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[quote]Nova Scotia’s restaurant industry is reeling from a “knee-jerk” decision by federal Employment Minister Jason Kenney to immediately ban food services from the Temporary Foreign Worker Program.
“What Mr. Kenny literally is doing is punishing the wrong people,” Gordon Stewart, executive director of the Restaurant Association of Nova Scotia, said in an interview Friday.[/quote]
So basically buisnesses like mcdonalds and Tims started bringing in people from the Philippines to flip burgers and make coffee instead of paying locals.
That's quite the extreme move... Totally unexpected.
Quite a good move, total abuse of the program.
Literally every worker at the Subway here is foreign. Save for like 3
Somehow I doubt this is going to lead to an influx of home grown fry guys on the fast food chains' payroll. A lot of people view service and semi-skilled labor as demeaning or an initial option to keep themselves in work until they find something better. Give jobs to the people who're going to actually stick on and continue in said job, instead of banning foreign workers outright under the temporary worker program. In the end, it doesn't really matter who's working the jobs, there's always more workers than jobs these days to begin with. Knee-jerk reactions instead of trying to make more jobs aren't helping matters.
[quote]“We have restaurants literally in a critical condition out there desperate for people to work in kitchens that we cannot find locally at all — locally or nationally,” Stewart said.
“If there is anybody with any slight experience at all that wants a job in a kitchen, they’ve got it, period. If they’re breathing, they’ll get a job.”[/quote]
He's pretty much risking putting people out of business.
Our foreign worker plan works like this, If you cant get a guy in the country with the training to do the work, you can bring one in. Problem was, places like mcdonalds were saying they needed to bring in trained burger flippers and french fryers to make their food.
Up here in Nova Scotia, our economy is shit. Really shit. What these businesses were doing was creating a hole in our economy, where they would take our money, but all the money they paid out to employees was leaving the country and heading straight to the Philippines. I know people who were denied jobs at places as simple as Tims because their time tables were full. Who was working there? some foreign dude
It's not so much about the workers so much as it is about saving what little is left of our money. If they were hiring foreign workers to support their business, chances are our economy wasn't benefiting that much anyways. Even at our 15% tax rate we were still losing mad money on this
Where I live a ton of the people working in places like Subway and KFC are from the Philippines, but they all live in the city and eventually become Canadian citizens. Not that it would matter, they work 3x as hard as anyone else and do an excellent job, plus they are really friendly most of the time.
the issue isnt with people immigrating in, it's the temporary workers that are hurting. The ones that work a job here but send the money overseas back home to their family.
It's a seriously huge problem to the point where illegal workers have a monopoly on things like port and shipping and trucking.
[QUOTE=Smeetin;44659872]Where I live a ton of the people working in places like Subway and KFC are from the Philippines, but they all live in the city and eventually become Canadian citizens. Not that it would matter, they work 3x as hard as anyone else and do an excellent job, plus they are really friendly most of the time.[/QUOTE]
Lots of reasons, low-skill Canadians such as teenagers don't have anywhere to work because immigrants take their jobs. The problem with these temporary worker programs is that if they get fired they get deported, meaning they work inhumanely hard not to lose their jobs. They work for no overtime, no benefits, don't report violations etc. It's a slow degradation of workers rights.
Not to mention a lot of the time it just channels money back to whichever country they came from. The program shouldn't be allowed to exist because it doesn't serve good to the greater Canadian public.
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[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;44659576]Somehow I doubt this is going to lead to an influx of home grown fry guys on the fast food chains' payroll. A lot of people view service and semi-skilled labor as demeaning or an initial option to keep themselves in work until they find something better. Give jobs to the people who're going to actually stick on and continue in said job, instead of banning foreign workers outright under the temporary worker program. In the end, it doesn't really matter who's working the jobs, there's always more workers than jobs these days to begin with. Knee-jerk reactions instead of trying to make more jobs aren't helping matters.[/QUOTE]
Teenagers take these jobs, it's extremely hard to take a job as a teenager because foreign workers now take all the jobs.
We shouldn't virtually allow slave labor just because people aren't willing to take these jobs. If nobody wants to work at McDonalds maybe McDonalds should pay a competitive wage instead of trying to cheat labor laws.
yeah fuckin ferners takin our jerbs goddamned filipinos don't need no money am I right brothers?
I just heard about this last night, and it directly affects people I work with. They are the hardest working, and least deserving of this horribly ignorant move ever. If this moves forward, someone better pay for this, and it better not be them.
[QUOTE=proboardslol;44660296]yeah fuckin ferners takin our jerbs goddamned filipinos don't need no money am I right brothers?[/QUOTE]
If you know nothing of the situation up here ye that's what it looks like.
It's not what it looks like
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;44659982]Lots of reasons, low-skill Canadians such as teenagers don't have anywhere to work because immigrants take their jobs. The problem with these temporary worker programs is that if they get fired they get deported, meaning they work inhumanely hard not to lose their jobs. They work for overtime, no benefits, don't report violations etc. It's a slow degradation of workers rights.
Not to mention a lot of the time it just channels money back to whichever country they came from. The program shouldn't be allowed to exist because it doesn't serve good to the greater Canadian public.
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Teenagers take these jobs, it's extremely hard to take a job as a teenager because foreign workers now take all the jobs.
We shouldn't virtually allow slave labor just because people aren't willing to take these jobs. If nobody wants to work at McDonalds maybe McDonalds should pay a competitive wage instead of trying to cheat labor laws.[/QUOTE]
But here it isn't a program, its just a ton of people immigrating. For years we had a HUGE influx of Paraguayans and Germans, and now we have TONS of Filipinos and East Indians coming in.
[QUOTE=Smeetin;44660950]But here it isn't a program, its just a ton of people immigrating. For years we had a HUGE influx of Paraguayans and Germans, and now we have TONS of Filipinos and East Indians coming in.[/QUOTE]
Ye but we also have an immigration program
[QUOTE=A_Pigeon;44659506][URL="http://thechronicleherald.ca/business/1203048-ns-restaurant-industry-pans-ban-on-temporary-foreign-workers"]http://thechronicleherald.ca/business/1203048-ns-restaurant-industry-pans-ban-on-temporary-foreign-workers[/URL]
So basically buisnesses like mcdonalds and Tims started bringing in people from the Philippines to flip burgers and make coffee instead of paying locals.[/QUOTE]
This also happens in the UK, takeaways are dominated by Middle-eastern people, independent places like kebabs, pizza, chicken especially but alot of fast food chains like subway, burger king and mac-donalds all have this issue. Cheap labour that don't complain (Barely speak English) that send a majority of their wage home outside of the country.
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[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;44659576]Somehow I doubt this is going to lead to an influx of home grown fry guys on the fast food chains' payroll. A lot of people view service and semi-skilled labor as demeaning or an initial option to keep themselves in work until they find something better. Give jobs to the people who're going to actually stick on and continue in said job, instead of banning foreign workers outright under the temporary worker program. In the end, it doesn't really matter who's working the jobs, there's always more workers than jobs these days to begin with. Knee-jerk reactions instead of trying to make more jobs aren't helping matters.[/QUOTE]
These jobs are best reserved for unskilled labour, flexible part time jobs for people and teenages in\out college. A "Step-Up" job. But that's not what they have become, in the uk at least, it's more so a job all the immigrants take.
[QUOTE=A_Pigeon;44659633]Our foreign worker plan works like this, If you cant get a guy in the country with the training to do the work, you can bring one in. Problem was, places like mcdonalds were saying they needed to bring in trained burger flippers and french fryers to make their food.
Up here in Nova Scotia, our economy is shit. Really shit. What these businesses were doing was creating a hole in our economy, where they would take our money, but all the money they paid out to employees was leaving the country and heading straight to the Philippines. I know people who were denied jobs at places as simple as Tims because their time tables were full. Who was working there? some foreign dude
It's not so much about the workers so much as it is about saving what little is left of our money. If they were hiring foreign workers to support their business, chances are our economy wasn't benefiting that much anyways. Even at our 15% tax rate we were still losing mad money on this[/QUOTE]
Nova Scotia's economy isn't fantastic, but it's definitely not "shit" by any degree.
It's only because the rest of the country is doing so fucking well worldwide that because we're doing average in terms of western economies, it seems terrible.
But I agree, this is the right move, simply because big companies were abusing it.
To be honest I think this is a good thing. Fast food is how most kids get their first work experience, but hiring a bunch of temporary foreign workers makes it that much more difficult for kids to get that work experience they need if they want a not shit job later on.
Even for me, a 20 year old university student, it's hard to get a summer job even with some work experience because most places I applied were more than happy to hire a bunch of Filipinos and East Indians instead of an actual Canadian citizen who needs the money to pay for their education.
I have friends in Ottawa, Canada's fucking capital city of all places, who can't get decent hours (or even a job at all) because of this shit. This is actually a serious problem, considering even a summer of full-time work won't pay a single semester of University. It's extremely important that actual local students get the summer jobs.
[QUOTE=proboardslol;44660296]yeah fuckin ferners takin our jerbs goddamned filipinos don't need no money am I right brothers?[/QUOTE]
I don't think your really understanding what the problem is. That attitude, thankfully, is not very common up here, but when it comes to companies hiring foreigners (who are NOT canadian citizens) instead of canadian citizens (some of which are in fact filipinos - this isn't a race thing), I think it should be expected that Canadian citizens, will not be very pleased. Official immigrants looking for work however, have always been and will always be welcome to become Canadian citizens if they wish to come flip our burgers (or of course take any other job they wish).
The Wal-Mart I work for opted out of the foreign workers program years ago because they could tell it might be problematic. In spite of their other corporate shortfalls I'm willing to bet they are happy they made that decision.
Hell, it's partly the reason why I got my job back.
never knew there was this many nova scotians on here, you guys multiply every year. back in my day there were two including myself
The subway in my small town is almost all Ukrainian females. It's okay though because it's a tough job with shit wage and almost all the other employees are and have been students.
Canadians should get a preference though. Businesses should make a call for Canadian workers before importing them from elsewhere.
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