Misleading "Medical Studies" and (hopefully) the ammunition to disprove them
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Today my mom emailed me this article: [url]http://news.ninemsn.com.au/health/8530447/marijuana-linked-to-testicular-cancer[/url]
And the other day she was talking about this: [url]http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504763_162-57501243-10391704/smoking-marijuana-regularly-as-a-teen-may-lower-iq-scores-as-an-adult/[/url]
I don't have the ammunition I need to prove her wrong. I have tried to ask her to watch the union, but she remains ignorant at the moment.
The reason I created this thread is to find articles like these and hopefully find the ammunition to prove them wrong.
Please help me; lets help each other and help disprove all this misleading misinformation one step at a time for a greener future.
correlation ≠ causation. Its as simple as that.
The IQ one is pretty legit though it really is well known you shouldnt smoke regulary until your brain is fully developed
eh, I did an iq test two years or so ago, and again the other day
scored the same, don't think my smoking habit has caused any issues, obviously this is subjective and wont apply to everyone
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edit: i'd laugh if they were high when they took the tests and no one realized
the test was a very thorough and good one and was over quite a few years and they had lots of different proper IQ tests administered by proffesional psychologists so your own experience isn't applicable in the slightest.
People need to actually read the study properly before they start saying things like that
IQ's don't mean shit
Actually they do when assessed properly
the first study doesnt even link to the source of the study so you should mention that.
I would suggest the Shafer Commission since it was a government run report and analysis that tried to show Nixon that weed isnt that bad after all. Here is a link to the [url=http://www.iowamedicalmarijuana.org/documents/nc1contents.aspx]Table of contents[/url]
and [url=http://www.iowamedicalmarijuana.org/documents/nc1ch2.aspx#2e]effects[/url].
[QUOTE=Cpn Crunch21;37638756]the first study doesnt even link to the source of the study so you should mention that.
I would suggest the Shafer Commission since it was a government run report and analysis that tried to show Nixon that weed isnt that bad after all. Here is a link to the [url=http://www.iowamedicalmarijuana.org/documents/nc1contents.aspx]Table of contents[/url]
and [url=http://www.iowamedicalmarijuana.org/documents/nc1ch2.aspx#2e]effects[/url].[/QUOTE]
This is quite useful, a good piece of ammunition indeed.
[QUOTE=Tophat;37638816]This is quite useful, a good piece of ammunition indeed.[/QUOTE]
just be weary that this is from the 70's but i would mention that all of the stigma linked to cannabis use was caused by black and white media portrayals of sensationalist horseshit. Look, pot may be the safest recreational drug, but like everything else it has downsides. No shit drug use is bad on a developing brain, i agree that there should be age limits and what not, but at the same time i am an adult and i should be able to make my own decisions whether or not to consume something that i want as long as it doesnt hurt anyone else. If you are old enough and are on your own then do whatever the fuck you want. If you still live there then you should just live by their rules and just deal by either hiding it (and risking a lot) or by just waiting until you move out. Ive said it before, when it comes to controversial crap people choose their side and only look at evidence to prove their stance instead of looking at the whole picture. Basically, if she is close-minded about this then you arent going to budge her.
[QUOTE=Tophat;37638076]Today my mom emailed me this article: [url]http://news.ninemsn.com.au/health/8530447/marijuana-linked-to-testicular-cancer[/url]
And the other day she was talking about this: [url]http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504763_162-57501243-10391704/smoking-marijuana-regularly-as-a-teen-may-lower-iq-scores-as-an-adult/[/url]
I don't have the ammunition I need to prove her wrong. I have tried to ask her to watch the union, but she remains ignorant at the moment.
The reason I created this thread is to find articles like these and hopefully find the ammunition to prove them wrong.
Please help me; lets help each other and help disprove all this misleading misinformation one step at a time for a greener future.[/QUOTE]
what do you mean, you know they could be ...*gasp*... right?
dumb thread. similar to please help me do my homework?
smoking a bit of weed every now and then will do you minimum harm, but most of you lot are idiots for thinking it's harmless and has all these superpowers.
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i honestly don't see how it's misleading either. they chose a fair group of people. cocaine users were shown to have a lower risk of testicular cancer in the same study.
they're reporting their findings.
[QUOTE=Stormcharger;37638573]the test was a very thorough and good one and was over quite a few years and they had lots of different proper IQ tests administered by proffesional psychologists so your own experience isn't applicable in the slightest.
People need to actually read the study properly before they start saying things like that[/QUOTE]
dude I have, it doesn't really surprise me that that is the case, i was just joking around about the i'd laugh if they were high part, I like to do online iq tests every now and then (I know these don't count, but just for the sake of exercising my brain and all that) and I can say for sure that when i'm high, I think i'm a super genius at them but I end up getting up to 20 points less than I would if sober
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[QUOTE=joe588;37639766]what do you mean, you know they could be ...*gasp*... right?
dumb thread. similar to please help me do my homework?
smoking a bit of weed every now and then will do you minimum harm, but most of you lot are idiots for thinking it's harmless and has all these superpowers.
[editline]12th September 2012[/editline]
i honestly don't see how it's misleading either. they chose a fair group of people. cocaine users were shown to have a lower risk of testicular cancer in the same study.
they're reporting their findings.[/QUOTE]
no one here believes weed has super powers.
[QUOTE=Inzalonus;37639994]
no one here believes weed has super powers.[/QUOTE]
yes they do, they think it cures cancer, fights depression, is perfectly fine to smoke every day.
I don't belive in IQ, it depends on many factors. Per exemple: if you're too tired, thinking about something, you can't focus well... The IQ isn't a real value, you need to meet a psy to test your IQ, and I bet that if you meet 2 or 3 differents psy for an IQ test, you might get some different results.
Also, I passed all my exams while high on hash. But I took some methylphenidate to keep awake too.
And I owned the philosophic exam so well.
Fuck the IQ, I'm happy as I am.
They did use 2 or 3 different psys for each IQ test and they got different ones each time
[QUOTE=joe588;37640132]yes they do, they think it cures cancer, fights depression, is perfectly fine to smoke every day.[/QUOTE]
If it fights depression for them what's wrong in smoking every day? it's their choice
I know for a fact weed helps me with my anxiety issues, makes me feel like actually doing shit and get past the mental barrier that keeps me from doing anything
doesn't mean it has "super powers"
about the people that think it "cures" cancer, it doesn't, but it has been shown to fight/shrink tumours in vitro(vito?), it's easy to get mislead
Well if they're right, then I guess having it in moderation is all I can really do. My mother is open minded and accepts that I do it, but she keeps sending me articles and whatnot.
The way I see it is if Carl Sagan can have it and live a wonderful life, then I too should be able to live a good life as long as I am moderate.
either way all these studies are dumb because there are probably more drinkers our age than smokers.
though i don't even need to say if you consumed either substance at the same rate for a year the difference would be outstandingly different.
yeah yeah smoking weed fucks with brain development, probably fucked with mine but i got "off the charts" in my 4th grade iq test and got two more iq tests during rehab and they were still all like "it's off the charts".
i didn't give a fuck, still don't. iq does mean something but it doesn't mean it matters much.
[editline]13th September 2012[/editline]
all and all weed is probably the least harmful drug out there that causes profound changes in your mental state.
[QUOTE=Stormcharger;37640877]They did use 2 or 3 different psys for each IQ test and they got different ones each time[/QUOTE]
Yes, the study was very thorough and only confirmed what was already widely believed. It is known that cannabis during a young age can have permanent negative effects on the mind, while as an adult these negative effects are only temporary and pass a few weeks after you stop smoking.
There was another study a few years back involving exposing mice to cannabis frequently and then comparing the memory of these mice to sober mice after they had "stopped smoking". It turned out the memory of the ex-smoking mice that were under the equivalent of 16 human years was reduced by 25% compared to the sober mice. However, the older mice had no such permanent memory impairment.
In other words, smoking cannabis very early in the development stage of your brain [B]will [/B]leave permanent negative effects, this has been proven again and again. There is no point in denying it or justifying it by, like in this thread, attacking the credibility of the IQ system. The important fact here is that it [B]does [/B]have permanent negative side-effects and if you want to avoid these, don't start smoking weed until you're at least 16 years old (though it's best if you delay until you're 18-20).
[QUOTE=Inzalonus;37640882]If it fights depression for them what's wrong in smoking every day? it's their choice
I know for a fact weed helps me with my anxiety issues, makes me feel like actually doing shit and get past the mental barrier that keeps me from doing anything
doesn't mean it has "super powers"
about the people that think it "cures" cancer, it doesn't, but it has been shown to fight/shrink tumours in vitro(vito?), it's easy to get mislead[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]
United States Patent 6,630,507
Hampson , et al. October 7, 2003
Cannabinoids as antioxidants and neuroprotectants
Abstract
Cannabinoids have been found to have antioxidant properties, unrelated to NMDA receptor antagonism. This new found property makes cannabinoids useful in the treatment and prophylaxis of wide variety of oxidation associated diseases, such as ischemic, age-related, inflammatory and autoimmune diseases. The cannabinoids are found to have particular application as neuroprotectants, for example in limiting neurological damage following ischemic insults, such as stroke and trauma, or in the treatment of neurodegenerative diseases, such as Alzheimer's disease, Parkinson's disease and HIV dementia. Nonpsychoactive cannabinoids, such as cannabidoil, are particularly advantageous to use because they avoid toxicity that is encountered with psychoactive cannabinoids at high doses useful in the method of the present invention. A particular disclosed class of cannabinoids useful as neuroprotective antioxidants is formula (I) wherein the R group is independently selected from the group consisting of H, CH.sub.3, and COCH.sub.3. ##STR1##
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Not saying it has super powers, but most people like to shrug off how useful this plant can be.
i can attest to it's trauma healing abilities.
Some people aren't meant to smoke, some may have the body fit for it. That's just how I look at it at least.
[QUOTE=ljonny;37661921]Some people aren't meant to smoke, some may have the body fit for it. That's just how I look at it at least.[/QUOTE]
Good way to look at everything really, "not everything is for everybody"
[B][QUOTE]Marijuana linked to testicular cancer[/QUOTE][/B]
wat
[QUOTE=polarbear.;37666524][B][/B]
wat[/QUOTE]
I agree. See the IQ study seems quite plausible, but I don't see how marijuana could be linked to that if it supposedly kills cancerous cells.. One of the studies must be wrong since they conflict.
Please show me when your 18, and in school learning not because of the marijuana, but when your 38 and have been out of school for prolong number of years you are going to forget plenty of stuff on that stupid IQ test.
Taking an 18 year old after school to make an IQ test, then 20 years after school you make some else take a IQ test, do you really think they are going to have more IQ points? They just want more shit against marijuana with stupid shit. Yes anything that affects the brain is bad for developing brains, still quite the stupid study
[QUOTE=kherbyne;37667969]Please show me when your 18, and in school learning not because of the marijuana, but when your 38 and have been out of school for prolong number of years you are going to forget plenty of stuff on that stupid IQ test.
Taking an 18 year old after school to make an IQ test, then 20 years after school you make some else take a IQ test, do you really think they are going to have more IQ points? They just want more shit against marijuana with stupid shit. Yes anything that affects the brain is bad for developing brains, still quite the stupid study[/QUOTE]
I second this notion, you're absolutely right, a lot of adults don't really get to use their brains in their day to day lives the way students do.
I for one am going into the electrical trade, so I shall be using my brain for life. :v:
[QUOTE=kherbyne;37667969]Please show me when your 18, and in school learning not because of the marijuana, but when your 38 and have been out of school for prolong number of years you are going to forget plenty of stuff on that stupid IQ test.
Taking an 18 year old after school to make an IQ test, then 20 years after school you make some else take a IQ test, do you really think they are going to have more IQ points? They just want more shit against marijuana with stupid shit. Yes anything that affects the brain is bad for developing brains, still quite the stupid study[/QUOTE]
Not to mention it seems a bit coincidental that marijuana would harm devoloping brains, but once you become a legal US adult it stops (even though an 18 year old brain still develops)
[QUOTE=polarbear.;37666524][B]MJ causes ball cancer[/B]
wat[/QUOTE]
heres the abstract
[url]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19204904?ordinalpos=2&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DefaultReportPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum[/url]
CONCLUSION: An association was observed between marijuana use and the occurrence of nonseminoma TGCTs. [B]Additional studies of TGCTs will be needed to test this [U]hypothesis[/U][/B], including molecular analyses of cannabinoid receptors and endocannabinoid signaling, which may provide clues regarding the biologic mechanisms of TGCTs.
so yeah its another association study. I mean they even admit that this hypothesis needs further testing. I fucking hate the mass media, you really cant take anything without a grain... no, a pound of salt.
[QUOTE=Cpn Crunch21;37669654]heres the abstract
[url]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19204904?ordinalpos=2&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DefaultReportPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum[/url]
CONCLUSION: An association was observed between marijuana use and the occurrence of nonseminoma TGCTs. [B]Additional studies of TGCTs will be needed to test this [U]hypothesis[/U][/B], including molecular analyses of cannabinoid receptors and endocannabinoid signaling, which may provide clues regarding the biologic mechanisms of TGCTs.
so yeah its another association study. I mean they even admit that this hypothesis needs further testing. I fucking hate the mass media, you really cant take anything without a grain... no, a pound of salt.[/QUOTE]
Well that's how it goes dude, if there's something you like, there's always going to be others who dislike it, and when you dislike something, you usually want to justify why you dislike it, even if it's not justifiable.
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