• UAE Warship Sunk by Houthi Anti-Ship Rocket
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[quote]Sana'a, Yemen (11:48 P.M) - The Houthi-allied Yemeni Republican Guard were able to destroy an Emirati Navy HSV-2 Swift ship near the port city of Mokha with a C802 Cruise Missile.[/quote] [url=https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/uae-warship-obliterated-off-coast-yemen/]Almasdar News[/url] [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgRaX98GFvs[/media] Well... This is a way to tell the Saudis to go fuck themselves. Not gonna lie, the fact that an insurgent group is now capable of sinking ships with cruise missiles, is quiet a weird thing.
considering how pretty much every western navy and even china are using port space right across from where this happened and those missiles usually have some range, can we all agree now to blockade yemen?
[QUOTE=Sableye;51139023]considering how pretty much every western navy and even china are using port space right across from where this happened and those missiles usually have some range, can we all agree now to blockade yemen?[/QUOTE] From what I understand, these rockets were home-made. So... Blockading would be a bad idea.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;51139035]From what I understand, these rockets were home-made. So... Blockading would be a bad idea.[/QUOTE] Iran probably gave it to them, I doubt that an insurgent group could make a functioning Top-Down attack cruise missile
Oh fuck, shit may of just gotten a bit more heavy, real fast. [quote] [B]August 18, 2015: [/B] In the Persian Gulf the UAE (United Arab Emirates) has leased a ship (the former HSV 2 class USS Swift) that was used, until 2013, to develop new sea transport concepts for the United States Navy. The UAE leased HSV 2 arrived in the Persian Gulf in mid-July and immediately was set to work moving troops and vehicles of the new Saudi-UAE combat brigade that arrived in the Yemen port of Aden in the first week of August. That brigade then led the advance that pushed the Shia rebels out of four provinces in record time. A decade of American work with the Swift led to a new class (HSV or High Speed Vessel) of transport ships. In 2003 the Americans first leased one of these new ships to fully test the concept. This was the USS Swift (HSV 2) and it was a twin hulled catamaran, designed and built in Australia. Based on that very successful U.S. Navy experience with the earlier Westpac Express (a commercial vessel) many modifications were made and the Swift was built in ten months. The design was modified so the HSV 2 could perform both transport and mine sweeping missions. All this began in 2001 when the U.S. Navy began leasing a high speed (60 kilometers an hour) catamaran, the Westpac Express, from an Australian firm, to move U.S. Marine Corps equipment around the Pacific. In this it was very successful, and this has served to prove the ability of such a catamaran design to serve in a military role. The HSV-2 is actually a small ship, 103 meters (335 feet) long and displaces 1,600 tons. It can carry up to 600 tons of cargo and has airline style seating for 300 troops, although up to 600 can be carried for short periods. The cargo can include vehicles of up to 70 tons each, including M-1 tanks. Vehicles are driven on and off. There is a tradeoff between tonnage carried and speed and range. The twin hull design is also slowed down quite a bit in rough seas. This is not the kind of ship you can use much in the North Atlantic or North Pacific. There is also a helicopter pad and space for two UH-60 or CH-46 class choppers. The basic crew is only 41, but there are crew quarters for 51 and the galley can feed up to 150. The important aspect of the HSV is speed. The Swift maintained a speed of 83 kilometers an hour for four hours during sea trails. The ship can cruise at 63 kilometers an hour for 2,000 kilometers, or 7,200 kilometers at 36 kilometers an hour before it has to be refueled. The HSV has four water-jets, making it very maneuverable. The Swift was found to be most useful as high speed transports. Weapons can include manned 25mm automatic cannon and remote controlled 12.7mm machine-gun or 40m grenade launchers. [/quote] [url=https://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htseamo/20150818.aspx]Strategy Page[/url] Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but leased ships usually carry a complement of crew from the previous nation for training and advising, correct?
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;51139035]From what I understand, these rockets were home-made. So... Blockading would be a bad idea.[/QUOTE] Don't think it's homemade. Probably acquired from Iran knowing their past history. [QUOTE=Michael haxz;51139074]Iran probably gave it to them, I doubt that a insurgent group could make a functioning Top-Down attack cruise missile[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=l33tkill;51139085]Don't think it's homemade. Probably acquired from Iran knowing their past history.[/QUOTE] Supposedly it's called the Burkan-1, and this is [url=http://www.janes.com/article/63468/yemenis-unveil-new-burkan-1-ballistic-missile]one of the news stories I found of it's unveiling[/url]. It wouldn't surprise me if this turns out to be an actual case of home-made. ISIS, FSA, and others have been bashing their heads together to code a directional system for rockets for about three years now, with some success. Even the rocket engineering community knows how to make directional rockets.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;51139111]Supposedly it's called the Burkan-1, and this is [url=http://www.janes.com/article/63468/yemenis-unveil-new-burkan-1-ballistic-missile]one of the news stories I found of it's unveiling[/url]. It wouldn't surprise me if this turns out to be an actual case of home-made. ISIS, FSA, and others have been bashing their heads together to code a directional system for rockets for about three years now, with some success. Even the rocket engineering community knows how to make directional rockets.[/QUOTE] That's a modified ballistic missile. That fucker in the video has a pretty advanced guidance system by the looks of it. Not just that, but the CDCMs that I've seen have fins in the mid or top. Otherwise something like that would end up smacking the water before reaching the target.
Saudi Arabia really has a thorn in their side considering they border a country with a group of rebels with capable weaponry to take down a fucking navy vessel. Considering Iran is supporting them in the war and they are buddies with Russia, wouldn't be surprised if these guys were given sophisticated weaponry like this.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;51139081]Oh fuck, shit may of just gotten a bit more heavy, real fast. [url=https://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htseamo/20150818.aspx]Strategy Page[/url] Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but leased ships usually carry a complement of crew from the previous nation for training and advising, correct?[/QUOTE] former American ship, some Americans................... is it an attack on America? It ain't ours anymore. shit.
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Well, plus side, obviously that design sucks. What kind of warship even comes close to being sunk by one missile? Now we can save a bunch of money and not build any more!
It is not designed to be in a combat role. It's a civilian design made largely of aluminum, which if we remember our Falklands history, is very vulnerable to fire. Entire ships have been gutted/sunk by simple fires/missiles/explosions.
[QUOTE=dbk21894;51139448]It is not designed to be in a combat role. It's a civilian design made largely of aluminum, which if we remember our Falklands history, is very vulnerable to fire. Entire ships have been gutted/sunk by simple fires/missiles/explosions.[/QUOTE] It doesn't really seem to be designed to do anything particularly useful.
[QUOTE=GunFox;51140385]It doesn't really seem to be designed to do anything particularly useful.[/QUOTE] I'm gonna take a wild guess and say surveillance or something along those lines.
From what I read so far, this isn't really a warship but logistics ship. Legit military target, but it does explain why only a single missile managed to completely destroy that ship and set it on fire almost completely.
[QUOTE=GunFox;51139433]Well, plus side, obviously that design sucks. What kind of warship even comes close to being sunk by one missile? Now we can save a bunch of money and not build any more![/QUOTE] It isn't nor was it ever a warship though. It's just a catamaran. We leased it for a while to sort of experiment with transporting troops with it quickly. This thing displaces about 500 tons while our smaller warships displace 8,000 tons. This thing had a few .50 cals on it and that's it
[QUOTE=GunFox;51140385]It doesn't really seem to be designed to do anything particularly useful.[/QUOTE] Let's go do some [I]~research~[/I] [QUOTE]HSV-2 Swift is a hybrid catamaran. She was [B]privately owned [/B]and operated by Sealift Inc. and originally leased by the United States Navy Military Sealift Command from 2003 to 2013 as a mine countermeasures and sea basing test platform. She was primarily used for fleet support and humanitarian partnership missions.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]The minimum crew size is 35[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]The ship is a wave-piercing, [B]aluminum-hulled[/B], [B]commercial catamaran [/B]with military enhancements, such as a helicopter flight deck, vehicle deck, small boat and unmanned vehicle launch and recovery capability, and a communications suite. She features a new, modular design, which will allow her to be refitted to support missions without requiring long shipyard periods.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]As a [B]logistics vessel[/B], the ship does [B]not have water-tight compartments or weapons systems[/B]. Propulsion is provided by directional water jets, so the ship does not have propellers or a rudder for steering, and [B]can maneuver in twelve feet of water[/B].[/QUOTE] So there you have it. Took five minutes of googling. :mysterysolved:
[QUOTE=GunFox;51139433]Well, plus side, obviously that design sucks. What kind of warship even comes close to being sunk by one missile? Now we can save a bunch of money and not build any more![/QUOTE] Well for stsrters, it was never a warship. We employ a number of catamaran style ships for their low sonar profile as Ocean surveillance which roughly translates to towing a sonar array and mapping common enemy sub routes. They are all special purpose in nature and were never made for combat, that being said it doesn't surprise me that a single AShM almost tore it in half.
[QUOTE=Riller;51140514]Let's go do some [I]~research~[/I] So there you have it. Took five minutes of googling. :mysterysolved:[/QUOTE] Yep, I was there. I looked at it. She can carry hundreds of soldiers or a tank, or a variety of other bits of military hardware, but can't do so safely. What kind of shit mine hunter isn't armored. She was clearly designed to operate close to the front lines. The range of anti ship missiles is considerable, so she is always going to be at risk in a military application. She was not designed to do anything useful because she can't do anything useful without putting assets at significant risk.
[QUOTE=Matthew0505;51139337]How about the Saudis stop committing war crimes instead[/QUOTE] ya but iran started this war up by funneling supplies and weaponry, like this, ti the rebel factions there, weapons that were used to take over a sovern nation before the saudis stepped in. its fucking stupid but pretending one side is stupid
[QUOTE=GunFox;51140654]Yep, I was there. I looked at it. She can carry hundreds of soldiers or a tank, or a variety of other bits of military hardware, but can't do so safely. What kind of shit mine hunter isn't armored. She was clearly designed to operate close to the front lines. The range of anti ship missiles is considerable, so she is always going to be at risk in a military application. She was not designed to do anything useful because she can't do anything useful without putting assets at significant risk.[/QUOTE] How can she be designed to operate near the frontline if it is a commercial vessel out of aluminium? Given its properties, I'd say it is more likely to shuttle materiel and personnel behind the line. [editline]2nd October 2016[/editline] I'd say it's more like a big water bus.
[QUOTE=GunFox;51140654]Yep, I was there. I looked at it. She can carry hundreds of soldiers or a tank, or a variety of other bits of military hardware, but can't do so safely. What kind of shit mine hunter isn't armored. She was clearly designed to operate close to the front lines. The range of anti ship missiles is considerable, so she is always going to be at risk in a military application. She was not designed to do anything useful because she can't do anything useful without putting assets at significant risk.[/QUOTE] I doubt that it was intended to operate without some sort of escort which would of had the ability to intercept or at least warn the vessel of an incoming threat. However it would appear that the Saudi's underestimated the insurgents capabilities and chose not to have the vessel escorted.
It is worth mentioning by the way, this is the third vessel in the last two years that the Houthis have sunk. The first two were Saudi and Egyptian destroyers.
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