Scientists Confirm 'Impossible' EM Drive Propulsion
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[QUOTE][url]https://hacked.com/scientists-confirm-impossible-em-drive-propulsion/[/url][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Later today, July 27, German scientists will present new experimental results on the controversial, "impossible" EM Drive, at the American Institute for Aeronautics and Astronautics' Propulsion and Energy Forum in Orlando. The presentation is titled "Direct Thrust Measurements of an EmDrive and Evaluation of Possible Side-Effects."
Presenter Martin Tajmar is a professor and chair for Space Systems at the Dresden University of Technology, interested in space propulsion systems and breakthrough propulsion physics[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]"Some damage to our theories of physics is an acceptable payoff if we get a working space drive," concludes the Wired article."[/QUOTE]
So, i think we just broke some laws in physics. Johnnymo1 get in here.
:johnnymo1:
:johnnymo1:
[QUOTE=LittleBabyman;48308295]:johnnymo1:[/QUOTE]Since when did that become an emoticon?
[QUOTE=Sgt Doom;48308298]Since when did that become an emoticon?[/QUOTE]
There should be a thing when you use the emoticon, Johnnymo1 gets a notification from it.
We need to go deeper into this, figure out what's letting it do this or what possible errors could be happening.
[editline]27th July 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Deathtrooper2;48308303]There should be a thing when you use the emoticon, Johnnymo1 gets a notification from it.[/QUOTE]
Nah let's not, it'd drive the poor man nuts.
Assuming that hasn't already happened.
[QUOTE=ironman17;48308312]We need to go deeper into this, figure out what's letting it do this or what possible errors could be happening.
[editline]27th July 2015[/editline]
Nah let's not, it'd drive the poor man nuts.
Assuming that hasn't already happened.[/QUOTE]
Good point...
[QUOTE=ironman17;48308312]We need to go deeper into this, figure out what's letting it do this or what possible errors could be happening.[/QUOTE]
I say we just say "Fuck it." And toss the thing in everything we can. And if we accidentally tear a tunnel in to hell or something, well, that's just part of the process.
So what does this mean? FTL travel or what? I don't know much about advanced science, and I usually don't care but I suppose for the sake of asking I will inquire.
:snip:
Poor Johhny, I imagine his email box must be atleast 50% from FP.
Also I think I can clarify something, if I understand correctly, current theory says that the drive is not possible but it is confirmed, that is possible. This will damage (upgrade) theory since it will need new measures, new math/physics formulas to complete theory.
Physics:
By this technology, it is possible to convert electricity to actual physical/Newtoon force (thrust).
It uses similiar technology that is used inside Microwaves (Magnetron) - microwave radiation. By interference of those waves it is possible to make thrusting force.
I hope I understood everything correctly, this post is not completely legitimate.
[QUOTE=TheNerdPest14;48308362]So what does this mean? FTL travel or what? I don't know much about advanced science, and I usually don't care but I suppose for the sake of asking I will inquire.[/QUOTE]Nope, just regular propulsion with a much more convenient fuel source i.e. not having to lug around tons of chemical fuel.
This source is kinda biased, so I doubt there will be anything momentous in this. Here's what I mean:
[quote]Shawyer has often been dismissed by the research establishment for not having peer-reviewed scientific publications, but White and Tajmar have impeccable credentials that put them beyond cheap dismissal and scorn.[/quote]
I don't know about Tajmar but Sonny White is getting laughed at for this. As plenty of actually decent physicists have pointed out, the "quantum vacuum virtual plasma" isn't a thing. It's meaningless word salad.
Eliminating sources of error is great, but it's going to take a long time before we have a working theoretical model that actually tells us that it's possible to violate momentum conservation like people are hoping it does. I have almost 0% confidence they will manage to do that because momentum conservation is very well tested, but if we don't get a non-garbage theoretical model, we could well spend a bunch of money to send up a probe only to find that the EM Drive is expending propellant in some unexpected way.
[QUOTE=TheNerdPest14;48308362]So what does this mean? FTL travel or what? I don't know much about advanced science, and I usually don't care but I suppose for the sake of asking I will inquire.[/QUOTE]
Thrust without having to bring/eject propellant. IIRC the thrust is beyond tiny, like fractions of a millinewton or something.
[QUOTE]"Some damage to our theories of physics is an acceptable payoff if we get a working space drive"[/QUOTE]
That's a very unscientific thing to say.
[QUOTE]"Additional tests need to be carried out to study the magnetic interaction of the power feeding lines used for the liquid metal contacts," conclude the researchers. "Nevertheless, we do observe thrusts close to the magnitude of the actual predictions after eliminating many possible error sources that should warrant further investigation into the phenomena.[/QUOTE]
Looks they're still not done testing this. Interesting nevertheless.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;48308352]I say we just say "Fuck it." And toss the thing in everything we can. And if we accidentally tear a tunnel in to hell or something, well, that's just part of the process.[/QUOTE]
I'll take a skateboard with an EM rocket strapped to it
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;48308352]I say we just say "Fuck it." And toss the thing in everything we can. And if we accidentally tear a tunnel in to hell or something, well, that's just part of the process.[/QUOTE]
If it rips open a portal to Hell I wouldn't worry too much. It'd give us a greater insight into other dimensions AND we'd probably just invade and annex a bunch of their kingdoms.
Either way, I'm hoping these results are legit.
Maybe it just requires correct design for correct resonance, just like with Tesla coils at specific frequency to maximize it's thrust. Because if it is 0.00001% efficient, that would suck, but something like 10% efficiency could do some small satellites wonder.
The important part is this
[quote]"Additional tests need to be carried out to study the magnetic interaction of the power feeding lines used for the liquid metal contacts," conclude the researchers. "Nevertheless, we do observe thrusts close to the magnitude of the actual predictions after eliminating many possible error sources that should warrant further investigation into the phenomena. Next steps include better magnetic shielding, further vacuum tests and improved EMDrive models with higher Q factors and electronics that allow tuning for optimal operation."[/quote]
so to sum up the previous situation
- There's some theory a lot of scientists dismisses as impossible bullshit, some believe it should work
- in 2014 NASA's Eagleworks laboratory did some experiments which did imply it somehow actually works, they have been largely dismissed as hacks who probably fucked the experiments up and/or skewered them on purpose
now, current situation
[B]
- Another independent laboratory in Germany repeated the experiments with more precision and eliminating some of the possible insufficiencies in them that could have led to misleading result and got positive answer again - it again seems to work, even though they themselves state it's [highlight]still not enough to be sure[/highlight][/B]
so, :hypeisreal:, the chances of this being a real thing went up a notch, but it doesn't guarantee anything yet
I dont know what is more interesting about this.
We created a very efficient propulsion system for space. :joy:
Or we just broke physics. :mindblown:
Well they don't know how it works so there is only left testing and fucking around and figure out formulas until it "clicks" and we have theory
[QUOTE=Deathtrooper2;48308526]I dont know what is more interesting about this.
We created a very efficient propulsion system for space.
Or we just broke physics.
Actually hoping for both.[/QUOTE]
We have created anything yet. There's just further evidence to imply that we're on the right track.
Save that kind of hype for the unveil of an actual EM drive.
not saying this isn't anything to be excited about.
[QUOTE=Deathtrooper2;48308526]I dont know what is more interesting about this.
We created a very efficient propulsion system for space. :joy:
Or we just broke physics. :mindblown:[/QUOTE]
Or we didn't do anything at all?
We dream and anything we dream of, we can make it real (sort of).
Okay, the article mentions that they want to run better tests, but they fail to mention this about the test that was run:
[quote]Besides being tested horizontally in both directions on the torsion pendulum, the cavity was also set upwards as a "null" configuration. However, this vertical test intended to be the experimental control showed an anomalous thrust of hundreds of micronewtons that could be caused by a magnetic interaction with the power feeding lines going to and from liquid metal contacts in the setup.[/quote]
20 micronewtons were measured, so the error sources are apparently more than 5x as strong as the "result."
[QUOTE=Deathtrooper2;48308284]So, i think we just broke some laws in physics.[/QUOTE]
no, unless they tested the entire rig in a vacuum chamber, its still going to produce thrust from tiny imperfections, the bigger problem i have with the EM drive is because its basically a specially shaped magnetron, radar stations should be flying away because they're basically the same but much more powerful
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;48308726]Okay, the article mentions that they want to run better tests, but they fail to mention this about the test that was run:
20 micronewtons were measured, so the error sources are apparently more than 5x as strong as the "result."[/QUOTE]
Errors 5 times as large as the result itself?
Wow, that's pretty.. pretty hilarious
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;48308726]Okay, the article mentions that they want to run better tests, but they fail to mention this about the test that was run:
20 micronewtons were measured, so the error sources are apparently more than 5x as strong as the "result."[/QUOTE]
"could"
They didn't say it was. They said it could be.
[QUOTE=TheNerdPest14;48308362]So what does this mean? FTL travel or what? I don't know much about advanced science, and I usually don't care but I suppose for the sake of asking I will inquire.[/QUOTE]
if the EM drive is real we just invented star trek's impulse drive pretty much
[QUOTE=deadoon;48308870]"could"
They didn't say it was. They said it could be.[/QUOTE]
But it doesn't matter what it's caused by? It's still unexpected anomalous thrust that's way more than the actual measured effect. Whether or not it's caused by what they think it is is immaterial.
[QUOTE=Deathtrooper2;48308303]There should be a thing when you use the emoticon, Johnnymo1 gets a notification from it.[/QUOTE]
He already does. Because the emoticon call uses the text "johnnymo1", it appears as a mention on his Ticker.
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