• Majority of Russian's miss Soviet Union
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[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/5Thv1qj.jpg[/IMG] [QUOTE]A majority of Russians think it's a real shame the USSR isn't around anymore, according to a survey released by Pew Global Research on Thursday. Out of a sample of 1000 people polled last month, 55 percent agreed with the statement that “it is a great misfortune that the Soviet Union no longer exists.” [/QUOTE] [url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/08/soviet-empire-poll_n_5288261.html[/url]
[IMG]http://www.pewglobal.org/files/2014/05/PG-2014-05-08-ukraine-russia-3-06.png[/IMG] Glad to see the Russians celebrating their military might.
" It is a shame we don't have the ability to extract resources and oppress other Slavs through "Unity." " Fuck off with Romanticism if they're serious. Fuck rigged polls if they're not.
[QUOTE=Keyblockor1;44813795]" It is a shame we don't have the ability to extract resources and oppress other Slavs through "Unity." " Fuck off with Romanticism if they're serious. Fuck rigged polls if they're not.[/QUOTE] Probably not rigged, Putin's approval rating is something like 82%
It might be related to the sample size, if they picked a small number of older people from an area which benefited from the Ussr that might account for it.
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;44813831]It might be related to the sample size, if they picked a small number of older people from an area which benefited from the Ussr that might account for it.[/QUOTE] This is a PEW opinion poll. It's accurate, and consistent with earlier results. The majority of Russians miss the USSR.
And they're a bunch of idiots too. Soviet oppression brought about one of the largest death tolls in human history. And these fools want to live under that same oppression again?
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;44813888]And they're a bunch of idiots too. Soviet oppression brought about one of the largest death tolls in human history. And these fools want to live under that same oppression again?[/QUOTE] I doubt you can refer to a whole country as idiots. Better attribute it to skewed stats, old person nostalgia, propaganda and bitterness toward the post breakup state of Russia.
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;44813888]And they're a bunch of idiots too. Soviet oppression brought about one of the largest death tolls in human history. And these fools want to live under that same oppression again?[/QUOTE] Yeah, in the purges in the fucking thirties and fourties. There still was obviously labour camps and shit, but it was a totalitarian state. I want to rephrase that. It's unfair to compare the reign of Stalin to post Stalin leaders of the Soviet union. Did you know the first secretary of the USSR (kind of like the president) actually denounced Stalin as a monster immediately afterwards? Fifties Soviet union was actually quite good. Good scientific progress, good economic growth, excellent heavy industry, then Leonid got into power and kind of stumbled the USSR into stagnation. I'd imagine that a lot of people would want the return of fifties soviet union. The only really bad part about the fifties was the lack of consumer goods. That's because Stalin didn't give a fuck about his people and decided to sink manpower and resources into heavy industry instead of consumer goods.
Well, considering most Russians don't know who built the Berlin wall, this isn't surprising.
[QUOTE=The Aussie;44813989]Yeah, in the purges in the fucking thirties and fourties. There still was obviously labour camps and shit, but it was a totalitarian state. I want to rephrase that. It's unfair to compare the reign of Stalin to post Stalin leaders of the Soviet union. Did you know the first secretary of the USSR (kind of like the president) actually denounced Stalin as a monster immediately afterwards? Fifties Soviet union was actually quite good. Good scientific progress, good economic growth, excellent heavy industry, then Leonid got into power and kind of stumbled the USSR into stagnation. I'd imagine that a lot of people would want the return of fifties soviet union. The only really bad part about the fifties was the lack of consumer goods. That's because Stalin didn't give a fuck about his people and decided to sink manpower and resources into heavy industry instead of consumer goods.[/QUOTE] Well too bad, because America shrieks at the mere mention of Communism of any sort, and most of the non Communist world hated Communists for the most part. So it's a taboo thing now for the Modern age regardless of whether it could have worked better or now.
[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;44814090]Well too bad, because America shrieks at the mere mention of Communism of any sort, and most of the non Communist world hated Communists for the most part. So it's a taboo thing now for the Modern age regardless of whether it could have worked better or now.[/QUOTE] Communism can't work, socialism is where its at. A shame it invokes a similar kind of primal fear in Americans.
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;44814101]Communism can't work, socialism is where its at. A shame it invokes a similar kind of primal fear in Americans.[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure that the majority of Americans think that the two are one and the same.
[QUOTE=Reds;44814171]I'm pretty sure that the majority of Americans think that the two are one and the same.[/QUOTE] Pretty sad that mis-information is purposefully used to prevent a potentially better system being considered.
Well, sure I can't speak for the entire country, but i can speak for myself. I miss the Union, but I miss it's idealized version, without it's bad sides. The matter is, that soviets were wrong in many ways, but ussr's official ideology also had a lot of really good ideas, and they did a lot of awesome things, which can't be said about today's Russia. So, i think we just miss the good sides of the Union (like scientific and engineering achievements), and prefer to forget about it's bad sides. It's not that bad in fact, because it means that people still care about their country, and this "partial memories" thing is a pretty typical trait for all people imo. I mean, we all prefer to remember only good parts of our life.
I can speak from personal experience that, if you say anything about Socialism or try to explain what it actually is to people, you are immediately a monster. It's turning into some Godwin's Law level bullshit. The first person to call the other person a Socialist or a Communist wins the argument. Such is life I guess.
Given all the propaganda that the USSR flooded their media with then and all the propaganda shit Russia floods their media with now, is it really a surprise that a bunch of people miss an ideal that never was but they think they once lived in? [editline]15th May 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;44813888]And they're a bunch of idiots too. Soviet oppression brought about one of the largest death tolls in human history. And these fools want to live under that same oppression again?[/QUOTE] IIRC, Russians had it pretty okay during the USSR in terms of oppression compared to others. We can all say the Soviet Union was 'communist' and 'socialist', etc but in the end, it was de facto the Russian Empire reborn.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;44814248]Given all the propaganda that the USSR flooded their media with then and all the propaganda shit Russia floods their media with now, is it really a surprise that a bunch of people miss an ideal that never was but they think they once lived in? [editline]15th May 2014[/editline] IIRC, Russians had it pretty okay during the USSR in terms of oppression compared to others. We can all say the Soviet Union was 'communist' and 'socialist', etc but in the end, it was de facto the Russian Empire reborn.[/QUOTE] To my knowledge there is nothing stopping an empire from being "socialist"
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;44814270]To my knowledge there is nothing stopping an empire from being "socialist"[/QUOTE] I really think you missed my point.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;44814281]I really think you missed my point.[/QUOTE] Ahh yeah, sorry, I just read empire instead of "russian empire" Apologies.
"Anyone who doesn't regret the passing of the Soviet Union has no heart. Anyone who wants it restored has no brains." Interesting that Putin himself said that.
[QUOTE=Reds;44814171]I'm pretty sure that the majority of Americans think that the two are one and the same.[/QUOTE] That is why Communism will never come to America, and why if you want Socialism to be the oil of the Capitalism machine to make it better, you have to spend years and years explaining the differences to the American people, and make it more friendly. But the problem with THAT is that it would take alot of time, and alot of money. Neither of which the American Government has time for in the face of a shit ton of other problems at the moment.
Democracy was never given a fair chance in Russia. The economy was in shambles after the Soviet Union fell apart, no way a healthy democratic mindset was going to build up during those times. Now they're stuck with their current one-party bullshit.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;44813789][IMG]http://www.pewglobal.org/files/2014/05/PG-2014-05-08-ukraine-russia-3-06.png[/IMG] Glad to see the Russians celebrating their military might.[/QUOTE]And yet they wonder why non-Russians in countries directly bordering them are so eager to join the EU and NATO instead.
[QUOTE=Clavus;44814399]Democracy was never given a fair chance in Russia. The economy was in shambles after the Soviet Union fell apart, no way a healthy democratic mindset was going to build up during those times. Now they're stuck with their current one-party bullshit.[/QUOTE] Because democracy should never be implemented over-night. It should instead be a gradual shift spanning over decades and generations, so that the implementation doesn't just end with a political slogan change and nothing else. The people themselves need to believe in democracy first. Which is not the case in Russia.
Well this all just got a shade darker, and more nerve-wracking.
[QUOTE=laserguided;44813849]This is a PEW opinion poll. It's accurate, and consistent with earlier results. The majority of Russians miss the USSR.[/QUOTE] Accurate? They only polled 1000 people, and even then only 55% agreed.
[QUOTE=BlackRainbow;44814486]Accurate? They only polled 1000 people, and even then only 55% agreed.[/QUOTE]1000 people is a large enough sample size to get an acceptable margin of error, if you do it right. There's a reason statistics is a science rather than a useless collection of anecdotes and gut feelings. The source of the survey has more results (some of them rather worrying tbh), and on the last page explains the method and shows margins of error. [url]http://www.pewglobal.org/2014/05/08/chapter-3-russia-public-backs-putin-crimeas-secession/[/url] [editline]15th May 2014[/editline] It also explains the Soviet Union nostalgia in greater detail. [quote]Nostalgia for the Soviet era is particularly common among older Russians. About seven-in-ten Russians age 50 and older (71%) characterize the end of the Soviet Union as a great misfortune, compared with 46% of people ages 30 to 49 and 40% of those under 30.[/quote]
[QUOTE=BlackRainbow;44814486]Accurate? They only polled 1000 people, and even then only 55% agreed.[/QUOTE] Statistics actually work like that, but I do agree that sample size seems low for the population they're representing. I'm far from a statistician, but it seems like you would need a much bigger number to confirm accuracy on a population like Russia's.
Most of the Russian population is anti-Semite, racist and paranoid. If somehow Soviet Union reboots and tries to occupy my country, i would rather die resisting than living in it or somewhere else.
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