abortions to be performed by physicians.
She was also fined $1,000 and ordered to perform 40 hours of community service after her release. The felony offense called for up to seven years in prison and a $15,000 fine.[/QUOTE]
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I thought this and the Illinois one were connected at first.
Unbelievable. Criminalization of a woman's right to choose, ladies and gentlemen.
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;45907725]Unbelievable. Criminalization of a woman's right to choose, ladies and gentlemen.[/QUOTE]
Isn't killing someone a criminal stuff?
Abortion is killing a child inside of woman afterall.
its kinda sick people are rating this winners
[QUOTE=Sableye;45907770]its kinda sick people are rating this winners[/QUOTE]
I'm assuming the winners are because she got put behind bars. There's always people like that.
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pleaded guilty in August to obtaining the miscarriage-inducing pills from an online site in Europe for her daughter, 16, who did not want to have the child[/quote]
Did the fact that she had to import those from another damn continent not make her wonder if it was such a smart thing to do?
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;45907725]Unbelievable. Criminalization of a woman's right to choose, ladies and gentlemen.[/QUOTE]
Well it's not like abortion is outright outlawed in the state. It just has to be performed by a physician.
[QUOTE=Mitchel.;45907761]Isn't killing someone a criminal stuff?
Abortion is killing a child inside of woman afterall.[/QUOTE]
that woman has complete and total control over the outcome of the life inside her, we can punish her for what some people think is wrong but ultimately she has the free will to end the life inside her and there's nothing we can do ever to stop it, even if we take away all means chemically, she can resort to extremes of just jumping out a window if she seriously wanted to, this is why we shouldn't make it unreasonably hard or impossible in this case to have abortions
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;45907725]Unbelievable. Criminalization of a woman's right to choose, ladies and gentlemen.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Mitchel.;45907761]Isn't killing someone a criminal stuff?
Abortion is killing a child inside of woman afterall.[/QUOTE]
I've never seen two people be so equally stupid in completely opposite ways before.
I didn't even know "abortion" pills existed. I knew there was like Plan B, but that has to be immediate. Still I understand the law where it has to be done by a physician for safety concerns. But again, maybe they just couldn't afford it. Abortion fees aren't cheap. Down here in Georgia they can range from $200-400.
[QUOTE=Mitchel.;45907761]Isn't killing someone a criminal stuff?
Abortion is killing a child inside of woman afterall.[/QUOTE]
Can't tell if you are being sarcastic but if you aren't:
You can't kill something that wasn't even alive in the first place.
If you are then please disregard the above statement.
[QUOTE=Mitchel.;45907761]Isn't killing someone a criminal stuff?
Abortion is killing a child inside of woman afterall.[/QUOTE]
Errrr no you're wrong sorry
[QUOTE=Slade Xanthas;45907854]more like criminalization of giving your daughter weird black market drugs from another country and causing her a load of pain and suffering great enough to have to hospitalize her
maybe if the family actually got insurance they could've taken her to a clinic to get it properly done[/QUOTE]
Yeah, it's their own damn fault for being too poor to have health insurance...:rolleyes:
Not that it would have helped them anyway, you have to purchase an expensive rider to your health insurance to cover abortion for most plans. You also have to make a minimum of two trips to the nearest clinic to satisfy the asinine waiting period requirement.
[QUOTE]In Pennsylvania, the following restrictions on abortion were in effect as of July 1, 2014:
A woman must receive state-directed counseling that includes information designed to discourage her from having an abortion and then wait 24 hours before the procedure is provided.
Health plans that will be offered in the state’s health exchange under the Affordable Care Act can only cover abortion in cases when the woman's life is endangered, rape or incest, unless an optional rider is purchased at an additional cost.
Abortion is covered in insurance policies for public employees only in cases of life endangerment, rape or incest.
The parent of a minor must consent before an abortion is provided.
Public funding is available for abortion only in cases of life endangerment, rape or incest.[/QUOTE]
Nobody would feel the need to order sketchy drugs from overseas if abortion was more accessible and affordable. And, even then, the way the law is being used is bullshit. Giving someone pills =/= performing an abortion.
This very obviously happened because Pennsylvania is insufficiently protective of a women's right to reproductive health. In states where abortion (or medication that accomplishes the same end) is safe, legal, affordable, and convenient, this kind of thing doesn't happen. IMO it should be publicly funded for everybody, because the economic cost of teenagers having unwanted children far outweighs the cost of a single outpatient procedure. But that's just my opinion.
[QUOTE=Mitchel.;45907761]Isn't killing someone a criminal stuff?
Abortion is killing a child inside of woman afterall.[/QUOTE]
A fetus is about as human as a parasitic twin growing off of some guy's chest
Removing that isn't murder to anyone so why is abortion considered murder to so many
is it because its anti christian and babies are cute :33?
[QUOTE=Mitchel.;45907761]Isn't killing someone a criminal stuff?
Abortion is killing a child inside of woman afterall.[/QUOTE]
Is masturbation mass murder?
[QUOTE=Kljunas;45908096]Is masturbation mass murder?[/QUOTE]
If it is, Hitler has nothing on me.
I'm a guy so in a way my opinion doesn't matter since I can't get pregnant but my feeling is that until the baby is born, it's the woman's choice. 'Woman' in this case meaning any female, since if she's pregnant she's not a 'girl' in the reproductive sense.
The woman is the one who has to carry it for the duration of the pregnancy, that right there should end any argument over who should have the final decision.
Now if sex education AND birth control were made freely available from early on in life(sex ed) and later starting in the teen years(birth control) THEN maybe I'd come around to the idea that abortion wasn't needed.
In this case the mom endangered her daughter's life, this is the kind of desperate thing people do when their choices are limited.
[QUOTE=Kljunas;45908096]Is masturbation mass murder?[/QUOTE]
whenever i'm in a bad mood i wank and think about this.
[QUOTE=Rich209;45908116]If it is Hitler has nothing on me.[/QUOTE]
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The child would have to either grow up in a home with a teen mom and her single mom, or go into adoption or foster care, and live their entire life not knowing who their true parents are. It's a tough moral decision to make, but not one that requires a prison sentence and a criminal record, this is some bullshit.
[QUOTE=Kljunas;45908096]Is masturbation mass murder?[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;45907725]Unbelievable. Criminalization of a woman's right to choose, ladies and gentlemen.[/QUOTE]
You can get an abortion if you want one, but by actual physicians, in this state.
Also, IMO, it isn't killing anything unless it's 23 weeks in, or when synapses in the brain start actually firing and a nervous system is actually present. That's when I think the cut-off date for abortion should be
Article is a bit unclear with specifics- it mentions "so called abortion pill".
Now there is a prescription you can get that is often mislabeled as that. It does not terminate pregnancies however, it only prevents them.
My guess is the mother obtained some drug that has a side effect of causing miscarriage. If this is the case - hell yes she deserves a prison sentence. W/o the specific drugs name I can not say with certainty but I can say any drug used with the intent to cause a miscarriage can be dangerous, even deadly, and should not be used except by a licensed doctor.
[QUOTE=Dissolution;45908032]A fetus is about as human as a parasitic twin growing off of some guy's chest
Removing that isn't murder to anyone so why is abortion considered murder to so many[/QUOTE]
The parasitic twin has no hope of a normal life. If you don't want a kid just put the damn thing up for adoption instead of being a heartless twat with no self-responsibility
[QUOTE=Dissolution;45908032]is it because its anti christian and babies are cute :33?[/QUOTE]
Your fedora is showing.
[editline]7th September 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Kljunas;45908096]Is masturbation mass murder?[/QUOTE]
If I came on the ground babies wouldn't sprout forth like cabbage patch kids.
My god, some of you people are missing the point
She was arrested because the law declares that an abortion must be performed by a trained clinician
It was stupid of her to try to chemically induce an abortion, because there can be severe negative side effects
However, the sentence is overkill
[QUOTE=AwpersAreBad;45913262]The parasitic twin has no hope of a normal life. If you don't want a kid just put the damn thing up for adoption instead of being a heartless twat with no self-responsibility[/QUOTE]
The point is that the people [I]don't want the child in the first place[/I] and [I]don't want to deal with delivering it[/I] only to put it up for adoption
There are too many kids out there who are abandoned by their parents because they are unwanted, and there are too many that live shitty lives because of it
[QUOTE=AwpersAreBad;45913262]The parasitic twin has no hope of a normal life. If you don't want a kid just put the damn thing up for adoption instead of being a heartless twat with no self-responsibility
Your fedora is showing.
[editline]7th September 2014[/editline]
If I came on the ground babies wouldn't sprout forth like cabbage patch kids.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, wouldn't wanna hurt that unborn baby's feelings.
It's a fucking fetus, it doesn't give a shit whether it'll have a normal life or not, yet for some reason you find it more important than the happiness of a real, living, adult woman? Get your priorities straight.
[QUOTE=AwpersAreBad;45913262]The parasitic twin has no hope of a normal life. If you don't want a kid just put the damn thing up for adoption instead of being a heartless twat with no self-responsibility[/QUOTE]
It's not like adoption is some wonder system of awesomeness that negates the need for abortion. The most recent statistic I could find was that in 2010 there were 765,651 abortions reported to the CDC, 784,507 in 2009 and 825,564 in 2008. That's 2,375,722 abortions in those three years alone that the CDC knows about. Do you really think the country can handle a couple million kids with no parents every three years? Don't we struggle with the amount of kids we have [I]now?[/I]
And shit, it's not like you just shove the kid off and they stop existing, many adopted children seek out their birth parents. Just giving your kids away isn't that simple.
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[QUOTE=Crash155;45913304]The point is that the people [I]don't want the child in the first place[/I] and [I]don't want to deal with delivering it[/I] only to put it up for adoption
There are too many kids out there who are abandoned by their parents because they are unwanted, and there are too many that live shitty lives because of it[/QUOTE]
"Boo-hoo I didn't want this kid feel bad for me" Hey you know what? I lived a shitty life with one alcoholic parent and another heroin addict. I'm fucking glad I got the chance to make the best of it. You're literally arguing for suicide "Well his/her life is probably going to be shit so lets just kill it"
[QUOTE=Fhux;45913323]Yeah, wouldn't wanna hurt that unborn baby's feelings.
It's a fucking fetus, it doesn't give a shit whether it'll have a normal life or not, yet for some reason you find it more important than the happiness of a real, living, adult woman? Get your priorities straight.[/QUOTE]
I'm firm in the belief that you reap what you sow so I don't feel bad about them because there's fucking shitloads of ways to avoid getting pregnant and 9/10 it would have been avoided if you had not been a dolt. And I don't think its fair someone can deny a kid chance at life because you're selfish and want an easy way out.
[QUOTE=AwpersAreBad;45913436]"Boo-hoo I didn't want this kid feel bad for me" Hey you know what? I lived a shitty life with one alcoholic parent and another heroin addict. I'm fucking glad I got the chance to make the best of it. You're literally arguing for suicide "Well his/her life is probably going to be shit so lets just kill it"
I'm firm in the belief that you reap what you sow so I don't feel bad about them because there's fucking shitloads of ways to avoid getting pregnant and 9/10 it would have been avoided if you had not been a dolt. And I don't think its fair someone can deny a kid chance at life because you're selfish and want an easy way out.[/QUOTE]
see but the flaw in this is that a fetus isn't a human being or a child
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