• Has America and Russia's relationship been better or worse since the fall of the wall?
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I bring this up because I've heard some people including my folks say that Russia ain't no better since the wall fell, what with Putin's bashing of Gay rights, the imprisonment of that one band, and Putin's "reelection". And besides major politics I also see a that there is a trend of thought towards Russian people, what with plenty of dash cam vids, and Russians in video games. I ask mostly Russians, but I also ask others, Have things gotten better between the two former Cold War enemies, or no?
I'm not a big fan of Americans. I come from Russia and dash cams are pretty important to not get scammed by your insurance company and it acts as a safety net to see who is the faulty driver incase there is a car accident. I hate "Russian terrorists" in video games because it's overly mainstream and doesn't make too much sense to me. EDIT: Removed last part and made a few changes. It didn't really make a lot of sense, excuse me. What I meant to say was that America is on equal footing I guess when it comes to being "evil" or "bad" if not even more. That is ofcourse my opinion but you can't really say one is more evil or bad than the other.
It's questionable. You could say that in the decade after the collapse of the union, they had a very one directional relationship so to speak and Russia more or less retreated on all fronts. But recently, mostly in the past five years, they've been starting to be more active and actually very successful in their activities. I've got a feeling that russia is making quite a few US analysts nervous.
I spent a month in America and wasn't called a traitor and ordered to be executed the moment I step foot in Russia. Things are definitely better.
[QUOTE=Ganzoki;43631895]america is twice as evil invading other countries for that sweet oil.[/QUOTE] That's a huge over simplification.
We don't have nuclear bomb drills in our schools anymore, that is also evidence that things are better now.
[QUOTE=Blazyd;43632842]That's a huge over simplification.[/QUOTE] It's not even a simplification, it's an outright falsity.
[QUOTE=Ganzoki;43631895]america is twice as evil invading other countries for that sweet oil.[/QUOTE] Well, Afghanistan has no oil to speak of, and the price of gas shot up here in America during the Iraq war, so I don't think that oil had much to do with it. Not that this is the point of the debate in this thread.
[QUOTE=_Kent_;43632935]Well, Afghanistan has no oil to speak of, and the price of gas shot up here in America during the Iraq war, so I don't think that oil had much to do with it. Not that this is the point of the debate in this thread.[/QUOTE] Yeah, I should have pointed out, let's not go into simplification crap like "AMERICA IS A GREEDY CAPITALIST OIL THIRSTY NATION." or "DEM DAMN COMMIES ARE GONNA MAKE A GOSH DERN COMBACK GOD BLEES AMERICA". We're discussing the current relations, in both politics, and people, of two former rivals, in the 22 years since Both the fall of Communism, and the Berlin Wall.
American mass media has been targeting Russia in the last few years, especially now that the Olympics are there, but considering there is still freedom to travel between the two countries its still better by miles than the way it was in the cold war. Speaking of which, do Russian news networks try to demonize America the way Fox News does to Russia? I would assume so based on the second post in this thread but maybe I'm wrong.
[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;43633021]Yeah, I should have pointed out, let's not go into simplification crap like "AMERICA IS A GREEDY CAPITALIST OIL THIRSTY NATION." or "DEM DAMN COMMIES ARE GONNA MAKE A GOSH DERN COMBACK GOD BLEES AMERICA". We're discussing the current relations, in both politics, and people, of two former rivals, in the 22 years since Both the fall of Communism, and the Berlin Wall.[/QUOTE] My bad. The relations seem pretty calm I guess, but I don't know what Russia does that makes America or the rest of the world nervous. [QUOTE=_Kent_;43633070]American mass media has been targeting Russia in the last few years, especially now that the Olympics are there, but considering there is still freedom to travel between the two countries its still better by miles than the way it was in the cold war. Speaking of which, do Russian news networks try to demonize America the way Fox News does to Russia? I would assume so based on the second post in this thread but maybe I'm wrong.[/QUOTE] Flipping between the Russian channels you won't really find anything demonizing or degrading about other countries, from my experience. I haven't seen something like "murica consists of evil capitalists".
[QUOTE=Ganzoki;43631895]I hate "Russian terrorists" in video games because it's overly mainstream and doesn't make too much sense to me.[/QUOTE] I always felt that this was because the USA and USSR had one of the most interesting country rivalries. From the space race-to-proxy wars-to being simultaneous superpowers (among other things as being effectively West vs East and Capitalism vs Communism), Russia and America went at it against and allied with each other in a variety of ways and this made for interesting fictional premises before the latter's fall. With there only being one superpower at the moment, nothing has really filled the gap of America vs. X in a rivalry fashion where America felt like it had to be on the defensive (i.e. during the Cuban Missle Crisis). The Middle East, North Korea and China don't really match this in that regard: none are currently coming anywhere close to the influence the USSR had. Because of this, developers tend to glorify the US v USSR aspects and with a far larger amount of developers being American (compared to Russian), the games tend to be lopsided in favor of the United States of America. As far as dashcams though, I feel they should be mandatory here too. [QUOTE=Ganzoki;43633266]My bad. The relations seem pretty calm I guess, but I don't know what Russia does that makes America or the rest of the world nervous.[/QUOTE] A lot of people kind of find Russia to be the "unknown" factor. Within a decade it has the potential to remain the same as now or rise to be the second superpower again. Plus, of the major political influences, Russia has shown to be one of the most interested in growing, especially in regards to Georgia (South Ossetia in particular).
i would say right now on the international front there are really 3 countries able to at least influence events internationally, those being russia, and america and to a lesser extent china. over here i would say the media likes to sensationalize the relationship between us and russia but i think most of what goes on is just posturing for the cameras, what happens behind closed doors is probably much more friendlier than what the media shows. i mean last year durring the election season putin and obama were caught on an active mike talking friendly with each other. how this changes with the change of president being in 2 years idk but i think there needs to be more international colaberation on symbolic projects than what currently there is. what i think the problem is at least with me, russia seems corrupt and authoritarian compared to over here, and our politicians like to gloat about being better while our goverment is barely more functional. also people here seem to forget russia is largely very traditional and rural and they are dealing with a massive infusion of western culture and they are reacting like many places here in america have with the same changes. i guess id like to say behind closed doors our two countries are probably very close, not allies per say but able to work out problems. in front of cameras we all like to do a bit of posturing to impress our electorate. the only real problem i guess is that we both dissagree on what to do when it comes to civil wars or what to do internationally
I think we're friendlier now, but we just have our differences when it comes to the third world. Like what's going on in Syria.
I'm from Russia but been living in Canada since I was 5. [QUOTE=Ezhik;43632703]I spent a month in America and wasn't called a traitor and ordered to be executed the moment I step foot in Russia. Things are definitely better.[/QUOTE] It's very true and relevant. Not spying on each other is a big indicator of where things are at, if you ask me 0.0 Having said that, it obviously got better, but there are still some chilly elements to it. You must not forget that they are both some of the biggest powers today. Now I'm not saying that the biggest powers are always destined to be scrappy toward one another, but knowing the human way, that's what is going to happen most of the time. Also, given that pretty much all of the most powerful countries on this planet are trying to fuck each other rather than helping, I think both Russia and USA are extremely retarded in that sense... [editline]12th February 2014[/editline] Also, I forgot to mention that to me, a part of the cold war still resides in the way the coalitions are today. Take a look at NATO and that other bricksquad that Russia is putting together (I forget the name). A bunch of 5 year-olds in a playground if you ask me.. just replace the sticks with nukes (not good).
This thread is kind of old, but since it got bumped and this hasn't been answered. [QUOTE=_Kent_;43633070] Speaking of which, do Russian news networks try to demonize America the way Fox News does to Russia? I would assume so based on the second post in this thread but maybe I'm wrong.[/QUOTE] As much as I'd hate to admit it, they do. Channel One, Russia 1, NTV are all state-owned netwroks, and they all often go out of their way to show USA in a bad light. It's kind of more subtle than Fox News, and they're very-very careful about the mix of truths and lies in their slander, but it's still pretty obvious what they're trying to convey. NTV is best of the three, they're a lot more independent in what they can show, so they ignore most of the crude and shitty propaganda. The focus of the propaganda here is not USA, suprisingly, USA is just ONE of the main adversaries, other than that its the whole "western world" that wants our blood.
I think while it looks friendler publicly, it's probably still about the same politically, though that's basing off the fact that both sides still have people in office from the Cold War
[QUOTE=Medevila;43882712]The Kremlin is more interested in turning the narrative away from the harsh economic environment so that the current leadership can keep its grip. It makes monsters out of everything from the west to homosexuals. [/QUOTE] Yup, that's the sole reason for that. But then again, every kind of propaganda has this exact purpose. Look there, there're enemies, watch them. Don't watch us. We're your friends.
I don't think an assessment can be made without a significant understanding of the past and what is actually occurring in the present. I saw a mention that espionage has been curtailed, which isn't true. Not three years ago a an extremely high profile case of Anna Chapman and nine others arrested in NYC as agents in the "Illegals Program". A continuing operation originally started by the PGU (First Chief Directorate) of the KGB ( Committee for State Security) and continued by the SVR (Foreign Intelligence Service). Each of the ten was under NOC working as sleeper agents for the Russian Federation. Politically Russia has been restructured, but that hasn't stopped former Soviet hardliners (Putin, who incidentally was KGB and an agent in both the Second and First Decorates which were counter-intelligence and foreign espionage, respectively) securing positions of control. Just because a nation becomes a "federation" and "constitutional republic" (i.e. Rome) doesn't mean it is anything of the such. Russia has also been actively trying to reacquire lost territories, such as it's Arctic-bases. In addition to reinforcing it's influence in other nations Libya, Syria, Iran, ect... Lets also not forget the stand off between US Naval Forces and Russian Federation Naval Forces over the US naval build-up in the Med during Libyan Civil War. Russia saw that action as a direct threat to it's Black Sea Fleet naval base at Tartus, Syria.
It's far better now. The united states have stricter "Homophobic laws" than russia. The media is critizing Russia for its supposed "hate laws" so people will blindly reject their support of syria so the US can go into another war.
I thought it was well-known that most Americans couldn't give less crap about northern European countries, or Russia, etc.
Better, we're both no longer actively trying to one-up the other on how many times we could destroy the world.
cheeki breeki
Better. But we both have problems and stick our dicks in places it don't belong. Also were both run by puppeteers. [sp]Wake up sheeple /joke[/sp]
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