Don't believe what you hear unless there is is a scholarly article backing up the claim.
Broscience is a widely used term regarding the lack of scientific evidence backing a claim. Broscience is generally known as wrongfully inferring the nature of the human body. Although there is nothing wrong with inference, many people end up accepting a hypothesis as a conclusion without adequate proof, of which I am no exception.
The reason I say broscience is not the worst thing in the world is because it encourages philosophical thinking. (if a, and if b, then c)
for example:
Sprinting significantly increases growth hormone secretion in humans.
[url]http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/02640410252925152[/url]
Please use this thread to post muscle-growth related claims with a scholarly article to back up such claims.
One of the main problems with steroid-related studies is that tons of guys actively search for ads regarding the study of steroids just so they can get some free gear. Since it's extremely rare for subjects to actively be monitored, the results should be taken with a grain of salt.
One of the most popular studies people love to jump to is the one where people on steroids gained more muscle while not training than the people who trained regularly. It's highly likely the people who "didn't train" actually did, because nobody in their right mind would squander free steroids by sitting around on the couch all day.
agreeed.
i have this thought..
considering how 'broscience' the supplement industry is, it would be a good nice to test certain well known compounds to see how they hold up against all the false claims attached to them.
The only way this would really be possible is for a person to simulate one's own controlled experiment.
1. Go to the doctor's office prior to taking the ingredient of study, and take a hormone level test and ask for the results back.
2. Take an ingredient of choice (ex. Tribulus terrestris) at a widely accepted dose every day for two weeks (or however long makes most sense) and then take another hormone test at the end of those two weeks.
The only problem we face here, is deciding an appropriate time between last dose and taking the hormone test. An obvious way around that would be to take more than two hormone tests over the course of the two weeks. (one test right after dosing, and one test before dosing that day)
3. Compare the baseline hormone test with the others to see trib's effect on estrogen, testosterone, prolactin, thyroxine, and perhaps a few others i am forgetting.
But too bad these hormone tests are pretty damn expensive, at least where I come from, because I can guarantee I would have already tried doing this if I had proper resources.
Lemme know what you think.
[editline]20th October 2012[/editline]
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One of the most popular studies people love to jump to is the one where people on steroids gained more muscle while not training than the people who trained regularly. It's highly likely the people who "didn't train" actually did, because nobody in their right mind would squander free steroids by sitting around on the couch all day.[/QUOTE]
I completely agree. I doubt anyone would go without lifting while juicing, if they were in surplus of calories, they would probably only gain intestinal muscle.
sad day for this guy.
[img]http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3624/3496848186_8abbf9da15.jpg[/img]
Have you ever heard of myostatin? I do believe myostatin deficiency can cause muscle growth without exercise, which is pretty interesting.
source: [url]http://www.pnas.org/content/98/16/9306.short[/url]
[url]http://www.pnas.org/content/94/23/12457.short[/url]
[QUOTE=ToxicJoy;38108597]Don't believe what you hear unless there is is a scholarly article backing up the claim.
Broscience is a widely used term regarding the lack of scientific evidence backing a claim. Broscience is generally known as wrongfully inferring the nature of the human body. Although there is nothing wrong with inference, many people end up accepting a hypothesis as a conclusion without adequate proof, of which I am no exception.
The reason I say broscience is not the worst thing in the world is because it encourages philosophical thinking. (if a, and if b, then c)
for example:
Sprinting significantly increases growth hormone secretion in humans.
[url]http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/02640410252925152[/url]
Please use this thread to post muscle-growth related claims with a scholarly article to back up such claims.[/QUOTE]
THE PROBLEM WITH THIS IS YOU DONT KNOW HOW TO READ STUDIES AND YOU BELIEVE THEM BLINDLY . SOME STUDIES ARE SHIT DEAL WITH IT. I CAN FIND STUDIES SAYING CARBS MAKE YOU FAT INSTEAD OF HIGH CALORIES . READ FULLTEXT YOU CUNT
O.K. Tell us what you found. Also, I watched a very interesting TED video saying even the so-called unbiased medical journals are biased. Depending on the journal and subject, they can choose not to publish it.... He gave an interesting example about some new anti-depressant he'd like to try because a patient of his wasn't responding to his current AD. He read all the studies, it had positive and even better results. What he didn't know, was that they chose not to publish the negative results for whatever reason. The patient felt like shit and my take home message is; take every study with a grain of salt, especially compounds related.
[QUOTE=ToxicJoy;38113066]I doubt anyone would go without lifting while juicing, if they were in surplus of calories, they would probably only gain intestinal muscle.
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Are. You. Fucking. Kidding. Me.
So people with naturally high test gain nothing but intestinal muscle if they don't lift? Are you that retarded? Learn the difference between smooth muscle and striated muscle.
Can't believe there's still people out there who think "roidgut" is actually caused by AAS.
naturally high test is never close to the superphysiological amounts of test from a proper cycle. lol.
maybe you're correct that aas dont cause roid gut but there is definitely a noticeable correlation between the two. obviously your intestine muscles need to be strong to process as much food as a pro bodybuilder. what im saying is that roidgut is probably exaggerated in people taking aas that do not lift, which would technically makes sense because even if they aren't using their skeletal muscle, they are still using their intestinal muscles.
there's nothing wrong with being skeptical of what i'm claiming though, because i obviously could be missing something.
and to you other guys, i'd rather believe people educated in the field of biology versus people that are more limited in their general knowledge of the human body.
No there's no correlation at all dude.
smooth muscle does not have androgen receptors. Welp they do but its one of the tissues where androgens don't have any anabolic effect.
The only correlation is because IFBB pros who have the so called gut happen to use a lot of AAS. But the gut is from insulin abuse, not androgen.
Notice the gut was completely absent from professional bodybuilding pre HGH and insulin era.
>intestinal muscles need to be strong to process food
oh my fucking lord
toxic pls go
[QUOTE=Shovelpass;38183684]>intestinal muscles need to be strong to process food
oh my fucking lord[/QUOTE]
you're kinda dumb aren't you?